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I learned how to do that move in 8th grade.

Wait. Dwight had the ball in his hands, turned his whole body without swinging his arms, and its a foul on him because someone's face was there. He made a basketball move! Terrible.

Good low post players get the ball because they have post moves. If you don't have post moves how can an offense consistantly be run through you? Dwight, learn some post moves. Has anyone ever taught you a drop step? Or a jump hook? If the only post move you know is to over power the other player nothing can be run through you, sorry. VC and Jameer, pass the man the ball on pick and rolls. Run more pick and rolls. Pretty simple.

All the great centers in the league had post moves though. At this point Dwight should be a 25/12 guy. But that's on him and the coaches not on VC, come on now.

quote: Originally posted by m!ck3y: quote: Originally posted by star_phenom35:Would anyone else here mind Gortat being traded? He's really playing horrible ball since he got that fat contract. He can't hold on to a rebound, he fumbles just about every pass, and he's become almost as foul prone as Greg Oden. As bad as he has played this year, we will need him as the season goes on. He is a 7 foot big man and that is not something you come across very often. IMO this bad game play starts from the starting of the game where VC doesn't attack the rim early helping to get their bigs in early foul trouble. You're putting first blame on Vince not getting the other team in foul trouble? Yet him and Peaches were the only ones creating anything on offense. Then when he goes out nobody steps up and scores. But it's his fault that the other team isn't in foul trouble? Good grief.

A WARNING TO EVERYONE: Vince Carter will probably be taking a lot of shots in the second half. Prepare yourself. That's for both the lovers and haters.

quote: Originally posted by Kush:**** that's all it takes to beat this team is to bully them? You got Barnes and Bass who will push back and cannot get no playing time. Hey Kush, how's the offense without Vince?

quote: Originally posted by Kush: quote: Originally posted by one9: quote: Originally posted by Kush: quote: Originally posted by one9: quote: Originally posted by Kush: quote: Originally posted by one9: quote: Originally posted by magicman44:VC still settling for jumpers vs Scalobrinie? VC still making jumpers vs Scalabrine? If you take a thousand jumpers in a game, you're bound to hit some. He should be killing this dude. The man is washed up. He has 10 points in the first quarter what the hell are you talking about? 39% fg. That's what the hell I'm talking about. The question is the in the hell you have been watching? He took 7 shots, pretty small sample size wouldn't you say? I swear I never thought I would see someone complain about how a player isn't killing another guy when said player is on pace to score 40. Unbelievable. 39% is not a small sample size, it's the whole season buddy. Alright so we'll run the offense through Peaches and his shooting % will probably stay around 42%. Or we could run the offense through Rashard, he can create his own offense and his fg% might even go up. Even better, JJ could take all the big shots and his fg% will definitely stay around 46%. Or I could just skew all the numbers and say all of those players are shooting lower than they actually are bc Vince is shooting 39% right? When it's actually 39.8%. That makes good math and sense for you all at the same time. If you're going to argue a point at least use actual numbers.

quote: Originally posted by Kush: quote: Originally posted by one9: quote: Originally posted by Kush: quote: Originally posted by one9: quote: Originally posted by magicman44:VC still settling for jumpers vs Scalobrinie? VC still making jumpers vs Scalabrine? If you take a thousand jumpers in a game, you're bound to hit some. He should be killing this dude. The man is washed up. He has 10 points in the first quarter what the hell are you talking about? 39% fg. That's what the hell I'm talking about. The question is the in the hell you have been watching? He took 7 shots, pretty small sample size wouldn't you say? I swear I never thought I would see someone complain about how a player isn't killing another guy when said player is on pace to score 40. Unbelievable.

quote: Originally posted by deadman54: quote: Originally posted by one9: quote: Originally posted by Kush: quote: Originally posted by one9: quote: Originally posted by magicman44:VC still settling for jumpers vs Scalobrinie? VC still making jumpers vs Scalabrine? If you take a thousand jumpers in a game, you're bound to hit some. He should be killing this dude. The man is washed up. He has 10 points in the first quarter what the hell are you talking about? vince 10pts peaches 9ts boston 18 What does that mean?

quote: Originally posted by Kush: quote: Originally posted by one9: quote: Originally posted by magicman44:VC still settling for jumpers vs Scalobrinie? VC still making jumpers vs Scalabrine? If you take a thousand jumpers in a game, you're bound to hit some. He should be killing this dude. The man is washed up. He has 10 points in the first quarter what the hell are you talking about?

quote: Originally posted by magicman44:VC still settling for jumpers vs Scalobrinie? VC still making jumpers vs Scalabrine?

quote: Originally posted by T REX:Unfortunately, that's not negativity....that's just plain flaming. The irony is complaining see about complainers....some of you just don't see the massive irony. Whining about "whiners"....you can't make this stuff up. See, here's a real issue....isn't VC having almost career lows in many categories???? But, the VC sycophants REFUSE to even consider it. The guy goes 1-14 and is having a bad shooting year yet all said poster can say is "he had a bad night"????? Come on....you may think that I can see no good in VC's game however there are posters that can see no BAD...none....even when he is sucking they still refuse to believe an aging Carter may well....be having a poor year. Really? Vince is having a poor year? Nooooooooooooo s.hit. Career lows in eveything, we know already. But for you to sit there and think that he can't help the Magic win a championship is plain stupidity on your part. Vince is declining, he's less of an athlete, he can't score like he used to. We get it man. Vince is going to carry this team at times and completely suck at others, get used to it. But when the time comes in the playoffs and games are decided on whether he's having a good game or not, you better believe he's going to win games for the Magic. If you don't, you're no fan.

quote: Originally posted by swarlesbarkley:i feel much more confident with VC on the breakaway than with Turk. but but turk is 6'10.....

Yes this needs it's own thread. Obviously people don't understand how Vince Carter plays. I don't claim to be an expert at all, but I have been following Vince since he was at UNC. Some of the people on here say things like, "Vince is a chucker," "He doesn't understand how to play team basketball," "He needs to drive more." Vince has played the same way since he was in high school and has PROVEN that his way works. He has proven that he makes those wild shots that you think have no chance of going in. He has proven that he can hit 35 foot 3 pointers. He has proven that he can distribute the ball effectively. He has proven that he rebounds the ball well. He has PROVEN that his style of play works. 06/07- FG 45%. 3P 35% 07/08- FG 45%. 3P 36% 08/09- FG 43%. 3P 38% How is it possible that a guy who is a chucker, a guy who takes terrible shots, a guy who doesn't know how to facilitate a team average these percentages? He makes shots. That's what he does. Get used to it. He does all this while averaging 5 rebounds and 5 assists over the past 3 years. Not even mentioning he's an 8 time all star. So how the hell is it possible to be so bad, as many people claim, but be so good? Wait let me guess, you're going to use the, "but he's never won anything and never will" line. Excuse yourself from the conversation please. You guys just keep crying about how he's not making shots. But the thing you fail to realize is that these are the same shots he's been taking his whole LIFE. He hasn't just started taking shots that you think are bad. These are Vince Carter shots and if you don't like them just look at the percentages, he makes shots. He's not going to change, maybe you need to. Kobe Bryant 06/07- FG 46%. 3P 34%. 07/08- FG 46%. 3P 36%. 08/09- FG 46%. 3P 35%. Carmelo Anthony 06/07- FG 47%. 3P 27%. 07/08- FG 49%. 3P 35%. 08/09- FG 44%. 3P 37%. Joe Johnson 06/07- FG 47%. 3P 38%. 07/08- FG 43%. 3P 38%. 08/09- FG 43%. 3P 36%.

Vince Carter makes shots. Still doubting him? I bet if he missed that shot everyone wouldn't been whining that there was still time to get a better shot off. But he's going to make those kind of shots more than he misses, because he's been doing it his whole career. Too bad it was all for not.

quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan:As far as SVG demanding Vc take over games late, did you not watch a game last season? Hedo had the same role, he just didn't always take the shots and instead did this thing called pass the ball. It works quite well sometimes but only if you actually go to the basket instead of shooting fadeaway jumpshots. But the thing is all you do is b.itch and moan about Vince and say nothing about the coach. Stan has told Vince to take the shots he's been taking. I started this thread to show you that Vince has always taken those shots throughout his whole career and has made them. Talk all you want about how many jump shots he takes comapared to Hedo, but Vince makes them. Always has. Just because you thought Vince was coming here to be a facilitator and make everyone better around him doesn't mean that's what the team brought him here to do. Stan wants Vince to take shots, so Vince takes shots. Get used to it. If Stan told Vince he needs to be a better facilitator, he would be a better facilitator. You don't know his game so don't act like you do. For instance, last year on the Nets (the same team that is 0-13 this year) Devin Harris was out for 5 games with an injury. Vince averaged 8 assists in those games. You want to know why? His coach, Lawrence Frank, told him to be a facilitator. You're ignorant if you think Vince can't facilitate a team of all-stars, much less a team of scrubs.

Can anyone answer this: If Vince takes too many shots, bad ones to most of you, why does SVG want him to shoot more? Vince said after last game that multiple times when Vince PASSED the ball SVG 'got mad at him' and wanted him to SHOOT more. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r38JrmJ-fUM around the 7:20 mark. "Coach put the ball in my hands and said make plays." Keep getting mad at Vince for doing exactly what his coach tells him to do.

quote: Originally posted by T REX:Like any respectable player or coach is going to come out and say anything negative. What's this prove again???? Please please start another thread about your idol. Let me know when VC actual wins something of import in the NBA before the age of 40. Thanks. Stan got mad at Vince for passing. Do you understand that sentence? He wanted Vince to take even MORE shots than he did. HAHA how mad are you about that? STAN WANTS MORE SHOTS FOR VINCE. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Say it with me, "more shots for vince" "more shots for vince" "more shots for vince." It's going to be a long season for you. Unfortunate, but hilarious at the same time. Magic have the best record in the league too hahahahahaha. You lost.

quote: Originally posted by T REX:When did we get three HOF's on our roster???? So you think Boston, as a team 2 years ago, is better than this current Magic team? Honest question.

Gushed Paul Pierce: "Vince Carter is an established scorer. He

quote: Originally posted by bringithomerashard: quote: Originally posted by one9:Everyone is still missing the point of the thread! The offense did well when JJ was in because he was hitting shots. Everyone agrees on that, good. The offense wasn't doing well in THE FIRST HALF because Vince wasn't making shots. Everyone agrees on that, good. Now that we're all on the same page let's get back to the original topic: Has JJ proven he can consistantly hit shots and shoot a percentage like he did today? No. Has Vince proven he can consistantly hit shots and shoot a good percentage? Yes. Rationale thoughts. Someone please try to prove otherwise. JJ Redick shot the ball 10 total times today in the ENTIRE game, Carter shot 11 in the first quarter alone lol Your making a good point but our team is much better when everyone is involved period From your perspective. Why would SVG keep continuously going to Carter then? Why would he keep drawing up plays for him? Why after shooting horribly last game, would Stan call play after play for him? Why in a post game interview would Dwight say, "that is exactly what we brought him (Carter) here to do"? Seems to me like you think you know more than the head coach of an NBA team and know more than one of the best players in the game. Vince is going to keep shooting those shots and when they're falling and everyone on the other team is keying in on him, the offense will facilitate better. Patience my friend. When the shots fall, everything works. And the shots fall.

Everyone is still missing the point of the thread! The offense did well when JJ was in because he was hitting shots. Everyone agrees on that, good. The offense wasn't doing well in THE FIRST HALF because Vince wasn't making shots. Everyone agrees on that, good. Now that we're all on the same page let's get back to the original topic: Has JJ proven he can consistantly hit shots and shoot a percentage like he did today? No. Has Vince proven he can consistantly hit shots and shoot a good percentage? Yes. Rationale thoughts. Someone please try to prove otherwise.

quote: Originally posted by bringithomerashard:you are completely blind if you watched the game today and don't agree with the fact that while vince was shooting the ball every chance he got (2-11 the first quarter) our team looked pathetic, then he was taken out and our team clicked and next thing you know we were up by 10. No one is questioning what WORKS for vince carter, because it obviously has for HIM between the stats he has put up and the all star appearances, BUT as you could see today it does not work for our team or at least without the one man show our team was much better off and to be honest theres no way you can dispute that, PROVEN BY THE GAME TODAY You're missing the point of the thread. Vince didn't shoot the ball well today. Vince usually shoots the ball well PROVEN by his whole career, there's nothing you can show me that proves other wise. If Vince was SHOOTING the ball better, as proven by his whole career (786 games), the offense would be doing better, again there's nothing you can show me that proves otherwise. You completely missed the point of the thread. Vince shoots well (team does well). Vince has PROVEN he shoots well. Easy to understand. He's not making shots now, we get it. But how many games is that? Let me show you the 99% of his career where he plays better. But that would be too rationale wouldn't it. The crazy thing is, even though Vince isn't making shots that he's been making his whole career, Orlando is still WINNING games. How crazy is that? But noooooo why would you look at the positives. See you on the bandwagon in a month.

quote: Originally posted by ThuglifeJ: quote: Originally posted by one9: quote: Originally posted by ThuglifeJ:this didnt need it's own thread. I mean it's a good thread. BUT TRex is a troll just ignore him. just ignore the key 3 who don't really know anything about VC and make ridiculous statements and it's fine.. (TRex, VaBch, and I guess now Bringingithome) Go look through all the game threads with people saying "bad shot vince" "stop shooting please" they don't understand that he makes those shots. It wasn't for the trolls. Also, Vince hasn't been doing windmills for 3 years. Don't know why people think he's 25. What 30+ year old does flashy dunks anymore? he actually has been doing windmills to this day. If you ever go to a game, during warmups he sometimes does like one handed 360s still. And in that UNC reuinion game he did an off the glass windmill alley oop ha and this was a week or two before preseason. And he did a windmill last season. And in a charity game over the summer... just saying ha. No no, I mean in games. I'm sure he's had one here or there, but he used to do it to be flashy and get a reaction from the crowd. He'd rather shake you off the dribble and hit a fadeaway in someone's eye now.