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Everything posted by ?4thewin

  1. Media day is today. time to retire the offseason thread.
  2. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    Theres no real cap savings by not having Payton. We'd probably have to sign him with an exception that we'd still have if we kept him.
  3. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

  4. You had some really great games. You showed enough to justify your draft pick spot. You have talent. It wouldn't surprise me if you were pretty good in a few years. Sorry it couldn't happen here but it was just time.
  5. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    I don't know. It depends on who's out there.
  6. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    If we're at the position where we're looking at just solid guys it makes sense to take the high risk high reward guy. Porter.
  7. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    Which goes back to my point. If you think there's a starter out there for a position of need and the cost of moving up is a mid first rounder 4 years from now you always make that move.
  8. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    Depends on what's left on the board
  9. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    No. Just that trading for Payton was the right move at the time. He was worth betting on. And he proved it. And it'd be no different than taking a swing on trey young now. Because what exactly did we lose? Saric and a mid teens pick? I'm not losing sleep over that.
  10. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    Just watch this and go to 1:40 Then watch this whole thing He's not ibaka he could be what they said towns would be
  11. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    I was making a point. Not talking about young. Trading up for young is the same thing as trading up for Payton at the time.
  12. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    Understand the analogy I'm making here man.
  13. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    The thing to remember about Jackson is he's one of the youngest players in college basketball. He's a full year younger than young, porter, bamba and ayton. He doesn't turn 19 until training camp begins.
  14. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    Think about the Payton trade like this. We screw around this season and end up 9th after the lottery. We draft mikael bridges. Trae Young goes 7th. Wouldn't you trade bridges and the 17th pick in 2022 for the chance to get trae young. Even if your scouts were 100% sure bridges was basically going to be Josh Richardson you have ross, Simmons, Fournier, iwundu and it makes sense to take a swing on a high upside position of need. So even if 4 years from now young ends up being Ty Lawson it still makes sense to make that move. Because the ability to transform the franchise means more than adding another solid player with a high floor at a crowded spot and a mid teens pick that has an expected value of a player like harkless, oubre, dekker, shumpert
  15. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    He traded a pick 4 years in the future to move up 2 spots and draft a player that started 234 games for us. Our previous gm used a lotto pick on a guy that decided he didn't want to play in the nba. Keep things in perspective. Drafting a guy who might be a starter at 10 is never embarrassing.
  16. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    I don't know. There seems to be a systemic problem going back to the inception of the franchise. Botching the Shaq resigning. Botching the Duncan signing. Hiring a GM that had no basketball experience. Botching Dwight leaving. Having your team president drunk dial Dwight in the middle of the night. Botching the post Dwight rebuild. Every outside hire being shocked at the lack of infrastructure. Consistent nepotism. If we pick third in 92 and draft Christian Laettner is the team even in Orlando today?
  17. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    I didn't say it was the exclusive reason but weltman pretty much breaks down his basis for trading Payton. 1. The idea that we need to stay current with nba trends i.e. shooting from the point guard position 2. Poor defense 3. We could have resigned him to a low contract to preserve an asset (like the previous admin did with Tobias without the low contract) but that limits our future flexibility to hold onto an asset that doesn't really fit our plans going forward. The opportunity cost wasn't worth it.
  18. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    My bold prediction today that i don't really have any level of confidence in is JJJ ends up being the best player in this draft.
  19. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    Especially if you weight the last 30 games or so as what Mario is vs their respective careers
  20. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    I don't think so as its premise #1 of our management teams argument for trading Payton instead of leveraging his restricted free agency for a cheaper contract
  21. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    Payton's shooting doesn't matter except as a function of defensive geometry. Until he makes enough for defenders to care about him shooting it has no effective impact for him to shoot 28% or 40% And it'd be one thing if he took every open three but he's taking 3 every 2 games. Is 28 made threes over 47 games significantly different than 20 made threes over 47 games?