2016-2017 Season Discussion Thread

[fan for too long 2 534]

I disagree. I think squeaking into the playoffs is fine -- playoff basketball is necessary for young talent to develop and become hungrier for next season. Losing stunts development. Getting there also makes us more respectable in FA

Not when the youth of your team is riding the pine they aren't learning much. And 8 seeds are not drawing big free agents.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

Not when the youth of your team is riding the pine they aren't learning much. And 8 seeds are not drawing big free agents.

 

eh, an 8 seed you can at least bring to a meeting the "we're one player away and you're that player" pitch.

[fan for too long 2 534]

eh, an 8 seed you can at least bring to a meeting the "we're one player away and you're that player" pitch.

Can you give examples of 7 or 8 seeds getting that? It's a nice idea not sure if that's reality. And as of right now our vets with exception of ibaka, are not leading us to even an 8 seed.

[Soul Bro 1,422]

eh, an 8 seed you can at least bring to a meeting the "we're one player away and you're that player" pitch.

Lol. Come on.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

Can you give examples of 7 or 8 seeds getting that? It's a nice idea not sure if that's reality. And as of right now our vets with exception of ibaka, are not leading us to even an 8 seed.

 

its hard to find any the last 5 years because most examples are Houston (which had a complete but underachieving team) and Dallas (I think their "look, we won a title in recent memory" pitch was better). I also ignored most western conference years because a 50 win 8th seed isn't the same thing as a 40-42 team. but here's a few:

 

the 10-11 pacers getting the 8th seed, the following year signing david west.

the 08-09 pistons used that method to sign ben Gordon and Charlie vilanueva. they just turned into bad players.

07-08 philly signed Elton brand the following season. Brand at the time was still a commodity.

we got rashard lewis in 06-07

05-06 Chicago got ben Wallace

[Soul Bro 1,422]

If our hope is to attract a top free agent this coming summer, we are set for serious disappointment. Payton4thewin, weren't you supporting Henny with the trade of Harris because it would give us the opportunity to sign two max free agents this past summer. How did that work out? Furthermore, you seem to be contradicting your own recent comments about the best way to achieve sustainable success is through drafting. So which direction do you want?

[Magicman28 295]

There's not even "that one guy away" FA. Outside of Blake and Curry, they're all role players who aren't moving the needle.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

If our hope is to attract a top free agent this coming summer, we are set for serious disappointment. Payton4thewin, weren't you supporting Henny with the trade of Harris because it would give us the opportunity to sign two max free agents this past summer. How did that work out? Furthermore, you seem to be contradicting your own recent comments about the best way to achieve sustainable success is through drafting. So which direction do you want?

 

the best way to achieve sustainable success is through drafting.

 

This franchise/fanbase doesn't have the stomach for that based on the moves we made

 

Where we're at, we're too good to tank. What if Vogel doesn't want to tank? What if vogel is too good of a coach to tank and he can pull any team to 33 wins or so.

 

We have a roster with some level of talent and one player we have some hope for significant improvement. We don't need to hope for an elite player in free agency. we just hope for a third tier point guard that can push us from a 7-10 seed to a 4-7 seed. then we use that success and accumulation of assets to push for a bigger trade later like Houston did with Harden. That's the path now. Unless the franchise/fanbase suddenly finds multiple 18-22 win seasons palatable when they didn't find a mid 20's season palatable two years ago.

[Magicman28 295]

the best way to achieve sustainable success is through drafting.

 

This franchise/fanbase doesn't have the stomach for that based on the moves we made

 

Where we're at, we're too good to tank. What if Vogel doesn't want to tank? What if vogel is too good of a coach to tank and he can pull any team to 33 wins or so.

 

We have a roster with some level of talent and one player we have some hope for significant improvement. We don't need to hope for an elite player in free agency. we just hope for a third tier point guard that can push us from a 7-10 seed to a 4-7 seed. then we use that success and accumulation of assets to push for a bigger trade later like Houston did with Harden. That's the path now. Unless the franchise/fanbase suddenly finds multiple 18-22 win seasons palatable when they didn't find a mid 20's season palatable two years ago.

 

 

You love you some Jrue Holiday man. He's your savior lol

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

You love you some Jrue Holiday man. He's your savior lol

 

or George hill.

 

or hell, even Jeff Teague.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

we have to win 28 more games. we have 34 games left against our "peers" we have 52 games left.

 

"But P4TW we just lost by 30. we suck!"

 

Milwaukee lost to Toronto by 22 last week

Chicago lost to Milwaukee by 26 on Friday

The knicks lost to Cleveland by 32 two weeks ago

Indiana lost to golden state by 36 two weeks ago

Atlanta lost to Toronto by 44 and to Detroit by 36 in back to back games this month

Detroit lost to Chicago by 31 last night

Portland lost to golden state by 45 on Saturday

Sacramento lost to dallas by 30 and Houston by 34 in two of the last 3 games

 

we suck just as much as the other teams we have to beat

[Mauro Pedrosa 1,033]

We have a stretch of winnable games (about 8) so now is not the time to start tanking.