magicdoc1

Ok. I see that a lot of people here value Vuch a little too much. How about if we get Vuch off this trade talks and instead add Fournier, Biz and DJ for Hill, Randolph and Vince. Will that make any difference on how some of you feel about Hill’s contract?

I can see your point. However that doesnt tell the whole story. First of all, Hill is playing off the ball as a SG in Sacramento. He is Better as a PG. Second, He seems to be unhappy in the current situation and the coaching staff seems to be playing more attention towards the young core. Third and more importantly, He is a much better defender that DJ or Payton currently are. He also played under Vogel in the past sucessfully and he does excel when the team plays to win. He is not the perfect player but surely is better than what we currently have. We can continue to play the current core of players but rest assured that we are not making the playoff anytime soon if the core remains intact.

I am all in on the HIll to Orlando trade idea. He will be an upgrade over Payton for sure. Sacramento do like Vuch a lot and They will likely add either Skal, WCS or a pick in order to sweet the deal. I will do it in a heartbeat. Even if we have to take Vince contract in the process while adding Mario to the deal.

i agree with you but the major problem with him is that he is playing out of position. He is not a PF. Given the chance and patient, he can be a serviceable role player in a team that has a decent PG.

i agree with you but the major problem with him is that he is playing out of position. He is not a PF. Given the chance and patient, he can be a serviceable role player in a team that has a decent PG.

We need to trade Vuch now. His trade value cant be higher. How about Cha: Monk + Howard Orl: Vuch + Fournier Orl Line-up: Payton/Monk/Isaac/Gordon/Howard Augustin/Simmons/Ross/Biyombo Cha Line Up: Kemba/Fournier/Batum/MKG/Vuch MCW/Lamb/Williams/Kaminsky/Zeller I really like this charlotte new line-up and Fournier playing next to Batum will be a nice addition to the Hornets. I don't see Monk fitting in that team and Jordan is not the type of guy that likes to tank or rebuild. For us, Monk will be interesting. Not sure if he will become a good SG in this league do to his size but his shooting abilities cant be denied.

Yep. I share your feeling towards Vuch and echo your statement. Vuch does fill out the stats but he is really bad and has taken master step backwards.

Lol. At least I got a laugh tonight.

I had a dream once... that one day, we will have Dipo, Harris and Gordon playing alongside each other.

Are we really missing Jason Smith that much...?

Stop with the tanking statements. No team has been successful yet with the tanking technique. Lets tweak our roster with some trades and we will be ok. Injuries are hurting us.

Seeing this team struggling without Fournier says a lot about how bad Payton is with his playmaking decisions. We are relying too much on players like Fournier and Simmons to create in offense. Also, Mario should be moved to his original shooting guard position. He is NOT a PF.

He will be ok. Watching this team play today is giving me a non-traumatic concussion.

Ohh well.... mario is in

This DNP due to personal reasons are scary. Phoenix is shopping Chandler’s hard around the league and last game he was a DNP due to personal reasons. I do think he will be the next one traded. i dont mind him wearing a Magic Uniform as long as he is cheap.

I think He is going to flourish in Brooklyn. This is a good trade for Brooklyn. They have impressed me so far with their roster moves this year. I think the combination of Russell, crabbe, Carroll and Okafor will be relative competitive in the East. If they just agree to trade us Spencer D for Mario...

Im sorry but I have to disagree with you here. Why do you say the Tank has been working for Philly. What have they achieved that makes it successful? They are currently just a competitive team which might make the playoff this year. They have been on tank mode for years! They let go 2 of the early lottery picks in the tank process in Noel and soon to be release Okafor. They have a good core of players now but they have to start paying them soon. I dont think a core consisting of simmons, embiid, fultz, covington will be enough to Take care of the East. They will need talent through the free agencies as well. Not sure if they will have enough money To sign a max talent while retaining JJ for next year. I just see them as a good playoff team that will fail to reach the finals. I think if we somehow trade Vuch, fournier and upgrade our PG position we will be able to compete against Philly. I like the simmons, Isaac and Gordon core. So my point is that at this ooint tanking will not help us at all. We need to improve via trades and /or free agency by working with our cap space.

That was Hedo sitting front row?

I am not and that is my problem. I am getting so upset seeing this group of player playing with no energy, effort and no life. That last defensive play with Vuch and Payton switching players was just pathetic.

Not necessarily, they also have the Bucks pick which is heavily protected and the Miami pick.

Lol! You are right! I was thinking last year contract. Didnt even realized he got that deal! Well, my friend. I still think will do Vuch and DJ for Hill and Skal.

I will be ok with that. It all depends on the Money that Payton will be requesting. I dont think he is starting PG material. Biz and DJ has very little value and will require for us to give picks. Vuch, payton and Fournier have still some value and we can get something in return.

Relax. It is just my opinion. LOL. I think Hill is better than Payton and we cant keep the same core of Payton Fournier, Gordon and vuch. It is not working. The reason I dont see Payton coming back is because the money he will be requesting. I dont think he deserve anything more than what Hill is currently getting and again, we need a change. I agree that Vuch is better than Chandler but not better than Chandler and a first round pick.

What about Kuzma! We gave our last first round pock away!

I guess you are crazy thinking that Vuch and soon to be free agent Payton are better than Hill, Chandler and a pick. Hill is getting 8 million per year, Better defender than Payton and overall better player. To be honest, I dont think Sacramento nor Phoenix will do it. Let go of Vuch and Payton, my friend. Rest assure that neither of them will be back next year. Payton will be asking to much and Vuch is just history. Let it go. Hill, Fournier, Simmons,Gordon,Chandler. Not perfect but better than what we currently have.