Offseason Thread part 2

[Chutiwannee 116]

I think restructuring Gilbert is bad unless there is no Amnesty Clause. Let's look at the two scenarios.

 

No Amnesty Clause:

-Gilbert opts out and Otis backs out of his deal to restructure and Gilbert is SOL.

-Gilbert opts out and we restructure his contract to 4-5 years $40M back loaded. We save about $12-14M in the summer of 2012 but we still are over the cap and unless we bring in expirings we are most likely over the cap.

-Otis calls dwight into his office and tells him that this season isn't going to be the one that wins him a title but he is clearing cap space for the Summer of 2012 so Dwight can recruit any player/players he wants to be a part of the Magic. Trade Nelson and Bass for expirings contracts. Attempt to trade Turkoglu for any kind of expiring contract (hardest thing to do in this scenario however I think we would all be willing to take Grant Hill's ankle on an expiring contract if we could shed Turk). Gilbert restructures for 4-5 years $40M back loaded with team option for final year saving the Magic $12-14M for the summer of 2012. If necessary waive J.J. Redick cutting another $6M off the books. All in all in this scenario if everything except Hedo getting traded goes through the Magic should reduce salaries going into the summer of 2012 by about $30M. If Hedo can get moved we cut up to $41M. Dwight calls his best friends who hate the Heat and we crush Lebron's dreams.

 

Amnesty Clause:

-Axe Gilbert immedietly. Cutting $20M would help us start shedding contracts for the summer of 2012. Hedo only has one more big year at $11.8M and then his final year he either gets $5M or $7M. Either way Hedo at 2 years and $18M at the most is better than 4-5 years of Gilbert at $40M. This makes sense for both the short and long term. Turkoglu could even become a trade piece in the 2013-14 season.

 

Far-fetched perfect scenario idea with Amnesty Clause that isn't that crazy of an idea:

Trade Arenas to a team before the 2011-12 season starts for expiring contracts allowing that team to Amnesty Gilbert saving them $20M and giving us expiring contracts. For instance Gilbert for Andre Miller and Camby; any kind of deal that helps another team shed salary immedietly and gives us expirings at the end of the year. We could then Amnesty Turkoglu and have no bad contracts on our books. We could then move Nelson for a defensive minded SG or SF (Nelson to the Rockets for CLee and Brad Miller anyone?).

 

 

Cool story bro... Too bad otis smith isnt reading that..and you wasted 30 minutes of your life typing this up

[otis_smith 15]

I think restructuring Gilbert is bad unless there is no Amnesty Clause. Let's look at the two scenarios.

 

No Amnesty Clause:

-Gilbert opts out and Otis backs out of his deal to restructure and Gilbert is SOL.

-Gilbert opts out and we restructure his contract to 4-5 years $40M back loaded. We save about $12-14M in the summer of 2012 but we still are over the cap and unless we bring in expirings we are most likely over the cap.

-Otis calls dwight into his office and tells him that this season isn't going to be the one that wins him a title but he is clearing cap space for the Summer of 2012 so Dwight can recruit any player/players he wants to be a part of the Magic. Trade Nelson and Bass for expirings contracts. Attempt to trade Turkoglu for any kind of expiring contract (hardest thing to do in this scenario however I think we would all be willing to take Grant Hill's ankle on an expiring contract if we could shed Turk). Gilbert restructures for 4-5 years $40M back loaded with team option for final year saving the Magic $12-14M for the summer of 2012. If necessary waive J.J. Redick cutting another $6M off the books. All in all in this scenario if everything except Hedo getting traded goes through the Magic should reduce salaries going into the summer of 2012 by about $30M. If Hedo can get moved we cut up to $41M. Dwight calls his best friends who hate the Heat and we crush Lebron's dreams.

 

Amnesty Clause:

-Axe Gilbert immedietly. Cutting $20M would help us start shedding contracts for the summer of 2012. Hedo only has one more big year at $11.8M and then his final year he either gets $5M or $7M. Either way Hedo at 2 years and $18M at the most is better than 4-5 years of Gilbert at $40M. This makes sense for both the short and long term. Turkoglu could even become a trade piece in the 2013-14 season.

 

Far-fetched perfect scenario idea with Amnesty Clause that isn't that crazy of an idea:

Trade Arenas to a team before the 2011-12 season starts for expiring contracts allowing that team to Amnesty Gilbert saving them $20M and giving us expiring contracts. For instance Gilbert for Andre Miller and Camby; any kind of deal that helps another team shed salary immedietly and gives us expirings at the end of the year. We could then Amnesty Turkoglu and have no bad contracts on our books. We could then move Nelson for a defensive minded SG or SF (Nelson to the Rockets for CLee and Brad Miller anyone?).

You seem to forget even with an amnesty clause the player is still owed his salary. This is being completely overlooked here.

[tkranole 19]

You seem to forget even with an amnesty clause the player is still owed his salary. This is being completely overlooked here.

 

 

Not overlooked at all. $60M is a lot of money but look who is fronting the bill on this one, Amway. That billion dollar corporation who just built a brand new $500M Arena for the Magic. Not to mention that if we didn't amnesty Gilbert we will have a VERY hard time putting a team around Dwight. If Dwight leaves the Magic will lose out on a lot more than $60M in the next 3 years. On the other hand keeping Dwight in Orlando, bringing in CP3/D-Will and challenging for NBA titles and probably winning one would easily cover the costs of buying out Arenas. You take the $20M each year for the next 3 year hit so that you can compete for titles which keeps ticket sales up, sponsors flowing in and revenues high.

[NittanyBuc 757]

It's true. I posted the rumor and I read it on the Bulls' realgm board. Apparently, Houston made an offer and Chicago countered. Their counter was to include Budinger to the already proposed Lee. We'll see what happens. Hopefully we get him first.

I'm not denying it, I'm just saying that I haven't heard anything.

 

Tom Thibodeau will love C Lee and groom him to be a great defender

[Secretly Space Jesus 670]

I don't remember Dirk b*tching last year when his team got knocked out in the first round 3 out of 4 years. He signed a new contract almost immediately.

 

Dirk waited until he was a free agent to make sure that his team's ownership surrounded him with talent to win a title before he resigned with the team.

 

When he felt that the team had loaded up on enough talent to win, he immediately signed a new contract.

 

That's the exact thing Dwight is doing now, that you're *****ing about.

 

 

 

[zORi22 8]

Not overlooked at all. $60M is a lot of money but look who is fronting the bill on this one, Amway. That billion dollar corporation who just built a brand new $500M Arena for the Magic. Not to mention that if we didn't amnesty Gilbert we will have a VERY hard time putting a team around Dwight. If Dwight leaves the Magic will lose out on a lot more than $60M in the next 3 years. On the other hand keeping Dwight in Orlando, bringing in CP3/D-Will and challenging for NBA titles and probably winning one would easily cover the costs of buying out Arenas. You take the $20M each year for the next 3 year hit so that you can compete for titles which keeps ticket sales up, sponsors flowing in and revenues high.

 

..........It doesn't quite work that way.

[NittanyBuc 757]

Not sure why, but I'm kinda preparing myself for Dwight leaving. Hell, I'm even trying him in the Trade Machine :svgsad:

[BMP 424]

Not overlooked at all. $60M is a lot of money but look who is fronting the bill on this one, Amway. That billion dollar corporation who just built a brand new $500M Arena for the Magic. Not to mention that if we didn't amnesty Gilbert we will have a VERY hard time putting a team around Dwight. If Dwight leaves the Magic will lose out on a lot more than $60M in the next 3 years. On the other hand keeping Dwight in Orlando, bringing in CP3/D-Will and challenging for NBA titles and probably winning one would easily cover the costs of buying out Arenas. You take the $20M each year for the next 3 year hit so that you can compete for titles which keeps ticket sales up, sponsors flowing in and revenues high.

 

You did seem to overlook it because you wrote this:

 

Far-fetched perfect scenario idea with Amnesty Clause that isn't that crazy of an idea:

Trade Arenas to a team before the 2011-12 season starts for expiring contracts allowing that team to Amnesty Gilbert saving them $20M and giving us expiring contracts. For instance Gilbert for Andre Miller and Camby; any kind of deal that helps another team shed salary immedietly

 

Why does Portland trade some good trade pieces for. . . cap space that they have to pay for anyways? Is there anyone they're targetting in the 2011 FA that they'd like to grab and that they'd need to cut $20 million for? Wouldn't they be better buying out Miller before June 29th and letting Camby expire in 2012?

 

 

On one hand they could trade Miller and Camby for $20 million in cap space but still have to pay $60 million. On another they could buy out Miller now and pay Camby, who would actually play for them, $11 million for a year. Makes 0 sense for them.

[tkranole 19]

..........It doesn't quite work that way.

 

Why not? He gets paid just like his contract specifies that he gets paid. $19.2, $20.8 and finally $22.3. Another thing to think about is the potential for a soft cap to still be in place and the luxury tax that would come with it. We payed $20M in luxury tax last year for a team that didn't make it out of the 1st round. Save some luxury money by not having such a ridiculous salary on the books and be able to bring a championship contending team to Orlando sounds like a good idea.

[Shock Phantom 263]

Dirk waited until he was a free agent to make sure that his team's ownership surrounded him with talent to win a title before he resigned with the team.

 

When he felt that the team had loaded up on enough talent to win, he immediately signed a new contract.

 

That's the exact thing Dwight is doing now, that you're *****ing about.

Dirk resigned with Dallas before they got Chandler and before they got Peja. Both of them were huge factors to their playoff run. The team he had before he signed was not much better than ours, played horrible in the playoffs, but he didn't leave and complain about his teammates after they got eliminated. Honestly, WHO thought the Mavs had a chance? I'm sure that Dirk would say "I always believe we can win" but they wouldn't have if Dirk hadn't become this huge unstoppable clutch monster, something that Dwight is not. Dwight needs more help than Dirk does.

[DizMei22 0]

maybe this offseason dwight can train with dirk instead

[tkranole 19]

 

Why does Portland trade some good trade pieces for. . . cap space that they have to pay for anyways? Is there anyone they're targetting in the 2011 FA that they'd like to grab and that they'd need to cut $20 million for? Wouldn't they be better buying out Miller before June 29th and letting Camby expire in 2012?

 

 

On one hand they could trade Miller and Camby for $20 million in cap space but still have to pay $60 million. On another they could buy out Miller now and pay Camby, who would actually play for them, $11 million for a year. Makes 0 sense for them.

 

That was merely just an example because there have been lots of people mentioning bringing in Miller/Camby as expiring contracts. I did say far-fetched perfect scenario idea before I went into that scenario. What if there is someone really want to target a guy like Jamaal Crawford, J.R. Smith, Caron Butler, Thadd Young, Aaron Brooks, NeNe or Marc Gasol but they needed to trade away 2-4 players in order to afford one of those guys? Trade away 2-4 players for Arenas so you can amnesty him and bring in a guy that can contribute right away and save some cap space for future free agents. We don't really know what another team may be looking to do and some team may be looking long term and realize that cutting Arenas hurts for the next 3 years but allows them to compete for the next 6 years. I could have said the same thing about trading Turkoglu instead of Arenas away to a team who wants to amnesty clause him. What if Indiana wanted Turk for Granger straight up so they could amnesty Turk? Phoenix trades us Steve Nash and Hakim Warrick for Gilbert? You never know what a team is looking to do and we may offer the right outlet for them in Arenas or Turk if there is an amnesty clause.