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Rob, I am afraid that I have to agree with Skywise on this one more than you. Let's look at it this way. There are 48mpg at the SG, and 48mpg at the SF position during any given game. VC - 30mpg, primarily at SG That leaves 66mpg to be distributed between Pietrus, Barnes, and Redick. You aren't going to play Redick at the SF, and you probably aren't going to play him the remaining 18mpg at the SG if you have another option. Let's say you are going to play Pietrus and Barnes 25mpg each. That still leaves 16mpg to be distributed. Either you are playing Redick those 16mpg, or you have to play Shard or Anderson some minutes at SF. Any of the time you play Shard there opens up available minutes at the PF for Bass and Anderson. So, the question becomes, who is more likely to get minutes within SVG's rotation - Redick at the SG, or Anderson at the SF/PF. I would have to bet on Ryan, as I think he brings more to the table than JJ does. I think your breakdown will probably be something like this. PG Jameer 36mpg, AJ 12mpg SG Vince 30mpg, Pietrus 15mpg, JJ 3mpg SF Barnes 24mpg, Pietrus 12mpg, Shard 12mpg PF Shard 20mpg, Bass 18mpg, Anderson 10mpg C Dwight 35mpg, Marcin 13mpg If JJ can manage to play a little PG, or if Otis picks up a decent 3PG, you might see Meer and AJ's minutes decrease a little, but I doubt you will see JJ getting more minutes than Anderson during the season on a regular basis. I am afraid that Redick will not be more than an NBA role player. I think RAnderson has the potential to be more. Also, with Shard out the first ten games, there will be more minutes available for Mr Anderson to "prove himself", and we all know that SVG doesn't like to change what works. He is definitely a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" kind of coach. That is how CLee ended up staying in the starting line-up, even after Pietrus was back healthy. I am not saying that Shard will be left sitting on the bench once his suspension is over, but I think other players will have a chance to earn more permanent minutes during that time.

The difference between a snake and a goose? A snake is an asp in the grass, and a goose is a grasp in the ***.

quote: Originally posted by Skywise316: quote: Originally posted by Legal eagle:Common you guys!! Let the phanatics on both sides of the spectrum cancel each other out ... hopefully then the thinking, reasonable fans will emerge ... let's not get into sterile arguments ... Carlos is, without a doubt, the Magic's best available fit/option for the 2nd squad PG ... Not as long as the Anthony Carters and Flip Murrays of the world are still out there. I think Carlos is an option, but not a top-of-the-line option. Okay, let's start shooting them down.1) Carter re-signed with Denver - gone 2) Murray is a scorer/SG, not a PG - done 3) Portland isn't going to give us Blake for AJ/JJ, they don't have Isaih Thomas as GM - done Our best options seem to be Arroyo, JWill, one of GSW's four via a portion of the TPE (probably not Watson, they seem to want too much for him), or a D-Leaguer/Unsigned player. I think Otis will probably have 3-4 non-contract PGs in camp, and might sign one, or might look at who doesn't make other teams rosters. Also, if he doesn't make a move, maybe GSW will come down on their price for Watson. I doubt they really want to go into the season with 4 PG on their roster; though with Don Nelson you never know.

quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan:Being a scout is very hard, unless you know a ton of people you will basically work for free or very little for a long time. To say NBA scouts are not very good at their jobs shows you know nothing. These guys are the best of the best and only get the jobs because of a great track record built over a long period of time. These guys have a keen eye for a player and NBA coaches do not watch that many games. Scouts follow players all college season while NBA coaches are coaching. Scouts have far better knowledge about everything about a prospect than a coach does. To comment on this when I doubt you have any knowledge at all is beyond me. Coaches listen to their scouts almost exclusively when drafting unless you have some crazy owner who does whatever he wants. I believe that scouting is a difficult job, and that scouts frequently know more about the potential draft players, but how do you explain some of the Magic's draft picks over the years? Johny Taylor, Jerry Sasser, Reece Gaines, Brooks Thompson, Stephen Hunter, David Vaughn and Geert Hammink are just a few that come immediately to mind. Did the Magic's GMs and owners not listen to their scouts, or did we just have sub-par scouts? Not to be mean, and no offense to your dad in particular - but obviously the decision makers weren't listening, or the scouting reports weren't very good, cause the Magic have a pretty abysmal record for draft picks outside the top ten picks. (no, that isn't a jab at #11 - JJ Redick, just saying that other than Courtney Lee, we haven't had many picks between 11 & 30 who have gotten off to impressive starts and/or had long-term, productive NBA careers)

quote: Originally posted by emory889: quote: Originally posted by otownmagic333:I swore I read that Jeremy Richardson had a $1 million qualifying offer with us. He very well may have. All a qualifying offer does is ensure that the Magic retain his bird rights. It doesn't mean that the Magic offered him a contract. A qualifying offer means they have offered him the minimum contract allowed under the CBA. If he signs it, he now has a contract with the team. Unless the team pulls the offer and renounces their rights, he has a legal contract that he can sign - how is that not offering him a contract? How did you think RFA's that don't get offers sign the one-year "qualifying" offer with their original team and become unrestricted the following year?

Final words for Cleveland Cavs fans - LeBron James walks off the floor after losing in the ECF without bothering to shake hands with his opponents Dwight Howard, after losing in the FINALS, not only stays to shake hands, but stays for the presentation of the trophy - to give himself motivation, and because it is the right thing to do. That my friends is called actions speaking louder than words. Therefore, the final word is "CLASS".

Sounds a bit like he is trying to up the price on Watson in a S&T.

Wow, 5 just isn't enough PG - Stevie Franchise - backup Tyronn Lue(ser) SG - Jerryl Sasser - backup Reece Gaines SF - Doug (my wife has my balls in a jar) Christie - backup Todd Lichti PF - Fran (my fiancee has my balls ...)Vazquez - backup Anthony Avent C - Ike (I got the big contract, where's the buffet) Austin - backup Darko (I have too much talent to be such a loser)Milicic Coach - Brian Hill GM - John (hockey puck) Weisbrod

quote: Originally posted by MagicAtic:PG DJ SG Ainge? SF Bird PF McHale C Parish I don't think Ainge ever made an all-star team, but at one point you also had Bill Walton coming off the bench as well. Also in the 80's the Lakers had Jamaal Wilkes, Bob McAdoo, AC Green, surrounding their core of Magic/Kareem, and later Scott/Worthy/Cooper. The 76ers in the early 80's had Maurice Cheeks Dr J Moses Malone Andrew Toney And 88/89, 89/90 the Pistons had the bad boys Isaih Thomas Joe Dumars Vinnie "Microwave" Johnson Bill Laimbeer Those teams were all stacked, which is why in the 80's LA won 5, Boston 3, Philly 1 and Detroit 1; and nobody else really got a sniff at the championship.

quote: Originally posted by DontPushMe:i'd rather sign russell robinson to a max deal than bring back arroyo please dont do this Hey, we only have 11 guys under contract right now. Why don't we sign Russell Robinson, Kevin Kruger, and Coby Karl all to minimum contracts. Then we could pretend we are Golden State and play 5 point guards at one time!! Seriously, I think that Arroyo would be the best backup we can get without using the Hedo TPE. I just don't see a whole lot of better options available that would sign for the minimum. I guess we still have Arroyo's bird rights, so we could go above the minimum for him. Any other options would only be available via trade; which means either AJ, JJ, or possibly Ryan Anderson; or we use part of the TPE. As many people have said, as long as he is clear that he is coming to be a backup, and not to compete for the starting slot, then I would be happy to have him here.

quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan:Yeah if you watched the Magics game you also saw Shard lead the league in 3-pointers made and provide mismatches that only the Lakers could handle. Bass gives us another way to play when the matchups are warranted. But he will not start and why is that a big deal? He will still get 20 mins a game and if we are getting killed on the boards we can play him more. Yes we gave up lots of offensive rebounds but also made it to the NBA finals. You cant have it both ways, if we start Bass we have less mismatches offensively and less spacing for our Franchise player. I tend to agree that Barnes or Pietrus will probably start at the SF, and Shard at the PF; but I wouldn't discount the possibility of Shard at the SF. He is big enough to post up and/or shoot over most SF, it is how he played most of his career in Seattle. I think that SVG will start whoever has the best camp/pre-season between Barnes and Bass. I think he likes MP coming off the bench for both the SG/SF positions, so I think Barnes or Bass will start, with Shard starting at whichever forward position is open. I know you normally wouldn't determine a starting line-up that way, but this team was built with that kind of flexibility in mind; and we all know SVG doesn't mind doing the unexpected.

quote: Originally posted by nobandwagonhere:There is no real logic behind this but i think pistons are gonna suprise alot of people in rankings this year. they won't win the ecf or even make it but imo they could be 4th best team in east Wow, I would have to agree with the no real logic portion of your statement. Detroit was a mess last year, and even if you blame most of it on the coach, I have to look at the roster moves so far and go HUH?!? Gone Iverson Wallace McDyess Added Ben Gordon Charlie Villanueva Chris Wilcox Yes, the replacements are younger, but other than that, they aren't really that different. Gordon is an undersized SG, who will compete with Rip for PT/starters minutes just like Iverson did. Villanueva is a PF who likes to stand outside and shoot. Sort of like Wallace last year. At least Wallace was occassionally willing to play some tough inside D. I am not sure CV knows how. Wilcox is primarily a banger. Okay, he might be a tougher defender than McDyess, but he doesn't have the 12-15 foot jumper like Dice.

1. Orlando Magic 2. Boston Celtics 3. Cleveland Cavaliers 4. Washington Wizards 5. Atlanta Hawks 6. Chicago Bulls 7. Toronto Raptors 8. Miami Heat ----- 9. Philadelphia 76ers 10. Detroit Pistons 11. Indiana Pacers 12. New York Knicks 13. Milwaukee Bucks 14. New Jersey Nets 15. Charlotte Bobcats This is how I see it if Miami doesn't get Odom or Boozer. If they get either one, I think they move up to 6th, both moves them up to the 4th seed. I have to drop Philly down because they gave up Miller. Point guards are too important to plan on un-proven talent.

Pruitt started for Boston's summer league team here in O-town, and averaged about 11 ppg and 4 apg in approx 25 mpg. Best game was the last one, where he had 13points and 9 assists in just over 25 minutes. I didn't see any of the games, just went back to check the box scores. I am not really impressed with those stats, especially against summer league competition. I am thinking AJ could have done better, so I don't think he is an upgrade. The last game being the best might be encouraging - maybe he was getting a better read on his teammates?? Does anyone know/remember him from the summer league games?

quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery:In case any of you are/were curious, my order would be Durant, Roy, Dirk, then Melo/Lebron in some order. That's obviously assuming I got them this year. Really, that would be your order this year? I don't think I see your logic at all. I mean really, you wouldn't put CP3 or DWade in your top 5? How about Tim Duncan, go the twin towers route? I guess you prefer Dirk over Tim? Durant over Melo or Lebron? Wow, I don't think I can even begin to agree with Durant in the top five at all, never mind top two. Wow, I am floored. Can we get some insight into your thoughts here? Not bashing them as players, just wondering how you came up with them in that order.

I would have to say that we are more complete this year than last. Let's see the matchups Jameer/AJ = Fisher/Farmar-our starter is better, but their talent dropoff is less-toss up Vince/Pietrus = Kobe/Vujacic-I have to give Kobe the edge over Vince, but our dropoff is less-toss up Shard/Barnes/Pietrus > Artest/Walton/Morrison-I don't think Artest is the player he was two years ago - edge to Magic Bass/Shard/Anderson > Gasol/Artest/Powell-current edge to Magic, but if Odom is back, then it is a toss up Dwight/Marcin > Bynum/Gasol-current edge to Magic, but Odom's ability to double team makes this close if he is back. I think this becomes a knock-down, drag-out, seven game war if everyone is healthy, and the Lakers have Odom back. Magic in 7. If Odom goes to Miami, I am not 100% the Lakers make the finals. If they do, Magic in 6, maybe even in 5. The additions of Bass and Anderson, will alleviate some of the Lakers double-team on Dwight, with or without Odom; and the addition of Vince takes Kobe out of the doubling. Kobe doubled off of CLee, and to a lesser extent, off of Pietrus. He can't do that with VC.

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I have said much of this before, when CA was with the team, but I shall re-iterate. I like CA as a backup but I don't think his game is suited to start in the NBA. He has always played better in international ball than he has on the NBA level. The reasons for this are probably a mixture of the following: 1) When he plays for PR, he has extra motivation playing for his country. 2) The 3-point line is closer in international ball, which helps his shooting percentage, and also tends to open the lanes up, as defenders match-up to the shooters. 3) Teams play more match-up zone in international ball, which is good for anyone with a decent, aggressive first step to get to the middle. 4) The trapezoidal lane opens up the middle, because the PF/C has to come farther to defend the basket. 5) There are fewer games, and I believe they are shorter as well (40 minutes v. 48 in NBA) CA is not the first point guard to have better success internationally than in the NBA, or doesn't anyone remember Sarunas Jasickevicious(sorry if the last name is spelled wrong). His fans have occassionally pointed to his success overseas/internationally as a reason he should start in the NBA. While they show he does have skill, it obviously isn't the whole story. The 82 game regular season, the greater travel demands, and the differences in both the court and the game all take a toll. I think CA has the game to be a valuable backup, and occasional starter in the NBA; but his game is largely based on energy/emotion, and I have never seen evidence that he is able to sustain both for more than 5-6 games as a starter during his time in the NBA. Up until last year, I wasn't 100% sure Jameer would be able to sustain that energy through a season, but I hoped he would. He did last year until he was injured, and that was what seemed to be missing in his (too-early) comeback in the finals. Otis, if you think CA can handle coming off the bench, then do it. You are the man, and in Otis we trust.

It is kind of a which came first, the chicken or the egg? The JJ fanatics, or the JJ bashers. From the day we drafted him, there were some who were proclaiming JJ as the next star of the Magic. Because his college career was so spectacular, expectations were unreasonably high for some. Others who pointed out his weaknesses were criticized by the fanatics, and they in turn were criticized by the bashers. Pandemonium ensued. Unfortunately, his career to date has left little for the fanatics to crow about, and most of them are quite silent about him now. Personally, I think he is working very hard to improve his weaknesses, and deserves some credit; but I don't think he will ever be more than an end of the rotation (8th or 9th guy) in the NBA, and will probably become an end of the bench guy within 5 years. Sometimes it just works out that way.

quote: Originally posted by Magic_Juan:3...9...81...6561... a. 13000 b. 4271562 c. 2468135 d. 3'sssssssssssssss e. None of the above. The next number in your sequence should be 43,046,721 since each number is the previous number squared. 6561*6561=43,046,721 Chalk one up for the Rain Man. "K-mart sucks"

quote: Originally posted by cunningstunt:would you have rather seen RJ here instead of vince? i know vince is a former all star and still great, but rj is younger, and would have left more room under the cap to have signed a cj watson. .. but yeah we got anderson in the deal, so not considering him as well... but in turn we probably wouldn't have to give up clee on a sign and trade like that. I don't think so. I have never been a big RJ fan, and quite frankly, I think VC is still the better player. Vince 08/09 5.1rpg 4.7apg 2.08 turnovers career 5.5rpg 4.3apg 2.38 turnovers RJ 08/09 4.6rpg 2.4apg 2.01 turnovers career 5.3rpg 3.0apg 2.19 turnovers Oh, and Vince outscored him last year 20.8 to 19.6ppg too.

quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery:Part of not being a hypocrite means having to disregard opinions you find agreeable. Chad Ford is an insufferable tool, and his writing is terrible, unless he's writing about how great a European big man prospect is going to be, in which case it's hilarious. That doesn't change just because he writes something pro-Magic. Frankly, I'm disappointed in the lot of you. Actually, I agree with you that Chad Ford is a fool; but what does it say about the moves Otis has made. They are so good that even a Magic-doubting, Cle/Bos worshiping fool like Ford has to admit they are among the best moves in the league. I personally like our moves better than San Antonio's, as I don't think they really have a starting center. McDyess and Ratliff are both at the point in their career where they are better suited to a backup role. Unless they are moving Duncan to be a center now.

quote: Originally posted by Mr Charisma: quote: Originally posted by M4G1C:being deep at every position is fun, but having people finally give us some recognition for it is even better Uh, no. If I had to choose between the two, having the depth is much better than some tools tooting our horn. The Cavs last year had the horn tooting without the depth and it got them nothing but embarrassed. +1 You got that right. I like it when we are disrespected. It seems to get the team fired up.

quote: Originally posted by MagicFan7687:our guys are hungry and they will all line up single file in their appropirate order at the buffet line but i think the greatest thing is that the guys in line know whats on the buffet, and they all equally want whats up there and in the same portion, so they are willing to swap places in line on certain nights because they know what they are gonna get, BEEF ITS WHATS FOR DINNER!!! and water is H2O two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom Wow, heavy. Oh wait, that would be H3O!

quote: Originally posted by magicfreak#1:So... One Hydrogen molecule says to another, "I lost an electron." The other replies, "Are you sure?" The first molecule in turn replies, "Yes, I am POSITIVE." Congratulations, you are officially a geek!!