The Road to the White House

[Berto 338]

KITNO

 

Yes, she was criticized by her health care proposal in the 90's, but would people openly be calling her a socialist or marxist? Don't think so.

 

I'm not saying she wouldn't get attacked, but that stuff wouldn't stick with her. In fact, it would probably help her because people would play the sexism card.

[SmackDaddy 30]

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Originally posted by WPMagic:

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Originally posted by WPMagic:

Are you reading it here? http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

 

Smack?

 

The problem is that his policies regarding business fundamentally contradict themselves.

 

Capital gains taxes will be cut while cost for wages, pensions, health care, etc will all rise dramatically. So basically he's willing to take away one expense and replace it with a much larger mandated employee related expense.

 

Further, he says he is willing to eliminate capital gains for small businesses, but considering how much that tax currently contributes to federal coffers, I seriously doubt it is possible in the current environment. As I just queried, how will either candidate ACTUALLY implement tax cuts considering the current state of our economy and the outrageous expenses and need for further expense?

 

 

PLain and simple Obama will target businesses. He feels business should fund the entire country. He calls it the rich but it is business and those businesses actually employ the middle class he talks about. So when he says he will cut taxes on the middle class, I guess he is taking into account that after he raises taxes on business that many middle class folks are going to lose thier jobs therefore they will pay less taxes and then they will beg for socialism.

[Ned Ryerson 94]

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Originally posted by SmackDaddy:

quote:

Originally posted by WPMagic:

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Originally posted by WPMagic:

Are you reading it here? http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

 

Smack?

 

The problem is that his policies regarding business fundamentally contradict themselves.

 

Capital gains taxes will be cut while cost for wages, pensions, health care, etc will all rise dramatically. So basically he's willing to take away one expense and replace it with a much larger mandated employee related expense.

 

Further, he says he is willing to eliminate capital gains for small businesses, but considering how much that tax currently contributes to federal coffers, I seriously doubt it is possible in the current environment. As I just queried, how will either candidate ACTUALLY implement tax cuts considering the current state of our economy and the outrageous expenses and need for further expense?

 

 

PLain and simple Obama will target businesses. He feels business should fund the entire country. He calls it the rich but it is business and those businesses actually employ the middle class he talks about. So when he says he will cut taxes on the middle class, I guess he is taking into account that after he raises taxes on business that many middle class folks are going to lose thier jobs therefore they will pay less taxes and then they will beg for socialism.

 

I'm looking for sources Smack.

[KillingInTheNameOf 63]

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Originally posted by Kberto:

Yes, she was criticized by her health care proposal in the 90's, but would people openly be calling her a socialist or marxist? Don't think so.

 

I'm not saying she wouldn't get attacked, but that stuff wouldn't stick with her. In fact, it would probably help her because people would play the sexism card.

 

I'm sorry, your claim just doesn't wash with history. People like to pretend Hillary was this popular figure as first lady, she wasn't. Her approval rating during the Clinton admin was W. low. After her failed reform of health care, she spent 6 years in the shadows recovering from the labels Newt put on her for attempting to socialize health care.

 

What this shows it that Americans have very short memories, little else.

[Ned Ryerson 94]

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Originally posted by KillingInTheNameOf:

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Originally posted by Kberto:

Yes, she was criticized by her health care proposal in the 90's, but would people openly be calling her a socialist or marxist? Don't think so.

 

I'm not saying she wouldn't get attacked, but that stuff wouldn't stick with her. In fact, it would probably help her because people would play the sexism card.

 

I'm sorry, your claim just doesn't wash with history. People like to pretend Hillary was this popular figure as first lady, she wasn't. Her approval rating during the Clinton admin was W. low. After her failed reform of health care, she spent 6 years in the shadows recovering from the labels Newt put on her for attempting to socialize health care.

 

What this shows it that Americans have very short memories, little else.

 

Really?

 

 

W

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[Berto 338]

quote:

Originally posted by KillingInTheNameOf:

quote:

Originally posted by Kberto:

Yes, she was criticized by her health care proposal in the 90's, but would people openly be calling her a socialist or marxist? Don't think so.

 

I'm not saying she wouldn't get attacked, but that stuff wouldn't stick with her. In fact, it would probably help her because people would play the sexism card.

 

I'm sorry, your claim just doesn't wash with history. People like to pretend Hillary was this popular figure as first lady, she wasn't. Her approval rating during the Clinton admin was W. low. After her failed reform of health care, she spent 6 years in the shadows recovering from the labels Newt put on her for attempting to socialize health care.

 

What this shows it that Americans have very short memories, little else.

 

The problem with that is health care has become a winner for the democrats. Trying to associate her as a socilaist for that wouldn't stick in my opinion.

 

Plus Hillary has alwats been popular with people out side the right wing.

[Berto 338]

Obama is running ads in Arizona. That's very interesting to say the least.

[KillingInTheNameOf 63]

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Originally posted by WPMagic:

Really?

 

I have a pretty wicked memory and I'm 99.9% sure her approval rating was sub 30%. I'm insanely busy right now, check back monday, I'm sure I'll find something to support this! Being victimized by the Lewinski scandal is the only thing that revitalized her political ambitions.

[Ned Ryerson 94]

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Originally posted by KillingInTheNameOf:

quote:

Originally posted by WPMagic:

Really?

 

I have a pretty wicked memory and I'm 99.9% sure her approval rating was sub 30%. I'm insanely busy right now, check back monday, I'm sure I'll find something to support this! Being victimized by the Lewinski scandal is the only thing that revitalized her political ambitions.

 

From Wiki:

 

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The First Lady's approval ratings, which had generally been in the high-50s percent range during her first year, fell to 44 percent in April 1994 and 35 percent by September 1994.[135] Republicans made the Clinton health care plan a major campaign issue of the 1994 midterm elections,[136] which saw a net Republican gain of fifty-three seats in the House election and seven in the Senate election, winning control of both; many analysts and pollsters found the plan to be a major factor in the Democrats' defeat, especially among independent voters.[137] Opponents of universal health care would continue to use "Hillarycare" as a pejorative label for similar plans by others.[138]

 

So it declined with her healthcare efforts, but not to W levels. And it did play significant role in the 94 midterm elections. Just how much, I'm not sure.

[SmackDaddy 30]

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Originally posted by WPMagic:

I'm looking for sources Smack.

 

How about a successful, informed business owner?

[KillingInTheNameOf 63]

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Originally posted by WPMagic:

 

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The First Lady's approval ratings, which had generally been in the high-50s percent range during her first year, fell to 44 percent in April 1994 and 35 percent by September 1994.[135] Republicans made the Clinton health care plan a major campaign issue of the 1994 midterm elections,[136] which saw a net Republican gain of fifty-three seats in the House election and seven in the Senate election, winning control of both; many analysts and pollsters found the plan to be a major factor in the Democrats' defeat, especially among independent voters.[137] Opponents of universal health care would continue to use "Hillarycare" as a pejorative label for similar plans by others.[138]

 

So it declined with her healthcare efforts, but not to W levels. And it did play significant role in the 94 midterm elections. Just how much, I'm not sure.

 

That at least gets me in the ball park, lol. Appreciate your interest in the truth.

 

For the record, I don't think she was a primary reason for the Republican revolution at all. Her failed attempt at health care was one of many issues that lead to that.

 

Clinton probably started sealing the fait of his fellow Dems the day he took office and made gays in the milatary his first priority. Not the smartest political move he ever made.

[Ned Ryerson 94]

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Originally posted by SmackDaddy:

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Originally posted by WPMagic:

I'm looking for sources Smack.

 

How about a successful, informed business owner?

 

You said you read Obama's economic plan. Give me a link so I can make sure I'm looking at the same thing you are!

 

You said that you read something about how much taxes Obama pays. Do you know where you read that?

 

I'm not saying you are wrong, I just want to look into it!