Why isn't D12 a top prospect for MVP?

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[AnotherCavsFan 0]

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Yes, I am VERY biased. But you don't think you are too?? Aren't we all biased towards our teams? That's what being a fan is.

 

Every analyst on the planet says the Cavs are the best team in the East, but you guys don't think so. Why is that? Because you're fans. Just like I think our team is better than the Magic. Because I'm a fan.

[BMP 424]

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Originally posted by AnotherCavsFan:

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Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes:

confirmation bias

 

Yes, I am VERY biased. But you don't think you are too?? Aren't we all biased towards our teams? That's what being a fan is.

 

Every analyst on the planet says the Cavs are the best team in the East, but you guys don't think so. Why is that? Because you're fans. Just like I think our team is better than the Magic. Because I'm a fan.

 

I was just basically reinforcing what you said...

[AcuWill 45]

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Originally posted by AnotherCavsFan:

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Originally posted by AcuWill:

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Originally posted by AnotherCavsFan:

I don't know how many times LeBron has fouled out, but I do know that he plays the Small Forward, which is one of the more lesser skilled positions. He is faster than most anyone he will guard, if not everyone, and he is a good defender. Most of the players he plays shoot jumpshots, and why would you foul a jumpshooter. Open your eyes, quit being in denial. Dwight is a Center, he has to guard all 5 players at some point, meaning he has a lot higher chance to get fouls. I don't know if you have noticed or not, but every center in the league gets in foul trouble. How many Small Forwards foul out of games?

Somehow Pietrus seems to fouls out every game he guards Lebron, 3-4 fouls of which are simply Lebron lowering his shoulder into a position where Pietrus has established defensively. If Dwight ran over half that many people, he would be called for an offensive foul nearly every time and get fouled out. Hell, he gets 1-2 OBVIOUS flops called against him a game. Our announcers even have a "game" of sorts where they say that each defender gets 1-2 flops per game against Dwight.

 

Be real. The only game that I have seen in recent memory that was well reffed between the Magic and Cleveland was Game 6, and Lebron was COMPLETELY useless. His ENTIRE GAME is predicated on his favorable treatment and getting to the line. When he wasn't getting his usual calls, he was just a really good player, not an MVP.

 

Oh, and Dwight scored 40.

 

As I said, he is much faster than people he matches up against. Do you think Pietrus can guard LeBron? No. Do you think he can dribble drive to the lane? No, because he doesn't dribble, he stands in a corner and shoots 3's. LeBron attacks the basket, that's how it is. He has the 2nd most attempted FTs in the league for a reason. Because he is the most aggressive attacker in the game.

 

Again, I'll state the obvious, LeBron gets favorable treatment from the refs-that was never a question. But the fact of the matter is, Dwight gets it, Kobe gets it, Wade gets it, etc. etc.

 

You just think the Magic and Cavs games aren't fairly officiated because you're bitter.

Obviously, if something doesn't go the way you want it to, you can blame it on the refs. I got news for you, everyone's not out to get Orlando. People don't have an agenda for the Magic. If that was the case, the Cavs would have found a way to win last years ECF.

Dude, why would I be bitter about games that we won DESPITE the terrible reffing? Last I checked, Queen James was the one running of the floor. Whomever wins in no way changes that the games were reffed horribly.

[AcuWill 45]

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Yes, I am VERY biased. But you don't think you are too?? Aren't we all biased towards our teams? That's what being a fan is.

 

Every analyst on the planet says the Cavs are the best team in the East, but you guys don't think so. Why is that? Because you're fans. Just like I think our team is better than the Magic. Because I'm a fan.

 

Because the "experts" get it right.

 

[gobucsmagic 13]

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Originally posted by demondeacs13:

Again, you guys are giving LeBron too much credit.

 

My biggest hangup with LBJ is his tendency to be too passive on defense. A lot of LeBron's fouls are offensive fouls. Players simply don't attack him much when he's on defense, and he won't actually defend the opposing team's best player until the final few minutes of the game, where refs rarely call fouls anyway.

 

Yes, he's aggressive on offense, but how many people do you see stepping in his way to take a charge every game? Maybe 1? It rarely happens.

 

Dwight's more inclined to pick up offensive fouls because he posts up and uses his arms and elbows. Of course he's a great player but his position and his style of play ON BOTH ENDS just leads to him getting more fouls called on him than LeBron.

 

Seriously, people give LeBron's defense entirely too much credit. He's good for a few chase down blocks and can play solid D when he really really gives a ****...but the thing is, if you watch him over the course of the game, he just backs off of whoever he is guarding to offer help D to his teammates.

 

 

I'm not talking about defensive fouls. I'm talking about on the offensive end where he constantly lowers his shoulder and drives through set defenders, which should be an offensive foul, but instead gets the continuation call and either scores or gets to the foul line. This is the bs that most of us are referring to.

[gobucsmagic 13]

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Originally posted by AnotherCavsFan:

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Is this guy SERIOUSLY saying that the Magic get as many calls as the Cavaliers?

 

LMAO...denial at it's WORST..

 

What a joke. The only reason D12 gets foul calls is because they are INTENTIONAL FOULS.

 

I saw the game between Lebron and Detroit last night. The reffing, as usual, was such a joke. Lebron goal tends, Cavaliers hammer detroit down low causing them to miss shots, but when you breathe on Lebron, he gets an AND-1 call.

 

Despicable. How could you be so blind as not to see that?

 

Denial is thinking that the only reason you're team has the record they have is because they are that good. Do you honestly think these teams are good enough to have the records they have? For you guys to complain about Nelson, Lewis, Carter, etc. seems the Magic have a pretty darn good record. I have accepted that the more popular players get the calls. Obviously from your perspective, the Cavs are going to get the calls, because you hate them. And if I really wanted to, I could watch a Magic game and complain about Dwight not getting fouls called on him. Tomato, Tomatoe.

 

Every star gets special treatment. Half of the time Dwight touches the ball in the paint, it's because he elbowed and shoved his way to getting it. But do you see that? No. Because you are a Magic fan, and that's fine. I don't see all the fouls the Cavaliers get given. That's how it works as fans. Just enjoy your teams ride to the playoffs and support them, rather than try to prove someone wrong about something that is happening everywhere, not just for said persons team.

 

You are choosing to be blindly ignorant then. These things will become much more obvious to you when Lebron is wearing a different jersey next year and bowling his way through A. Varejeo and company.

[gobucsmagic 13]

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Yes, I am VERY biased. But you don't think you are too?? Aren't we all biased towards our teams? That's what being a fan is.

 

Every analyst on the planet says the Cavs are the best team in the East, but you guys don't think so. Why is that? Because you're fans. Just like I think our team is better than the Magic. Because I'm a fan.

 

The same thing was said about the Cavs last year too. How'd that turn out again?

[AnotherCavsFan 0]

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Originally posted by gobucsmagic:

 

 

The same thing was said about the Cavs last year too. How'd that turn out again?

 

Last year there was no Shaq, Jamison, Parker, Moon, JJ.

 

Ben Wallace and Anderson Varejao can't guard Rashard Lewis. Antawn Jamison can.

 

Ilgauskas can't guard Dwight Howard. Shaq can.

The matchup problems the Magic presented have been fixed. But the games still have to be played, and everything has to fall in to place.

[gobucsmagic 13]

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Originally posted by AnotherCavsFan:

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Originally posted by gobucsmagic:

 

 

The same thing was said about the Cavs last year too. How'd that turn out again?

 

Last year there was no Shaq, Jamison, Parker, Moon, JJ.

 

Ben Wallace and Anderson Varejao can't guard Rashard Lewis. Antawn Jamison can.

 

Ilgauskas can't guard Dwight Howard. Shaq can.

The matchup problems the Magic presented have been fixed. But the games still have to be played, and everything has to fall in to place.

 

 

LOL! We'll see. Seems like deja vu to me. Everyone will pick Cleveland and it will be another epic fail and end with Lebron James pouting like a two-year old and storming off the court. I'd really hate to be a Cavs fan counting on a 38-year old, fat, injured Shaq, Antawn (never played in a big game) Jamison, A. Parker, and J. Moon. Yikes, thats a whole lot of faith in players who haven't exactly proven much in the NBA. Magic in 6, again.

[Franchero MVP 391]

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Originally posted by AnotherCavsFan:

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Originally posted by gobucsmagic:

 

 

The same thing was said about the Cavs last year too. How'd that turn out again?

 

Last year there was no Shaq, Jamison, Parker, Moon, JJ.

 

Ben Wallace and Anderson Varejao can't guard Rashard Lewis. Antawn Jamison can.

 

Ilgauskas can't guard Dwight Howard. Shaq can.

The matchup problems the Magic presented have been fixed. But the games still have to be played, and everything has to fall in to place.

 

OK first Parker, Moon, JJ are horrible so we don't even have to talk about them.

 

Antawn is OK, but definitely on Rashard's playoff level. We all know how Mo Williams shows up during the playoffs as well.

 

And Shaq will do a better job then Z, but give me a break; he still wont be able to contain Howard.

 

Like I said before, the only way you guys win is up to the officiating. If it's fair, Lebron will be in NY next year.

 

Edit: And you are wrong about the fact that ONLY fans see officiating in a one-dimensional manner. I had some friends that were Cleveland home-towners at my house during the series here in Florida. Even they admitted the reffing was extremely biased for Lebron.

 

So your theory fails. No surprise.

[God hates Magic fans 0]

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Yes, I am VERY biased. But you don't think you are too?? Aren't we all biased towards our teams? That's what being a fan is.

 

Every analyst on the planet says the Cavs are the best team in the East, but you guys don't think so. Why is that? Because you're fans. Just like I think our team is better than the Magic. Because I'm a fan.

yes we're all biased but feel free to go on any neutral forum, and ask them about lebron and getting calls

 

please do it