The Casey Anthony Trial

[Captain Hi-Top 791]

I know the difference, but it is a reasonable doubt, not no doubt at all. (1) Dr. G a noted Medical Examiner in Orlando area for many years, and higly regarded professional in her field, ruled the death a homicide.

 

Based on no facts gained from the remains, only on observational data from the case/actions of Casey afterwards. There was no proof that a homicide actually occured

 

In my opinon, there is no reasonable explanation for duct tape to be placed on the child's nose and mouth other than to kill her.

You aren't an expert witness on the uses of duct tape, nor could anyone prove that the tape was placed on the child when she was alive.

 

(2) Casey was the last person to be seen with Caylee, and Casey failed to report her disappearance. If one of my daugthers went missing for 5 minutes, I am on the phone with the police.

 

What you would have done doesn't matter. The fact that she didn't report her missing doesn't prove that she killed her, it only shows that she tried to cover up whatever happened.

 

(3) Casey looked up cholfrom, neck breaking, household weapons, shovels, etc.

 

SOMEONE looked up chloroform, but they couldn't prove that it was Casey, nor could they prove that these items contributed to the death of her child.

 

(4) Caylee's body was in Casey truck and in the Anthony's backyard. I am convinced of these because Caylee's hair was found in the trunk To me, there is no other reasonable explanation for hair to in her thrunk. Also, the Dogs got a hit in her trunk and in the backyard. In the state of Florida, motive does need to be established.

 

The (unproven) fact that a body was in both places does not speak to how that person died.

 

 

To me, The Defense's ME was not convincing. He could not remember any major facts of the case, did not even know the anthony's names, could not remember that he broke Caylee's skull during examination. He was rusty and old., and was educated in Palestine which has not been a nation since 1948. There is absolutely no proof that Caylee drown in the family pool. We are to believe that Caylee drown simply because a pathlogical lair said so? In no way do I believe George Anthony covered up the accidential death of Caylee. There is just no evidence. I am convinced beyond doubt that George loved his granddaughter, and would have called 911 in attempt to save Caylee's life. Baez asserted the child got out of the back door in the middle of night, and drown. Why didn't she have her grown on? Why would she dressed for daytime? Why would George spend every dime he had to look for Caylee, if he knew she was dead? Makes no sense at all.

 

The defense had no burden to prove any alternate theory, and quite frankly, they shouldn't have even tried going down that route, but it's hard to argue with the results.

 

I woud not have voted for 1st degree murder, but neglect homicide, child neglect, obstruction of justice and improper disposal of a body. State just did not charge Casey with the appropriate crimes.

 

No proof that a homicide occurred, negligent or deliberate, and no history of neglect that could be demonstrated. She was charged with lying to the Police. She was not charged with improper disposal of a body, but off hand, I don't know that it's illegal in Florida, and if it is, what the penalty entails.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

we really shouldn't be still talking about this.

 

here's all that needs to be said:

 

1. Casey Anthony probably killed her daughter or, at a minimum, was involved with covering up her death. That's just common sense

 

2. The prosecution slacked a little because they thought it was an open and shut case. They over reached their evidence by going straight for a 1st degree murder charge. They couldn't prove cause of death, where the death occurred, and when the death occurred outside of a range of time when she went missing.

 

3. The jury declared her not guilty based on ambiguous testimony and the failure of the prosecution to fulfill their duty of burden of proof.

 

Where should you place your anger?

 

A: On the prosecution who closed their eyes and swung for the fences on a case that lacked convictable evidence.

[AcuWill 45]

I guess I'll comment on a few things...

 

Firstly, the Jewish and Christian god are definitely the same. Though, a Christian would argue that they have a fuller view of God, as the Messianic prophecies (Psalm 22, Isaiah 53, Daniel 7) have been fulfilled in Jesus.

 

When it comes to Muslims, they worship the God of Abraham, and in that sense, they worship the same god. But the characteristics of this god are different than the one worshiped by Jews and Christians. So, it can be argued either way.

 

And as for the Muslims recognizing the Bible, that's not entirely true. They do think that the Bible should be read by Muslims, but because there are some vast differences between the Bible and Quran, the Quran should be taken as Authority and the Bible as reference. They believe that the Bible has been tampered with and can only really be trusted insomuch as it agrees with the Quran (much like the Mormons believe about their books, but I find the god of Islam MUCH more like the Christian god than the god of Mormonism).

 

The Jews and Muslims are both, indeed, Abrahamic. Isaac and Ishmael being the fathers of each, respectively. And Muslims argue that the "prophet" Moses foretold to come after him is Mohammad, whereas, Christians would say that it is Jesus himself.

 

And about the Old Testament laws...

 

Jeremiah 31 promises a New Covenant to be made between God and his people. This covenant is different from the Old Covenant because the Old was for a people of a different time. The Jews were surrounded by enemies who all worshiped different idols. If the laws were not as strict, the Jews would not have kept their god separate from the gods of the people around them. And the harsh laws in the Old Testament were meant to show the difficulty of keeping the Law. It's purpose was to show how hard it is to really be righteous in the eyes of God.

 

The New Testament expands on this. Paul writes in his letter to the Romans that as Christians, we have died to the law. And now we adhere to the Law of Righteousness because the Old is obsolete.

 

Now, I think it would also be proper to mention that the slavery in the Bible is not the slavery that we think of today. It was an indentured servitude, where a person can willfully offer themselves to be a slave to another for an agreed upon period of time. While in servitude, they can then learn skills that would allow them to find employment elsewhere. Some even decide to remain indentured servants because they preferred it.

 

Now, there are also rules within the Bible about how one should treat their slaves. Also, slaves were only allowed to remain indentured for seven years unless they willingly choose to stay. And master's were commanded to give to those slaves that left "freely" from their flock.

 

I didn't know if I wanted to take part in this conversation, but I guess I can at least provide some food for thought from a Christian perspective.

Optimus, thanks for the reply. I would have to say that your view of Islamic belief is very Christian oriented. Jesus is an acknowledged prophet just as Moses, Elijah and Mohammed are. Their view of the Christian scriptures actually coincides very much with the view you expressed of the Hebrew scriptures from a Christian perspective. Actually, all the prophets, including Mohammed, are considered to be equal, Mohammed is simply God's last prophet, therefore he brought God's fullest Word (although they do believe Jesus will be the only prophet to come again, Mohammed is the last "new" one.) Once again, this distinction is many ways is most closely correlated with the distinction you expressed between the Hebrew Word and Christian Word (of course with a dramatic difference in Jesus' role) as seen from a Christian perspective.

 

Further, with regard to what God is worshiped, I can argue that all Christians do not worship the same God either. The God worshiped by Orthodox Churches is vastly different than those by right-wing denominational Christians, with varying differences in the middle.

 

In many ways, the Jesus between (at least Catholics) and a lot of Protestants (at least Presbyterian) is very different also. I had a fairly unique experience of growing up both in a Catholic and Presbyterian religious background simultaneously (I actually attended both Mass and service on the weekends) with no pressures from either direction. The path to salvation and practical application of Jesus' teaching, the experience of Jesus and His focus are entirely different. As you pointed with regard to the Abrahamic God, the characteristics are entirely different and at least as I read your point, therefore the Jesus is different also.

[Secretly Space Jesus 670]

I no longer wish to dicuss this case because it is tragic and upsetting. As to comment about me being a racist is bull. I made reference to Palenstine to show that this gentlemen is somewhat old being that Isreal came into being in 1948. This means he was in college in the 1940's. How can I be certain he is up to date on modern procedures? This guy is at least 84. Yes, I did realize that maybe that more appropriate charges could have been filed on this. A beautiful 2 year old year is dead. People will get emotional over this issue, but can look at things realistically over time. So stop telling me I am wrong for getting emotional and being sad over her death. Are you completely devoid of all human emotions?

 

This case is no more or less tragic than the deaths of thousands of children all over the world.The too-soon death of anyone, child or adult, is a tragedy.

 

However: the death of THIS child is only even relevant to you in any way because the media gave it a platform, and turned it into a sob story. If you want to lecture me about not being sad enough, why don't you look up how many children die in America, or hell even just Baltimore, every goddamn year, and then maybe you'll understand why I've long since moved on emotionally from the death of 1 girl I didn't know who died 3 years ago, just like most sensible people.

[BMP 424]

This case is no more or less tragic than the deaths of thousands of children all over the world.The too-soon death of anyone, child or adult, is a tragedy.

 

However: the death of THIS child is only even relevant to you in any way because the media gave it a platform, and turned it into a sob story. If you want to lecture me about not being sad enough, why don't you look up how many children die in America, or hell even just Baltimore, every goddamn year, and then maybe you'll understand why I've long since moved on emotionally from the death of 1 girl I didn't know who died 3 years ago, just like most sensible people.

 

<insert Joseph Stalin quote here>

[Optimist Prime 197]

 

Hey guys.

 

All of you who asked me questions, I will put my responses in the other thread so that both threads can remain on topic and not get too clogged.

 

I will get to answering all of you, but it may take a while.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

[Wharf Rat 94]

[Trey Time 186]

Didn't want to start a new thread for Clemens, so putting my take here. Our judicial system isn't having their best month.

 

First, you have someone in Casey Anthony who is obviously guilty, but gets off on due to lack of evidence. Then you have Roger Clemens, who is also obviously guilty, who gets off because TOO MUCH evidence is presented. Awesome job judge!

[TheREALBrooksThompson 157]

Then you have Roger Clemens, who is also obviously guilty, who gets off because TOO MUCH evidence is presented. Awesome job judge!

 

That's a pretty bad mischaracterization of what actually happened.

[Wharf Rat 94]

That's a pretty bad mischaracterization of what actually happened.

 

:shard:

 

No kidding, right? If anyone is to blame, its the prosecution.

[Wharf Rat 94]

Casey Anthony's cover has already been blown...she is now living as an african american man in PA.

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/pennsylvania-man-named-casey-anthony-cant-escape-the-1608893.html