Game Thread: Magic Vs. Blazers 11/10

[Shine88 89]

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Originally posted by Skywise316:

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Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery:

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Originally posted by Skywise316:

The only explanation for people blaming Hedo for this loss is... I mean, you must not of watched the game.

 

Other than getting personal, it's the only explanation I can come up with. Complaints about Hedo and/or thinking he should be traded off of his overall play and contract situation are one thing, but based off tonight?

 

I mean.. I honestly don't know how to react in a civil manner to that notion. So I won't say something I regret.

 

I'm assuming you're directing this at me, and you're missing my point.

 

We lost this game for a list of reasons I'm not going to go into. My issue with Hedo is that he's a) a terrible defender, and B) someone who will call his own number every play starting midway through the 3rd for the rest of the game. He could have made every shot, scored 60, and won us the game tonight, and my opinion, that that sort of decision making is detrimental to the team, wouldn't change. A stupid shot is a stupid shot, regardless of whether or not it goes in. Wanting to be the hero is ok when you're taking what the defense gives you. Hedo doesn't. At all. He runs the same awkward fake to his right then drives left before shooting an off-balance layup with the wrong hand.

 

Reality: Dwight Howard had 3 FGAs in the second half. If Hedo really is our "primary distributor" as everyone on this board seems to love to claim, than isn't it logical to conclude that he failed completely in the second half because our most efficient, most effective scorer wasn't getting the ball?

 

Honestly I didn't look at anyone's names, I just read the posts.

 

Since you gotta call me out, then I gotta respond. To think that Hedo Turkoglu cost us this game before Rashard Lewis is patently ridiculous. It just is.

 

And last time I checked, Stan Van Gundy is the head coach of this team, not Hedo Turkoglu.

 

I agree

[hilltopper06 0]

I am tired of the blame-the-bench-athon. Admittedly, AJ should have put up at least one attempt in 17 minutes, but Battie and CLee were only in for limited minutes and did not have anything run for them while in. They both took 1 shot each and after that they were only there for defense. Bogans was pretty solid with 12 points of the bench. The blame for tonight goes to the following personnel in the following order:

 

1.) SVG - If he wanted a spark from the bench then maybe he should have played an energy guy in the second half (CLee or Cook)

 

2.) Shard - It shouldn't take the coach telling you to take it inside for you to realize it yourself.

 

3.) Jameer - Too many missed buckets and defensive lapses.

 

4.) Peaches - Please stop fouling. You can defend without fouling. I can't be too hard on you though, as SVG didn't give you enough burn tonight. The way I see it, fouling out and playing is better than riding the pine.

[Skywise316 211]

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Originally posted by truth393:

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Originally posted by Skywise316:

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Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery:

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Originally posted by Skywise316:

The only explanation for people blaming Hedo for this loss is... I mean, you must not of watched the game.

 

Other than getting personal, it's the only explanation I can come up with. Complaints about Hedo and/or thinking he should be traded off of his overall play and contract situation are one thing, but based off tonight?

 

I mean.. I honestly don't know how to react in a civil manner to that notion. So I won't say something I regret.

 

I'm assuming you're directing this at me, and you're missing my point.

 

We lost this game for a list of reasons I'm not going to go into. My issue with Hedo is that he's a) a terrible defender, and B) someone who will call his own number every play starting midway through the 3rd for the rest of the game. He could have made every shot, scored 60, and won us the game tonight, and my opinion, that that sort of decision making is detrimental to the team, wouldn't change. A stupid shot is a stupid shot, regardless of whether or not it goes in. Wanting to be the hero is ok when you're taking what the defense gives you. Hedo doesn't. At all. He runs the same awkward fake to his right then drives left before shooting an off-balance layup with the wrong hand.

 

Reality: Dwight Howard had 3 FGAs in the second half. If Hedo really is our "primary distributor" as everyone on this board seems to love to claim, than isn't it logical to conclude that he failed completely in the second half because our most efficient, most effective scorer wasn't getting the ball?

 

Honestly I didn't look at anyone's names, I just read the posts.

 

Since you gotta call me out, then I gotta respond. To think that Hedo Turkoglu cost us this game before Rashard Lewis is patently ridiculous. It just is.

 

And last time I checked, Stan Van Gundy is the head coach of this team, not Hedo Turkoglu.

 

I agree

 

I reedited that post again.. sorry but I'm a little under the weather and slower on the uptake tonight. But thanks.

[no_ma'am 0]

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Originally posted by MP_20:

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Originally posted by no_ma'am:

i realize blaming the refs is a message board tradition, but i have to wonder if some of you even watched the game. The refs were perfectly fair this game. There were a few bad calls (there always are), but they went both ways.

 

We lost because pietrus can't stay on the floor or guard dominant wings and lewis had his worst game since he joined the magic.

 

For those of you that hate bogans so much, he was literally the ONLY player off the bench that was worth a squirt of piss tonight. I'm sure you will all blame him for Roy's #'s, but bogans isn't on this team to be a stopper, pietrus is and the fact that he can't stay on the floor more than 5 minutes at a time is telling about how good a defender he actually is.

 

The previous 2 games Pietrus had 5 fouls in 63 minutes. 7 defensive fouls in the last 3. One game where he played 32 out of 3 quarters with 1 foul, so he can stay on the floor. The game just isn't as predictable as we think it is. He's not the only player in the league that's going to be in foul trouble or have a bad half. And I guarantee as long as you stick him on the premier scorers in this league, the whistle is not going to favor him. Especially with how the league is pampering it's offensive talent. But his foul troubles tonight aren't the reason the Magic lost. You lose as a team and there are more reasons why they lost than just Pietrus and Lewis.

 

nice stats...too bad they have nothing to do with tonight's game. I take it you're a fan of pietrus...the main reason we got him was to stop opposing wings. correct? He did not do that tonight. There are plenty of defensive 'stoppers' in the league (bowen, artest, prince) that can stay on the floor, so the refs as star****ers excuse doesn't fly since they all have to deal with it. His problem is he picks up stupid hand check fouls and that severely limits his playing time.

 

He has a shot at being exactly what we need at that position, but he's going to have to start using his head.

 

If lewis has an average game and our bench is more than just bogans, we win this game.

[Secretly Space Jesus 670]

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Originally posted by BLUEHEART:

i know whatever i say right or not you will still hate hedo, which i really dont care. its something not that because he is play its because your personall issue.. you can always hate who ever you want but if there is HATER there i will stand as a LOVER... GET OVER YOURSELF AND GROW UP.

 

It's always kind of sad when actual discussion resorts to that kind of "well you're wrong, so I'm putting my fingers in my ears and singing 'lalala' to prove I'm right" nonsense.

 

You made a stupid claim. When pressed, even a little for evidence, you refuted your own point. That's on you, not me. That you've yet to address one criticism I've made with a rebuttal of any kind, beyond the one example that was self-contradictory that has already been mentioned, is on you. If this is to turn into another "DOM HATES HEDO OMG!" or my favorite "DOM IS RACIST AGAINST TURKISH PEOPLE" threads, so be it, but whether people accept it or not, there is a difference between criticism and hating, and there is certainly a difference between saying a player cost a team the game(not what I said) and saying their play will not be beneficial to the team long term(what I actually said). I can put it in pretty bows for you if you want, but the reality is no amount of faux-outrage will change the facts of what I said or the facts about this team. It's nice that you want Hedo to succeed; it's even ok that you could careless about the team, as long as Hedo gets his. That doesn't make my criticism invalid, and it certainly doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to criticize.

[My 6th Rebuild 6]

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Originally posted by hilltopper06:

I am tired of the blame-the-bench-athon. Admittedly, AJ should have put up at least one attempt in 17 minutes, but Battie and CLee were only in for limited minutes and did not have anything run for them while in. They both took 1 shot each and after that they were only there for defense. Bogans was pretty solid with 12 points of the bench. The blame for tonight goes to the following personnel in the following order:

 

1.) SVG - If he wanted a spark from the bench then maybe he should have played an energy guy in the second half (CLee or Cook)

 

2.) Shard - It shouldn't take the coach telling you to take it inside for you to realize it yourself.

 

3.) Jameer - Too many missed buckets and defensive lapses.

 

4.) Peaches - Please stop fouling. You can defend without fouling. I can't be too hard on you though, as SVG didn't give you enough burn tonight. The way I see it, fouling out and playing is better than riding the pine.

 

Lack of bench only because we are lead to believe this because SVG is playing a play-off rotation right now, not using Cook, JJ, Gortat, or Lee. He barely plays them so I start to believe that they suck and will not be on the floor.

 

I believe that the bench can be better if SVG used them.

 

Phil Jackson, Doc Rivers, and any other good coaches will not keep the same line-up when it is not working well. When we needed offense in the end of the 3rd and most of the 4rth SVG had 2 players more than capable of lighting up the scoreboard.

 

In the Boston game last season where Hedo won the game, there a drought which allowed Boston to get back into the game. SVG, like any good coach, went to his bench for some offense and put Cook in the game. Cook lit up the scoreboard with 3's waking up the Magic offense for the rest of the game.

 

It's not so much of a weak bench, but a lack of use of bench on SVG's part.

[OnlyIntelPosts 0]

Oh DrunkonMystery by the way, there is no 'calling your own number" in the NBA. At a high level like this, coaches come into play more than anything. I'm sure that if Hedo was calling his number everytime, Stan would take him out and teach him a lesson or his teammates would get sick of it and the unhappiness would show on and off the court. What Stan probably does tell Hedo is to run a high pick and roll with Dwight and and penetrate and dish which he does ALMOST every time. How the hell can you say most of Hedo's shots were bad ones when most of them came from penetration and dish from a teammate and a few driving to the hoop layups.

[My 6th Rebuild 6]

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Originally posted by OnlyIntelPosts:

Oh DrunkonMystery by the way, there is no 'calling your own number" in the NBA. At a high level like this, coaches come into play more than anything. I'm sure that if Hedo was calling his number everytime, Stan would take him out and teach him a lesson or his teammates would get sick of it and the unhappiness would show on and off the court. What Stan probably does tell Hedo is to run a high pick and roll with Dwight and and penetrate and dish which he does ALMOST every time. How the hell can you say most of Hedo's shots were bad ones when most of them came from penetration and dish from a teammate and a few driving to the hoop layups.

 

MJ: Phil, I'm taking the last shot!!

 

Phil: Shut your trap, Scottie is taking the last shot. You know what? I'm sick and tired of you always wanting the last shot. Your not going back into the game Michael, let this be a lesson to you.

[magic01 0]

Look on the bright side guys..I get a free chick fil a sandwich tomorrow.

[My 6th Rebuild 6]

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Originally posted by OnlyIntelPosts:

Oh DrunkonMystery by the way, there is no 'calling your own number" in the NBA. At a high level like this, coaches come into play more than anything. I'm sure that if Hedo was calling his number everytime, Stan would take him out and teach him a lesson or his teammates would get sick of it and the unhappiness would show on and off the court. What Stan probably does tell Hedo is to run a high pick and roll with Dwight and and penetrate and dish which he does ALMOST every time. How the hell can you say most of Hedo's shots were bad ones when most of them came from penetration and dish from a teammate and a few driving to the hoop layups.

 

Mike Brown: Ok, 3 seconds left down by 2. Boobie, i want you to inbound the ball to Wally. Ben, set the pic for Wally. Wally you drive to the hole and take the shot.

 

Lebron: Um..no. I will be taking the last shot.

 

Mike Brown: Ok.

[OnlyIntelPosts 0]

Wow I had no idea that Hedo was in the same caliber as Michael Jordan, next you should talk about how magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant call their number coming down the court to take any shot they want too.

[My 6th Rebuild 6]

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Originally posted by OnlyIntelPosts:

Wow I had no idea that Hedo was in the same caliber as Michael Jordan, next you should talk about how magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant call their number coming down the court to take any shot they want too.

 

I did not say Hedo calls his own shot. You said it does not exist in the NBA. I am saying it does.