TreyMachine
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1 hour ago, CTMagicUK said:Brandon Miller got asked who the GOAT was and he said Paul George lol.
I feel like this man is going to now get a call from Paul George. If that was his goal, mission accomplished.
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7 minutes ago, ball junkie said:https://theathletic.com/4626572/2023/06/21/nba-mock-draft-2023-hollinger/?amp=1
Hollinger suggesting trades are gonna be the theme of the day …anybody pay for the Athletic ? I’m not a member but am curious what he says …respect his opinionI'm not a subscriber either but it feels like each year there's a lot of talk about trades before or during the draft and it hardly ever materializes. I'm sure there are a lot of teams who would like to trade, but it takes two to tango.
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3 hours ago, CTMagicUK said:God I'm glad some of y'all aren't our GM.
No, under basically no circumstance should we trade Franz Wagner to "build around Paolo"
(what does that even mean? Why can't we build around them both? Franz is an awesome defender, passer and off ball player, if I was trying to build around Paolo Franz is basically the ideal SF to put next to him).
My comment was basically saying I don't think Charlotte trades #2 without a guaranteed rising star like Franz. If we want Scoot (like many do), it will take trading Franz plus picks. I don't see any other way Charlotte does a deal, nor am I personally a fan of that trade.
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1 hour ago, MagicFanDan said:I think we would all agree that Paolo is the star and we need to build around him.
The board also pencils in Franz (myself included), but I’ve been thinking is Franz the best pairing with Paolo or should we move him with one of the picks for somebody elite?
Please know I’m a big Franz fan, I’m just thinking.
I think Franz isn't flashy but he's incredible smart, which every team needs to go on a deep playoff run. With that said, I imagine Franz and two firsts get it done for Scoot if we really do think he's Ja Morant / Derrick Rose level - a good complement no doubt to Paolo. I'm not as sold on Scoot but some are.
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6 minutes ago, ball junkie said:1. Victor Wembanyama
Pro comp: Kristaps Porzingis' size, Rudy Gobert's shot-blocking, Kevin Durant's wiggle
2. Scoot Henderson
Pro comp: Collin Sexton's competitiveness, Russell Westbrook's athleticism
3. Brandon Miller
Pro comp: Playmaking Jabari Smith Jr.
4. Amen Thompson
Pro comp: 99th percentile athlete version of Dejounte Murray
5. Cam Whitmore
Pro comp: Miles Bridges
6. Ausar Thompson
Pro comp: Andrew Wiggins
7. Jarace Walker
Pro comp: Thomas Bryant ... but better (much, much better)
8. Anthony Black
Pro comp: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
This is no doubt an aspirational comparison for Black, who is still an unfinished product, but he has the defensive tools, playmaking and the long frame that remind of Gilgeous-Alexander in many aspects. If Black's jumper develops to league average, he will be an impactful connective tissue who starts for years to come
9. Taylor Hendricks
Pro comp: Jaden McDaniels
10. Gradey Dick
Pro comp: Kevin Huerter
Does Ausar really have Wiggins's athleticism? That's a bananas comp if so.
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54 minutes ago, fan for too long 2 said:I can see it. But it make zero sense. To trade a lottery pick for a future 1st who knows where and a second, of which we hardly use. This move would frustrate me to no end’s especially if Gradey, or any good shooting option is still available.
Oh - I'm right there with you. But we just don't have the minutes for two rookies - even good rookies - unless we move someone
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28 minutes ago, JJZFL said:I don’t see how we can add three rookies to what we have now. Not sure what we’ll do to avoid that outcome (I see a fair amount of speculation we’ll trade our second rounder) but I strongly believe we’re going to do something. Combining 6 and 11 to get something isn’t out of the question from my standpoint.
I can see us trading #11 for a future 1st and a 2nd rounder. Something like that unless it's someone we really, really like - of which we'll then trade one of our young assets.
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3 hours ago, MagicFanDan said:I can’t imagine we draft 6 and 11.
Personally, I wouldn’t.
Basically the question for everyone here is "Who is getting minutes who doesn't deserve them / will be phased out?" I don't think you keep all 4 of Kelle/Suggs/Cole/Harris and draft a guard, and as a forward we have some room for backup minutes, but if Franz/Paolo/JI/WCJ are all healthy, it started to get tight - and you certainly don't draft someone at #6 expecting them to be a backup in 3 years.
Therefore, I too am led to believe we will throw in some pieces for a big "fit" piece to play along our non-moveable core before or during draft night. Too many upside young pieces in need of minutes already on this team.
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40 minutes ago, CTMagicUK said:After last year, I am convinced nothing that comes out of a good Gm's office is unintentional. There's equal chance this is real and equal chance they don't actually like him but want to worry any team behind them who loves him and might want to trade up.
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46 minutes ago, All Eyes On Me said:It’s rare when a blockbuster happens that you hate it for both teams. Suns are strapped with a top heavy roster of injury prone players and won’t get past the top tier of the West. Wizards just gave away their best player for a couple role players and a handful of 2nd round picks. Gross
The deal makes sense for both teams, but I think more for the Wizards than the Suns. The Wizards needed to get bad faster to start rebuilding, and that contract is arguably the worst in the NBA, no trade clause included. They were staying in the 7-12 range with Beal. Blow it up and get a top 5 pick the next 3 years and give yourself a chance to build as others have.
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37 minutes ago, All Eyes On Me said:If we’re talking hypothetical Pels trades and who’d fit best with our core, give me Brandon Ingram all day. He’d be the best individual scorer we’ve had since TMac
Would much rather have Ingram than Zion who is a great athlete but can't stay healthy and has a questionable work ethic / leadership capacity.
Zion I think in the end will be an Andrew Wiggins player - he'll never be THE guy, but could be a great #2 or #3 scoring option on a good team.
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1 hour ago, jmmagicfan said:I’m going in a completely different direction. Charlotte picks Scoot, and trades Lamelo to Phoenix for Ayton. Possible a few other pieces to make the numbers work.
Lamelo would annoy the hell out of Durant, Booker, AND Beal. Lamelo is the epitome of immaturity on and off the court. He would be helped by being around veterans as he has a lot of talent and could use some mature guidance, but you don't bring a risk like that into your locker room when you're trying to win a championship.
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33 minutes ago, Jay Magic said:I am gonna predict we trade for Zion!!
There is no world where we trade for Zion. If we do, I'll buy this entire board drinks at the next Magic game event we do.
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Just now, TreyMachine said:I have to question whether I would be want us to trade Markelle, 6, and 11 for Scoot. I would trust management, but I really think Markelle is much better as a floor general that brings out the best in others than what his stats would indicate.
Crazy because I think many here would do that trade in a heartbeat and I don't think Charlotte even does that deal.
I'm still of the opinion Charlotte trades Scoot + other assets for Zion. Charlotte needs a big to run with LaMelo.
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1 hour ago, Albert Lergier said:I don't believe that the Hornets are going to pass on drafting Scoot and trading him for "a bunch" - which would be more than just drafting Miller.
If they have a FO that is smart, (IMHO), they should do what the Magic did back in 1993, draft Webber and trade him for Penny and 3 1st's.
In this case, for example, Scoot to the Magic for 6, 11 and Markelle.
I have to question whether I would be want us to trade Markelle, 6, and 11 for Scoot. I would trust management, but I really think Markelle is much better as a floor general that brings out the best in others than what his stats would indicate.
Crazy because I think many here would do that trade in a heartbeat and I don't think Charlotte even does that deal.
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30 minutes ago, CTMagicUK said:The Suns have an amount equivalent to what the luxury tax line is expected to be, committed to 4 players.
Even with all that shooting Talent, I still don't see them beating the team of the Denver Nuggets. Too much non-complementary play, and the support cast / 2nd unit will be a bunch of rookies and vet mins.
With that said, I don't expect any team to agree to another "no trade" clause like this. The return for Beal, a bonafide top 30 player in this league, was effectively nothing, especially compared to that of recent trades like Gobert, Durant, etc.
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1 hour ago, Jon said:Prepared for Bilal Coulibaly at 6.
I'm fully prepared and will be ok. WeltHam has earned my trust the last 3 drafts.
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4 hours ago, Soul Bro said:Curious if we could get in on the Miami and Washington deal and snag Herro as a third party. I'd gladly give up #6 and some players for him.
I'm thinking we would benefit the other parties from both having multiple 1st's, taking on salary (which we can do), AND contributing salary (most notably Jonathan Isaac's contract).
We have a lot more flexibility than most teams. We're a perfect 3rd party team.
Make something happen WeltHam!!
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1 hour ago, All Eyes On Me said:Supposedly Beal’s agent is the dad of the new Suns CEO… lol.. working on a nice fathers day present I guess
The no trade clause basically holds the Wizards hostage to wherever Beal wants to go. If he wants Phoenix, he'll reject anyone else. Crazy that this could be forced.
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1 hour ago, Soul Bro said:Curious if we could get in on the Miami and Washington deal and snag Herro as a third party. I'd gladly give up #6 and some players for him.
I think Herro is a perfect compliment to this team. Would love to have him
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39 minutes ago, Jason Funderburker said:Would have to assume it is Paul for Beal. Phoenix just going to make Booker a full time PG?
They waived Paul and doubt Paul sign and trades to go to the Wizards. I would assume Ayton - but honestly, what 1st round picks do they have left to give after the Brooklyn trade?
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3 hours ago, Soul Bro said:Not considering the "fit" on our team, I don't think it's a stretch to think Scoot could end up being a more dominant player in the NBA than Paulo or Franz. From what I'm reading, he's a mix between prime Rose and Morant. That's a dominant guard right there.
I don't think there's a package we could offer that doesn't give up 3 1st round picks to get #2 or #3 to draft him, but if we believe that's who he has a chance to become, you take that. I don't think our picks in the next 3+ years are in the lottery anyway, so go all in and get your guy unless we believe just as much in #6.
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2 hours ago, jmmagicfan said:Just for giggles - what do you think of this trade:
Orlando gets: Nick Richards & pick #2
Charlotte gets: Cole Anthony, pick #6, 2024 1st round top-4 protected, 2025 1st round (Denver's pick)
The problem is we haven't worked Scoot out (but I guess that didn't stop us from drafting Paolo), but if the hype is real, I do this all day. Guy has a Jordan/Kobe/Westbrook killer mentality with elite athleticism.
With that said, I think it takes more than that to get Charlotte to trade the #2 pick.
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3 hours ago, Jay Magic said:I honestly think this works for both teams.
NO is looking to move on from Zion, where the relationship has begun to get strained as he can't stay healthy (and seemingly isn't willing to mature and try) and Charlotte's new ownership is looking to make a splash and don't really care about drama (point in case, making Lamelo Ball the face of their franchise).
This is a good trade for both teams as Scoot Henderson I think makes for a greater core with CJ McCollum and Brandon Ingram and is clearly the #2 in the draft over Brandon Miller - and Scoot and Lamelo's style's wouldn't gel at all.
I'm giving this a 65% likelihood to get done. It makes that much sense.
2022-2023 Draft Thread
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Final Prediction:
We picked Franz Wagner, who was the #17 pick at #8 in 2021. I see us doing the same here at #6 with Bilal ranked as the #11 on ESPN's big board. He's got the Giannis mega-athlete vibe with a frame and length that has super high potential. I won't be upset if we draft one of the Thompsons, but this pick just feels VERY WeltHam and they aren't going to wait for him to drop to #11 for them to claim him.