2024 NBA Draft Thread

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26 minutes ago, smd_swagswag said:

well do you think riscaser should be studying footage from those 4 players? 

I don't really care what footage Risacher studies.

You brought up the Sacramento Kings with relation to MPJ and I was pointing out that even in a re-draft he wouldn't be top 5 so it was a random thing to say. 

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Maybe you missed him.. But imo Ivisic has the chance to be the best center (pure center) of this draft.. Hopefully he’ll get a chance, but he’ll make a great impact in nba draft workouts for sure.. He’ll be a late riser.. 

Risacher is also not going number one. If there is a surprise, then i see Topić..

 

But honestly, this draft is weak on the superstar upside prospects.. I don’t see a clear Top 5 order..

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23 minutes ago, CTMagicUK said:

I don't really care what footage Risacher studies.

You brought up the Sacramento Kings with relation to MPJ and I was pointing out that even in a re-draft he wouldn't be top 5 so it was a random thing to say. 

well I'd argue that a re-draft is COMPLETE FANTASY.. Has a redraft ever happened once?  or is it like the tooth fairy and santa claus.. so I'd argue that even having a conversation about a 'redraft' like it holds weight, i'd argue thats a random thing to say.

 

I'm a big player development guy.. I'm worried about moves and practice and footwork and stuff like that, confidence. the whole like cookie cutter personnel thing, i dont like to engage on that stuff til the summer..

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16 minutes ago, orlandoholic said:

Maybe you missed him.. But imo Ivisic has the chance to be the best center (pure center) of this draft.. Hopefully he’ll get a chance, but he’ll make a great impact in nba draft workouts for sure.. He’ll be a late riser.. 

Risacher is also not going number one. If there is a surprise, then i see Topić..

 

But honestly, this draft is weak on the superstar upside prospects.. I don’t see a clear Top 5 order..

Well Ivisic was in last years draft pool.. and I'm a kentucky fan.. We're waiting on him to be cleared... Aaron Bradshaw just debuted..

 

I do agree he's got plenty of room to climb... I dont see the need to put him on the list when he's not cleared yet, lets see him in action first..

 

 

But I did a very thorough inspection of Ivisic and his footage, my serbian friend is a big fan of his, last summer and he looks good, I've even watched his brother play too... he runs well hes 7'2 with long arms and tall standing reach, and he can truly shoot the ball.. so very interesting..

 

No one said Risacher is going #1!!  you guys are putting words in my mouth... its DECEMBER 3rd! of course you dont see a clear top5 NO ONE DOES -- ITS DECEMBER 3rd! Whats with all the finality? were talking redrafts and whos #1...  Orlando would be picking 27th!

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49 minutes ago, smd_swagswag said:

well I'd argue that a re-draft is COMPLETE FANTASY.. Has a redraft ever happened once?  or is it like the tooth fairy and santa claus.. so I'd argue that even having a conversation about a 'redraft' like it holds weight, i'd argue thats a random thing to say.

 

Dude, you brought it up that they should have picked MPJ not me.

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Cody Williams is playing GREAT once again! how bout this ****! he's like a totally different player than what we saw for Team USA this summer on that DISASTER of a FIBA squad that didnt even medal.. This player is lottery bound, i mean he sure looks like a lottery pick playing like this... and there was lots of question of if he's gonna ready for this draft or it was a 2-and-done situation ---- HE LOOKS READY. (this footage is from 3 days ago ill post todays highlights when their posted game is at halftime now)

 

But he's made another 3.. so he's actually like 5/9 on the season.. but the footage is spectacular... Really no one has moved up the board like him in the past week or 2... Seems to be quickly cementing a spot in the lotto if you ask me.. or making a strong claim..

 

For those uninitiated, he's Jalen Williams brother, who starts for the Thunder and was 1st team all rookie and is a heck of a player, now Cody is different, Jalen was a 4 year college player who was projected outside of the top60 for the entire college season and then he got TONS of hype post-season with the combine and he ended up in the lottery.. 

 

But Jalen is like 6'5 with crazy long arms... Cody is 6'8 with long arms.. and cody is a competent playmaker, he can get downhill thats really his game on offense though he can do a bit of everything...

 

but even though its super low volume the 3pt shooting is very encouraging ----- he's just one of these players who looks ADVANCED for his age... he is, trust me, look at his shot selection, he's pretty good, its very encouraging..

 

This player is out of our range.. Its just night and day from that dreadful Team USA team...

 

Da Silva hasnt missed a shot in this game either, he's good, and ive even seen their PG KJ Simpson getting some draft hype. They are so much fun to watch when Williams is playing great though.  He might not be a star in the NBA but at this level of play he's got starpower for sure.

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1 hour ago, smd_swagswag said:

Well Ivisic was in last years draft pool.. and I'm a kentucky fan.. We're waiting on him to be cleared... Aaron Bradshaw just debuted..

 

I do agree he's got plenty of room to climb... I dont see the need to put him on the list when he's not cleared yet, lets see him in action first..

 

 

But I did a very thorough inspection of Ivisic and his footage, my serbian friend is a big fan of his, last summer and he looks good, I've even watched his brother play too... he runs well hes 7'2 with long arms and tall standing reach, and he can truly shoot the ball.. so very interesting..

 

No one said Risacher is going #1!!  you guys are putting words in my mouth... its DECEMBER 3rd! of course you dont see a clear top5 NO ONE DOES -- ITS DECEMBER 3rd! Whats with all the finality? were talking redrafts and whos #1...  Orlando would be picking 27th!

you had Risacher number 1 on your board literally today. And mentioned you had him number 2 couple of weeks ago.. 
 

Of course in every draft, early in the season there is a projected top 3 or even Top 5 that doesn’t change too much. They might change in order but the top 5 is mostly visible early on.. 

Also you missing some names on your list.. It’s just my opinion. Dual out of Providence and Bronny gonna be first round picks..

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3 hours ago, smd_swagswag said:

They'd have been way better off taking MPJ #2... and reportedly thats what Vlade Divac wanted to do, the gm.. hahah and they overrode him and he got **** on for the pick he didnt want to make.. thats what i've heard..

 

This was a story about a PREDRAFT RUMOR...

 

PRE DRAFT

 

that was the rumor...

 

because you chose to read it like it was a RE-DRAFT comment, thats called NARRATIVE BIAS... I was TELLING A PRE-DRAFT STORY... that story was known BEFORE THE DRAFT OCCURRED..

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38 minutes ago, orlandoholic said:

you had Risacher number 1 on your board literally today. And mentioned you had him number 2 couple of weeks ago.. 
 

Of course in every draft, early in the season there is a projected top 3 or even Top 5 that doesn’t change too much. They might change in order but the top 5 is mostly visible early on.. 

Also you missing some names on your list.. It’s just my opinion. Dual out of Providence and Bronny gonna be first round picks..

Did you see Dual punch someone a few weeks ago?

He's a good player I agree he's a 1st rd talent from what I've seen on court..

 

 

 

this was a bad look though.. I had him on the bigboard i did weeks ago in the 1st but then he did this and i was like "lets wait and see"

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I mean if I was here posting all season this thread would be 50 pages already btw.. so I found it odd i was being needled by people about the players in question, when I dont really see too many posts about the games said players in question are playing... no offense but it seems like yall are working with 2nd hand info..

 

cuz I have 8 screens I watch games and highlights from.. I watched Pascal Siakam play 40 games at New Mexico State was telling everyone hes my favorite player in college(to which filthy casuals rolled their eyes), most people are media parrots compared to me , so forgive me if i dont immediately just give everyone the benefit of the doubt that they know better, cuz it could be some 12 year old child who lacks context -- right? I watch probably 2,000 basketball games a season at many different levels of play for many many years, i've got grey hairs but I can still dunk... I've actually been known to be quite accurate about a few things, but thats because i have whats called A VESTED INTEREST, this dude arguing with me on the other hand "DOESNT CARE" or whatever he said, and is needling me about RE-DRAFTS which is something I dont deal in, because theres no actionable information to be gained from re-draft convos...

 

but we'll see... this is an inexact science..  The re-draft woulda shoulda coulda convos, I've participated in one, and I'll never participate in another.. I retire.. I'm just here to talk about the players. I wont even actually mention how they fit on NBA teams again, to avoid confusion. I retire from that too.. Very unpleasant.

 

but ill do like 100 updates to the mock... i find it odd your all up in arms about a big board in early december.. cuz thats the reason i throw these together, in hopes to make them more accurate as the season goes on, and they will be.. If you know someone whos got a perfect bigboard here in december you should be writing letters to the magic to hire them and that you found a goose who ****s golden eggs..

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When I had De'Aaron Fox #1 on my board over Fultz people FOUGHT ME TOOTH AND NAIL OVER IT..  True story! Lakers fans were in full agreeance that I was an idiot for suggesting Tatum at 2 over Lonzo.

 

Now full disclosure Fultz did end up convincing me he was #1 aswell.. BUT I had Tatum #2 and Fox#3 and that was way better than everyone else cuz they had Lonzo 2...

 

I never had Ben Simmons #1 on my board a single time, from predraft to draft, I ALWAYS HAD BRANDON INGRAM ---- AND -- JAMAL MURRAY HIGHER ---- and an entire forum full of people (much more active than this place) chided me for going against the status quo... and I was right... Also had Jamal Murray over Buddy Hield the entire season --- WHICH WAS ALSO VERY UNPOPULAR..

 

 

And I was sitting there talking about JAMAL MURRAY's STEPBAKC OVER AND OVER and his footwork the old "I dont care comment from the guy above"... and thats how people were when I'd say that about Jamal Murray too!.

 

So im very amused.. i'm looking for haters..fishing for them... I'm not here to make friends. I'm my own biggest critic, your needling of my opinions is unsophisticated compared to how i needle my own opinions, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.. I'm a gambler and I like to win, so i do whats called DUE DILIGENCE.

 

but thats how it is, when you have an opinion that flies in the face of what ESPN says, you become a pariah quickly..

 

Malcolm X said it best

 

" The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. "

 

and I truly believe ESPN and the powers that be want to dumb you down to hand you over to the casinos... Thats adam silvers legacy as the commish, he normalized gambling.

 

Thats what fascinates me about this stuff.. I like the NBA draft better than the NBA finals.. The way the media manipulates this event is whats captivated my attention.. agents out here spreading bad rumors... espns a puppet for gambling houses..

Whats particularly fascinating about this years combine is its gonna be new rules, the lotto picks arent going to be able to avoid participating so the combine is gonna be high stakes for everyone now which is cool.. but really thats how it should've been for decades..

 

[CTMagicUK 1,491]

7 hours ago, smd_swagswag said:

I mean if I was here posting all season this thread would be 50 pages already btw.. so I found it odd i was being needled by people about the players in question, when I dont really see too many posts about the games said players in question are playing... no offense but it seems like yall are working with 2nd hand info..

 

You are posting about prospects, so we asked questions about your opinions. That is literally the purpose of a forum. Nobody is needling you. If you don't want discussion why are you posting? 

You don't really see too many posts about games played because this is primarily an Orlando Magic forum and we have playoff aspirations so naturally very few people are interested in the draft. I created the thread because I am interested, I asked you questions because I am interested, other people asked you questions because they are interested. 

I'm sorry I'm not interested in the tape Risacher watches, it had nothing to do with the discussion I was trying to have, and it has nothing to do with him as a prospect realistically the same way watching LeBron tape won't magically make Paolo Banchero, LeBron James. 

I can't explain to you how much I don't care who you had number 1 on your board 5 years ago. I do not care. It does not make me think more of you and your opinions since I have no way to verify that those were in fact your opinions and you're a stranger on the internet (and just for the avoidance of all doubt, even if I could verify those opinions, I wouldn't care). Furthermore the fact that you feel the need to bring up your opinions from years ago to support your opinions now only makes me believe in your current opinions less because it's giving insecure. 

The "I'm looking for haters" stuff, because you've been asked questions on a forum is baffling. I don't know about others but "I don't care what you guys think" works a hell of a lot less on me when it's spread across two impassioned, essay length, posts. 

The Malcolm X quote is hilarious. It is not that serious. 

I'm sorry that you think we're dumb and unsophisticated philistines who parrot media takes. I'm sorry we didn't all bow down to your abundant knowledge and say "oh great one thanks for blessing us with your scouting genius". That's not how life works. 

Look, you showed up here, posted twenty times in this thread and we presumed that was for discussion purposes. But it's incredibly clear to me that you're not looking for discussion you're looking for validation and for a place to dump all your scouting insights. Substack exists. Blogs, still, exist. Twitter exists. Communities commited to the intricacies of NBA scouting exist. We're a small (and yes not super active), Orlando Magic forum dedicated primarily to discussion of the, surprise surprise, Orlando Magic and you're somehow surprised that we only discuss the NBA draft as a hobby? Please, get some perspective.