magicblue 315 Report post Posted July 31, 2016 I disagree. There's a difference between having a bad team and losing intentionally Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted July 31, 2016 I disagree. There's a difference between having a bad team and losing intentionally We purposefully obtained young players and use cap room for asset acquisition with the idea that those young players would grow and lose because young teams always lose. We also strategically held players out of games when we started to win. This is why afflalo miraculously missed the final 12 games of 2013 in order to secure the worst record. We held guys out longer than they needed to in order to push for better draft picks Losing intentionally is illegal. Creating a situation where losses are more likely than wins is tanking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicblue 315 Report post Posted July 31, 2016 We purposefully obtained young players and use cap room for asset acquisition with the idea that those young players would grow and lose because young teams always lose. We also strategically held players out of games when we started to win. This is why afflalo miraculously missed the final 12 games of 2013 in order to secure the worst record. We held guys out longer than they needed to in order to push for better draft picks Losing intentionally is illegal. Creating a situation where losses are more likely than wins is tanking I see it as a complete rebuild rather than tanking. We could have gone after vets and tried to win 25-35 games but that would have been stupid. Our team wasn't good whether by design or not, and we would have only been a shade better overpaying decent vets because no one wanted to come here for a bottom up rebuild Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted July 31, 2016 I see it as a complete rebuild rather than tanking. We could have gone after vets and tried to win 25-35 games but that would have been stupid. Our team wasn't good whether by design or not, and we would have only been a shade better overpaying decent vets because no one wanted to come here for a bottom up rebuild What you're describing is taking though. If that's not tanking, nobody is tanking. Philly did the same thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicblue 315 Report post Posted July 31, 2016 What you're describing is taking though. If that's not tanking, nobody is tanking. Philly did the same thing Okay then it's what I said because to me tanking implies losing intentionally. We were rebuilding and sucked but we didn't lose intentionally...we were just legitimately terrible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjgator 164 Report post Posted July 31, 2016 ROFL http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17186272/draymond-green-golden-state-warriors-apologizes-picture-penis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Franchise408 116 Report post Posted July 31, 2016 We also tanked for Dwight fwiw. Tanking is smart. Not really. We were stuck in the worst portion of the Grant Hill saga, and T-Mac was left to shoulder the load all on his own. We sucked by circumstance, not by design. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Franchise408 116 Report post Posted July 31, 2016 Okay then it's what I said because to me tanking implies losing intentionally. We were rebuilding and sucked but we didn't lose intentionally...we were just legitimately terrible This. Losing due to circumstance, because of injury, because of loss of players, I can get behind. That's not tanking. The team may suck, but you're still trying. Losing by design, intentionally making yourself as bad as possible to secure better draft picks, I absolutely will not endorse under any circumstances. Also, neglecting to sign mediocre veterans because they won't make you better long term and will hinder your long term objectives, is not tanking. Keeping your players out when they are healthy so that you can lose more games, is tanking, and is entirely unacceptable in my view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted July 31, 2016 Not really. We were stuck in the worst portion of the Grant Hill saga, and T-Mac was left to shoulder the load all on his own. We sucked by circumstance, not by design. And Grant hill said a few years ago that he was ready to come back with about 20 games left in the season and we held him out to preserve the worst record. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Janders 102 Report post Posted July 31, 2016 How is unintentionally being bad better than intentionally? If its unintentional it probably means you're now saddled with some bad contracts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicblue 315 Report post Posted July 31, 2016 And Grant hill said a few years ago that he was ready to come back with about 20 games left in the season and we held him out to preserve the worst record. No offense, but **** Grant Hill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Franchise408 116 Report post Posted July 31, 2016 How is unintentionally being bad better than intentionally? If its unintentional it probably means you're now saddled with some bad contracts No, there's lots of reasons a team can be unintentionally bad. But at least unintentional means they want to be good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
