Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 the point isn't these guys are terrible players. The point is that these guys are flawed players that you don't invest too much in. Fournier is fine for what he is which is a complimentary shooter. Lavine is fine for what he is which is a gap scorer, the walmart brand version of James Harden. Maybe a 6th man. Maybe fine doing exactly what Fournier does. And sure, he's 21 and sure that's nothing in the grand scheme of things but at the end of next season you're going to have to determine if he's potentially worth 4 years and 110 million. How many questions will he have answered by then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Air Gordon 156 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 the point isn't these guys are terrible players. The point is that these guys are flawed players that you don't invest too much in. Fournier is fine for what he is which is a complimentary shooter. Lavine is fine for what he is which is a gap scorer, the walmart brand version of James Harden. Maybe a 6th man. Maybe fine doing exactly what Fournier does. And sure, he's 21 and sure that's nothing in the grand scheme of things but at the end of next season you're going to have to determine if he's potentially worth 4 years and 110 million. How many questions will he have answered by then? The +/- stats with Fournier on and off the court is really interesting considering he's the only real shooting guard currently getting playing time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 The +/- stats with Fournier on and off the court is really interesting considering he's the only real shooting guard currently getting playing time. lineups that have Watson at SG are really effective for whatever reason. I guess he just plays good defense and doesn't take too many shots to screw things up on offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rekraprovert 6 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 lineups that have Watson at SG are really effective for whatever reason. I guess he just plays good defense and doesn't take too many shots to screw things up on offense. I have a feeling that lineups with Meeks might be some of our most efficient for that same reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 I have a feeling that lineups with Meeks might be some of our most efficient for that same reason. depends entirely on his defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rekraprovert 6 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 depends entirely on his defense. Of course. I'm hopeful that the positive impact he'll have on offense will result in an overall net improvement, even if he's not our best perimeter defender. I trust Vogel to make things work on the defensive end with him in there. And as we know, increased efficiency on offense directly effects success at the defensive end. I don't think he's going to turn us into a contender by any means, but I'm optimistic about the effect he'll have. But I've been disappointed before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,422 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 the point isn't these guys are terrible players. The point is that these guys are flawed players that you don't invest too much in. Fournier is fine for what he is which is a complimentary shooter. Lavine is fine for what he is which is a gap scorer, the walmart brand version of James Harden. Maybe a 6th man. Maybe fine doing exactly what Fournier does. And sure, he's 21 and sure that's nothing in the grand scheme of things but at the end of next season you're going to have to determine if he's potentially worth 4 years and 110 million. How many questions will he have answered by then? I hear what you are saying but I'm suggesting our gm and coach see something you don't see in Fournier. Additionally, I'd gladly take a flier on Lavine for Ibaka and give it a year and a half. While Ibaka is balling now, I don't want to sign him to a huge contract this summer. With Lavine, I'd run: PG: Payton SG: Lavine SF: Fournier PF: Gordon C: Biz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fan for too long 2 535 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 Lavine is fournier if Evan played above the rim and more athletic. I would take him and hope Vogel can get him to play acceptable d. In my mind he has more potential than anybody on our team. Because his stroke is miles above Gordon's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rekraprovert 6 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 Lavine is fournier if Evan played above the rim and more athletic. I would take him and hope Vogel can get him to play acceptable d. In my mind he has more potential than anybody on our team. Because his stroke is miles above Gordon's. You've got to think that his athleticism gives him more potential on the defensive end than Evan. I'd definitely do a swap of Ibaka for Lavine and see what Vogel can get out of him. If he shows commitment to being an all around player then resign him, if not, let him go. With Evan, we already know what we have. We're at the point where we'll need to take some chances and hope that our recent luck turns around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,422 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 Serious question: what are the floors and ceilings of Lavine and Wiggins? The Wolves are really struggling and look like they have to make a move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 Serious question: what are the floors and ceilings of Lavine and Wiggins? The Wolves are really struggling and look like they have to make a move. Lavine's ceiling is all star. Lavine's floor is Marcus Thornton. Wiggins ceiling is all star Wiggins floor is rudy gay. There's no way in hell they trade Wiggins. For anything less than a top 10 nba player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,422 Report post Posted December 3, 2016 Lavine's ceiling is all star. Lavine's floor is Marcus Thornton. Wiggins ceiling is all star Wiggins floor is rudy gay. There's no way in hell they trade Wiggins. For anything less than a top 10 nba player. Crazy thing is Wiggins doesn't look that good. Nor are his numbers that good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
