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This does not makes us better nor I see much of an inprovement in the defensive end. Lavine is a poor defender and doesnt bring much to the offense either. He is just another AG with less defensive skills.

Toronto is another team that might be able to take on Cleveland and they just had a dosage of love from some of our players in their home court. Im sure they can find vuch, Ibaka or even Biyombo useful. I do want to also get rid of Fournier if we are going to tank. A move to Brooklin makes sense. Brooklin has no way to improve other than via trade. We can get the rights of juan Pablo vaulet and expiring.

Ag can play Ibakas role easely as a PF. I still go all in for PG.

No. It is not the same. I am as frustrated as you are and dont get me wrong I am not happy with the way he is playing. The same goes with the rest of our players. But to say that he quitted in our team is irresponsible. He is still having a better overall year than last year. In fact, on of his best. Now, i do think he is playing with less effort defensively. His blocks per game are less. His defensive edfort is lacking. This things you dont see in the stats and it is likely more as a result of cautious playing. He is shooting more threes and staying more time outside the paint. He is clearly not a player that play with with passion on a loosing team. But who does? Even Bis is olaying with less effort. I hinestly think we need to trade him sooner than later. His trading value will continue to decrease as long as he continues wearing the magic uniform.

Nah.. we can do better.

This is interesting a what I truly want to see happening.

He is getting a max not matter what unless he gets injured. He is just trying not to get injured. This is likely more of his agent likely tellig to take it easy. He doesnt seem the guy who will quit on a team.

Stop it! There is no way you can say with certainty that he quit on us. No way. Yes, he got hurt but he could easely taken a few games off with a "shoulder sprain". He didn't. Yes, he is not playing as passionate as prior to the injury but I dont blame him. It is his contract year and wants to get the most out of it. That injury was a wake up call. He is playing for a team with no identify and nothing to gain. You and I will do the same. I will not be surprise if his 3 point shots taken per game increases from this point on.

I think is a great trade for all 3 teams. We might need a pick from toronto tho.

Incredulous is not the right word for you to use here. In fact, You are proving my point with the stat. I dont understand tho why you are disagreeing with me here. I did say he is overall better than Brook and that one of this qualities is that he is a good player in the post. You call me incredulous but yet you bring t stat the prove my point while im trying to prove my point on someone that said Vuch has little post qualities. Yet you are ok with that statement and still call me incredulous. Why? I will like to hear your reasoning here. I also said, that he is doing more than he is supposed to do in the offense and is not his fault. We have no other offensive weapon and still he can produce. He does ather thing that makes him an extremely valuable player on another tram where he can play more one and one offense. There are still some dominant players in the post in todays Nba. This doesnt translate only on their offensive personal nunbers. But a guy that can space the offense is as valuable and Vuch can do this well on another team. Just like Gasol does in Memphis. I agree on Vuch current value with the pick and roll offense etc.. but that truly is because he can score inside as well as outside. By the way, i was comparing Vuch with Brooks current value. We have avery good player who holds a real value that we need to take advantage. Any capable and understanding person can see that. Thanks for bringing the stats and yes, he should never be the first offensive weapon in any team but he is capable to take that role if needed when the match up is in his favor.

Little post ability? What are you seeing? You most really dont like him. He is agreat offensive player and that is because his ability to post under the basket as well as outside the paint. He can clear the basket of potential shot blockers as his outside shot is also very respected. You are saying that he is NO GOOD yet you want to sell him high? How is that possible? The only point I agree with you is that he can fit other rosters better than ours.

Not at all. They are just two big heavy white players. Other than that, they are different players. Brook can't barely jump, dont have a good shot range and cant rebound. His contract is also way worse and also injury prone. Vuch has improved his footwork and overall defense. His passing skills and outside shot are also better. I think Vuch is a better overall player, healthier and with a great contract Reason why we need to sell high.

It has nOt been his fault tho. But agree, we need to sell high. Not just a desperate trade.

Again, I think our points are very similar. My opinion is that we can just get him away. He does have value in this league. A lot of fans here dont value him as much as he truly does. I have seen the trade scenarios and all are way off. We can get easely a first round pick and a young player in return. If we cant get that then is better to keep him. We might find him useful in a year or 2 once we have a better team that is if Ibaka leaves. We surely need to parts with either Ibaka or Vuch. I dont see the need to keep both. We trade the one that brings the most back. I truly prefer to trade Ibaka first and Fournier second. But I am not opposed to trade vuch as long as the return is good.

Did you see the game? CJ, Green and DJ played great. He was truly nOt needed.

Im not saying we need to keep him. Dont get me wrong. But to say that he is not valuable to any team due to todays nba game pace is unreal. He is very valuable and a Team like Boston, toronto and Portland can use his service to take them to the next step. I think we need to sell high or keep him. His contract is great and as I said before, he can be useful again next year or during the offseason for any other possible trade scenarios. I do have to disagree with you on The timeline of been competitive. I see ourself been better in one or two years for sure.

I dont know what to say here but other teams have been successful in the past with a great low post guy. San Antonio, LA teams, Dallas. Just to name a few. Today's game Is all about teaming up star players. I dont see that ever happening in Orlando. But VuCh can make a playoff team more competitive. He is 27!!! I do see that people are now saying that his prime is gone!? That he is getting old!? What the heck! Kids should be getting out of college at 22-23! Just because we are seeing now kids getting drafted at an early age of 19-20 doesnt mean it is the norm. Vuch still have a good 8 competitive years left in him.

Keep hatin'

Gordon is more athletic, has better handle of the ball and overall better offensive player. I think he is even a better one on one defender. MKG is just a better rebounder and team defensive player. I don't see anything much similarities between those two. Gordon stills remind me a little of a more athletic Harrison barnes. I still think he is not been used correctly.

DJ and VUc both increased their trade value for sure. Hopefully Cleveland and Boston watched the game. Toronto clearly saw it.

This is unreal.

It seems as the only player who deserve to stay. He is clearly playing as our best player. Unfortunately, the best player is the one with the most value. I do rather see Ibaka traded first since it appear he does not want to stay.

That is pretty much what I am seeing but we have to include our first and likely Hezonja.

We need a new face. This franchise looks horrible right now. I dont see any other way to improve our image other than drafting a possible future star player. Our two runs to the finals are due to drafting a star player. (Howard and Shaq). If we keep what we have we are going to be just a first round exit team every year, if that. We need to roll the dice. I dont see us improving via trade. At least I have not seen that from Henny yet.

If we loose today we are going to be the 2nd worse record in the league behind Brooklin and the four overall worst in the league. If we keep it up I see us going for a Top 3 pick in this year draft just behind Brooklin and the Suns. Lets try to make those teams better. Lets trade Serge to the Suns for 2 future first round picks and Fournier to Brooklin for Lin(which is injured) Lets get that first pick !!!:creaturedance: