Health Care Passed

[Jareth Cutestory 678]

Well, according to some people the world is going to end in 2012, so really this all means nothing.

[Wharf Rat 94]

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened"

 

Norman Thomas (6 time U.S. Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America)

[Franchero MVP 391]

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Originally posted by bigpimpatl:

does anyone actually know what is in the bill? I think that's the more pressing question.

 

WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF ENACTMENT

 

* Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.

* Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.

* Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.

* Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.

* A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.

* Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.

* A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.

* A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.

 

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2011

* Medicare provides 10 percent bonus payments to primary care physicians and general surgeons.

* Medicare beneficiaries will be able to get a free annual wellness visit and personalized prevention plan service. New health plans will be required to cover preventive services with little or no cost to patients.

* A new program under the Medicaid plan for the poor goes into effect in October that allows states to offer home and community based care for the disabled that might otherwise require institutional care.

* Payments to insurers offering Medicare Advantage services are frozen at 2010 levels. These payments are to be gradually reduced to bring them more in line with traditional Medicare.

* Employers are required to disclose the value of health benefits on employees' W-2 tax forms.

* An annual fee is imposed on pharmaceutical companies according to market share. The fee does not apply to companies with sales of $5 million or less.

 

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2012

 

* Physician payment reforms are implemented in Medicare to enhance primary care services and encourage doctors to form "accountable care organizations" to improve quality and efficiency of care.

* An incentive program is established in Medicare for acute care hospitals to improve quality outcomes.

* The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which oversees the government programs, begin tracking hospital readmission rates and puts in place financial incentives to reduce preventable readmissions.

 

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2013

* A national pilot program is established for Medicare on payment bundling to encourage doctors, hospitals and other care providers to better coordinate patient care.

* The threshold for claiming medical expenses on itemized tax returns is raised to 10 percent from 7.5 percent of income. The threshold remains at 7.5 percent for the elderly through 2016.

* The Medicare payroll tax is raised to 2.35 percent from 1.45 percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 and married couples with incomes over $250,000. The tax is imposed on some investment income for that income group.

* A 2.9 percent excise tax in imposed on the sale of medical devices. Anything generally purchased at the retail level by the public is excluded from the tax.

 

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014

 

* State health insurance exchanges for small businesses and individuals open.

* Most people will be required to obtain health insurance coverage or pay a fine if they don't. Healthcare tax credits become available to help people with incomes up to 400 percent of poverty purchase coverage on the exchange.

* Health plans no longer can exclude people from coverage due to pre-existing conditions.

* Employers with 50 or more workers who do not offer coverage face a fine of $2,000 for each employee if any worker receives subsidized insurance on the exchange. The first 30 employees aren't counted for the fine.

* Health insurance companies begin paying a fee based on their market share.

 

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2015

 

* Medicare creates a physician payment program aimed at rewarding quality of care rather than volume of services.

 

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2018

 

* An excise tax on high cost employer-provided plans is imposed. The first $27,500 of a family plan and $10,200 for individual coverage is exempt from the tax. Higher levels are set for plans covering retirees and people in high risk professions.

 

(Reporting by Donna Smith; Editing by David Alexander and Eric Beech)

 

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[SmackDaddy 30]

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Originally posted by LeBrickJames:

Hate to break it to you, but this country has always had socialistic programs in place.

 

None of which have proven successful.

 

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Nothing new. Maybe now we can improve our healthcare system to match those with the best in the world.

 

And no, we aren't even in the top 30.

 

Which still puts us in the top 2% globally.

[Captain Hi-Top 791]

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Originally posted by Lewis4thewin:

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Originally posted by emory889:

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Originally posted by Lewis4thewin:

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Originally posted by TreyTime:

One step closer to socialism.

 

one step away from anarchy?

 

One step closer to the edge.

 

the edge of awesome

 

ONE STEP BEYOND.....

[barnettej 263]

Either way, I would rather have my money go to someone who needs help, instead of going to someone's 10 mil bonus, for being blood sucking thieves.

[SmackDaddy 30]

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Originally posted by barnettej:

Im glad it passed... Great Job!

 

As far as socialism.... there are many things in the US that is Socialized... Like Police... Fire Dept... So forth....

 

Which is one of the major factors leading to the insolvency of most states in the republic. With life expectancies lenghtened and union negotiated tenure being shortened to qualify for pensions, teachers, police officers, fire fighters, etc are working 15-20 years, then retiring for 30-40+ years with guaranteed pensions paid for by the govt.

 

FYI, for the first time in our nation's history, government paying salaries exceeded that of private salaries this year. For those of you that have been brain washed into thinking that corporations are the enemy, I'd like to see how you feel ten to twenty years down the road when that trend continues expansion.

 

Frankly, I'm upset that my personal liberties have been infringed upon by the ignorant.

 

For those of you that feel this is a win for the people without health coverage, and have been duped into thinking this administration is sticking up for the little guy, start researching how much the private insurance companies and the drug companies stand to profit as a result of this monumental passage. The lobbies have won yet again.

 

Furthermore, for those of you that believe this bill truly cuts the deficit, take a peak at the addbacks that haven't been included in the CBO's misleading calculations.

[SmackDaddy 30]

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Originally posted by barnettej:

Either way, I would rather have my money go to someone who needs help, instead of going to someone's 10 mil bonus, for being blood sucking thieves.

 

Explain how you think this works.

[Captain Hi-Top 791]

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Originally posted by LeBrickJames:

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Originally posted by TreyTime:

One step closer to socialism.

 

Hate to break it to you, but this country has always had socialistic programs in place.

 

Nothing new. Maybe now we can improve our healthcare system to match those with the best in the world.

 

And no, we aren't even in the top 30.

 

Thus the comment, one step closer. The more socialist programs in place, the closer we are to socialism.

[barnettej 263]

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Originally posted by SmackDaddy:

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Originally posted by barnettej:

Either way, I would rather have my money go to someone who needs help, instead of going to someone's 10 mil bonus, for being blood sucking thieves.

 

Explain how you think this works.

 

 

Sure.

 

I pay a load of money to my insurance company right now, which I dont even see the equal value of what I pay for....

 

Example: I jacked up my left arm while working that required surgery.

 

The insurance company said that my injury was Marine Corps related and would only cover 40% of my bills...

 

So I shell out the rest to the Hospital.

 

 

Now we pass the Health Care Bill... Cool... However someone is going to have to cover it.. right?

 

That coverage is going to be paid for, one way or another, which will be paid by us.... since we are going to increase the overall coverage from 83% to 95% (I believe).... dont care how you cut it, the working class will end up covering some of this money... its life.

 

So with that thought... Basically coming to terms that some of my money will go this...

 

I figure, why not have my money go to some good... instead of being sucked up and driven away in someone's new Bentley....

 

Thus providing the response, in which you quoted.

[SmackDaddy 30]

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Originally posted by barnettej:

The insurance company said that my injury was Marine Corps related and would only cover 40% of my bills...

 

So I shell out the rest to the Hospital.

 

If it was deemed to be a military related injury, why was the military not responsible to pay the remainder or a portion of the difference?

 

More to your point, please explain to me how 30mil uninsured citizens (most of which are either poverty stricken or uninsurable because they are illness stricken), and I use the term "citizens" lightly, can be added to what many proponents of the bill already consider an overburderened health care system, during a historic economic downturn, with threats of health care professionals leaving their careers behind, and the end result will be better care for all?

 

Your simple, yet misguided perception of what the bill provides is noble, but the consequences, both intended and unintended will be severe & damaging, and according to a well constructed and manipulative plan not realized fully for decades.

 

Unfortunately this immense and encroaching bill is not as cut and dry as you make it seem. To make only a single point where thousands are necessary - There are currently more than 10 new corporate taxes in the bill that will get passed along either to the employee or the consumer in the form of lower wages/lower benefits or higher prices/lesser service, because the goal of business is and always will be to profit (until we make the full transition to communism - which isn't far off). And that is only one layer of this mammoth sized onion that the fed hopes cannot be unpeeled completely before institution occurs.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

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Originally posted by KillingInTheNameOf:

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Originally posted by Lewis4thewin:

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Originally posted by emory889:

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Originally posted by Lewis4thewin:

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Originally posted by TreyTime:

One step closer to socialism.

 

one step away from anarchy?

 

One step closer to the edge.

 

the edge of awesome

 

Out of curiousity, where is this shinning example of collectivism the US should further emulate to put it over the edge to awesome?

 

Rocky IV