The Road to the White House

[SmackDaddy 30]

A tax cut includes tens of billions of dollars in government handouts that are disguised by the phrase 'tax credit'

[SmackDaddy 30]

It's unfortunate that the "change" that Mr. Obama is advocating is reliant on the tendency of resentment and envy of those that are perceived to be successful. Treating citizens differently based on the socio-economic standing is something that we should be opposing, rather than striving to achieve.

 

I long for the days when our government lives up to the promise held out in the 14th Amendment, where we are promised "equal protection of the laws".

[Berto 338]

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Originally posted by SmackDaddy:

It's unfortunate that the "change" that Mr. Obama is advocating is reliant on the tendency of resentment and envy of those that are perceived to be successful. Treating citizens differently based on the socio-economic standing is something that we should be opposing, rather than striving to achieve.

 

I long for the days when our government lives up to the promise held out in the 14th Amendment, where we are promised "equal protection of the laws".

 

Barack Obama must hate himself than considering how successful he's been. You can't make that argument against a guy that had to work really hard tp get where's he at. He doesn't hate success, he just has a different philosophy then you.

[TheREALBrooksThompson 157]

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Originally posted by SmackDaddy:

 

FYI, according to the US Census Bureau, incomes lower than $250,000 equates to 98.5% of the population - not 95%.

 

I've heard something about there being a different plan for those between $200,000 and $250,000. Phil Hendrie had someone from the Obama campaign on last night and she said that the taxes probably won't have a noticeable change in that range. This may or may not account for that discrepancy, I don't know.

[Berto 338]

Are you against a progressive tax system all together or what? What's your proposal? A flat tax? How could that ever work? It wouldn't.

 

Smack you're trying to pain Obama as some crazy left winger that will ruin everything. He's practicing in opportunism. He's trying to get elected. He knows he can't doing everything he wants, but he has to win first.

[Ned Ryerson 94]

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Originally posted by WPMagic:

Are you reading it here? http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

 

Smack?

[SmackDaddy 30]

How will either candidate will be able to deliver on any tax cuts? Social Security is underfunded, Medicare/Medicaid is underfunded, the unfunded retirement liabilities of state and federal agencies and departments are in the billions (New York City alone is estimated at 80 billion in unfunded pension liabilities), we have a war in Iraq to continue financing, our nation's transportation infrastructure - bridges, highways and air traffic control systems - all need upgrading, and on top of this we the taxpayers who live within our means and pay our mortgages faithfully get to bail out a bunch of people who gambled fortunes and lost or took deals too good to be true. I'd love to see either candidate address how they plan to pay for all that AND cut our taxes.

[Berto 338]

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Originally posted by SmackDaddy:

How will either candidate will be able to deliver on any tax cuts? Social Security is underfunded, Medicare/Medicaid is underfunded, the unfunded retirement liabilities of state and federal agencies and departments are in the billions (New York City alone is estimated at 80 billion in unfunded pension liabilities), we have a war in Iraq to continue financing, our nation's transportation infrastructure - bridges, highways and air traffic control systems - all need upgrading, and on top of this we the taxpayers who live within our means and pay our mortgages faithfully get to bail out a bunch of people who gambled fortunes and lost or took deals too good to be true. I'd love to see either candidate address how they plan to pay for all that AND cut our taxes.

 

Good question. The problem is nobody knows. But I think getting rid of tax breaks for oil companies and ending the war in Iraq is a good start. John McCain won't do either.

[SmackDaddy 30]

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Originally posted by Kberto:

Barack Obama must hate himself than considering how successful he's been. You can't make that argument against a guy that had to work really hard tp get where's he at. He doesn't hate success, he just has a different philosophy then you.

 

First, Barack hasn't even subscribed to his own philosophies regarding wealth redistribution. Matter of fact, I read somewhere, that among all four candidates on the major ticket that he paid the smallest percentage of income taxes and made the smallest percentage of charitable donations.

 

Second, I was refering to the masses that he is stirring up regarding the resentment of the wealthy, not his own personal belief.

[Ned Ryerson 94]

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First, Barack hasn't even subscribed to his own philosophies regarding wealth redistribution. Matter of fact, I read somewhere, that among all four candidates on the major ticket that he paid the smallest percentage of income taxes and made the smallest percentage of charitable donations.

 

By any chance can you find that?

[Berto 338]

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Originally posted by SmackDaddy:

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Originally posted by Kberto:

Barack Obama must hate himself than considering how successful he's been. You can't make that argument against a guy that had to work really hard tp get where's he at. He doesn't hate success, he just has a different philosophy then you.

 

First, Barack hasn't even subscribed to his own philosophies regarding wealth redistribution. Matter of fact, I read somewhere, that among all four candidates on the major ticket that he paid the smallest percentage of income taxes and made the smallest percentage of charitable donations.

 

Second, I was refering to the masses that he is stirring up regarding the resentment of the wealthy, not his own personal belief.

 

To your first point, Barack didn't become wealthy until he made those book deals. He was paying off student loans not to long ago. He didn't have John Kerry money to throw around. And besides that, I don't even know if what you said is accurate or not.

 

Second point, it's a resentment towards greed from corporations and wall street. Most people don't hate the rich, they want to be rich. But when a ceo drives his company to the ground while collective a 20 million dollar check, people get angry. When exonn mobile makes record profits in this economy, people get angry. I think there's a difference.

[KillingInTheNameOf 63]

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Originally posted by Kberto:

 

But come on, all this "he's a socialist," "marxist," "who is this guy," it's all code words. That stuff sticks because he's black.

 

Do you honestly believe McCain would be calling Hillary a socialist if she were the nominee? Of course not. He'd be laughed at.

 

 

Really? I guess you forgot Hillary's effort to "reform" health care and the criticism it received from both sides of the aisle???

 

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People in this country don't really know what socialism is, or communism. But when you sling terms like that around with a black candidate with the middle name Hussein, it works.

 

I kind of rambled there so they me put it this way. Barack is basically running on the Bill Clinton economic plan. Most independents still like Clinton and they feel he did a good job. But yet when barack says it, some how it's different.

 

Obama's econmic plan is pretty much the democratic platform at this point. But democrats will make huge strides in congress. Yet, the strategy is to still paint Barack as the mystery man. Trust me, if it was Hillary with the same message, she'd be up by 10+ points.

 

If Hillary were running, the Republicans would attack with 10x more ferocity!

 

Regarding race...I'll lump this all in together...

 

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2) Race. The reason I say this is if you were to look at all the claims towards Obama. I'm not talking about the obvious racism, but all of these economic claims like socialist, Marxist, etc. I mean, look at the last 10 pages of this thread and the discussion has been a lot about poor black people (I'm not calling Smack or KITNO or anyone else racist here, I'm just showing where the debate has led). How often does Obama talk about the actual poor anymore? Hell, look at his half hour spot the other day. Every family, including the black family, was middle class. You would think that John Edwards were running for president the way the discourse has gone. When is the last time Obama has, other then maybe a line here and there, really talked about Katrina? Yet, for some reason, the thought of the poor black American is being talked about...

 

I've personally never confused political rhetoric with political positions. Obama addresses the middle class because the middle class is what determines elections.

 

Now economic & politic terms are buzz words for racism? That's the convenient position of Dems. You can't oppose anything without being a racist, homophobe, or sexist.

 

Is race an issue in this election? I've repeatedly said it is, but not in this respect.

 

Personally, I have an issue with out of control entitlement & welfare spending. I have an issue with the dependency state we have created in this country and the burden it puts on our economy & families. The primary beneficiary of these expenditures are not blacks. But, make no mistake about, I have just as big a problem with those who are. For one to draw that conclusion speaks to their subconscience, not mine.

 

I have a huge issue with illegal immigration as well. Yes, I'm aware, that also makes me a racist. Don't tell me son or fiance, they might not like me anymore if they knew...lol