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    2 hours ago, CTMagicUK said:

    No, not at all. It's a "we don't want this guy and we'll waive him in the summer might as well get a 2nd for him" move. 

    That doesn't explain then why we aren't requiring Beverley to report. If we just got Beverley to waive him, then that seems like a salary cap move to me.

    Either way, it is what it is. I'm not a big fan of the trade but we probably weren't getting much else for Bamba anyways.

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    7 hours ago, CTMagicUK said:

    Before the trade we needed a new backup C and had Bamba's 10 million coming off the books in the summer. 

    After the trade we still need a backup C and have Patrick Beverley's 13 mil coming off the books in the summer (and presumably got paid the cash difference in salaries) and we got a 2nd round pick. 

    We were happy to move on from Bamba, Bamba probably wanted to go somewhere else too since he was basically out of the rotation, and we got a little something for making it happen. 

    So its purely a salary cap move?

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    1 hour ago, ball junkie said:

    So I started watching about the time Kelle subbed out late in the 3rd and the announcers raving about his play and that he just organizes, orchestrates everything the Magic implement 

    I have a Suggs observation …I noticed with the personnel we currently have playing …the Magic play through Banchero and Franz …every possession I saw tonight the Magic put him in the corner with Cole handling the ball and playing through Franz at that time …that corner guy has to be adept at shooting 3’s …Suggs, at 28 percent from the 3 is the worst on the team …he did attack the basket a couple times …not sure he helps with spacing with the poor shooting percentage …anybody think he’s expendable ?

    I feel as though he may be the most expendable of our youth core (Paolo, Franz, Fultz, Cole)

    I still have high hopes for him tho. He shouldn't be the floor spacer, that should be Anthony who is a better outside shooter. I like Suggs going to the rim - although he can be a bit chaotic doing that at times, he can also be a rather strong finisher at times as well. I think with continued time and developing, he can be a solid scorer for us.

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    1 hour ago, harryfromphilly said:

    ok   i  hope those that say its not markelle, its just having any real point guard are quieted.     I agree he was a big question mark    but his influence on the stat sheet tonight is only reflecting the undocumented things he has been doing for quite a while. The magic are simply a better team with him on the floor. not any point guard. him.

    I agree with this. Markelle Fultz isn't some super tier all star player, he is certainly a disappointment from a #1 overall perspective, but I firmly believe he is one of our most important pieces and the glue that holds it all together. I am firmly pro-Fultz and I hope he stays healthy because the Magic need to be looking at him as a long term piece along with Paolo and Franz.

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    4 hours ago, ball junkie said:

    I’ll say this …when I’m watching the games the fans have been very supportive …you can tell they are itching to win again …when they start fighting and competing they get totally behind the team .

    Having said that if management chooses to throw out the crazy lineups, continue with the bizarre injury status of players when they seemingly are healthy and want to play …this according to T Ross …and we continue with the losing I can see disinterest setting in rather quickly .

    I have 0 interest in a tanking team (intentionally, that is).

    I have full interest in a team that is out there competing as hard as they can, regardless of if that's 20 wins or 70.

    Right now, I have a fairly high interest in the team because, even tho they are losing nearly night in and night out, there are young players with a lot of potential who are certainly working their a's off to compete as hard as they can.

    I do have a bit of a hit to my interest because of signs of possible tanking, the things that you pointed out. But then when I see Cole and Fultz immediately off of minutes restrictions, and the minutes that guys like Franz and Banchero get, it makes me think that perhaps we aren't (intentionally) tanking, and the team just isn't ready yet (due to young, undeveloped talent and injury bad luck).

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    25 minutes ago, Luke_FfS said:

    I'm not sure Vuch would have been the right vet to push the rest of the group (leadership-toughness-defense)

    I think it's certainly debatable either way.

    The fact that we got Wagner AND Carter out of the deal tho makes me way less negative about it. At the time I did not like it. Now that I've seen the results, I can definitely accept it.

    I feel like the position we would benefit most from a vet leader is probably the 2 guard spot. I really like Markelle Fultz as our 1. I'm in on him enough that I just got his jersey this season. I really like Fultz and believe he can be a foundational piece for our starting lineup, even if not THE guy. I think he does a really good job at running the offense and leading the team while he's on the floor, and I hope he can stay healthy for us and have a long career with the Magic. Wagner and Banchero are legit in my eyes. We have a good pair of players there that I believe can turn into a really strong 1-2 duo. I like Carter at the 5, and believe he's a good anchor down low. I like a bench with Cole Anthony, Okeke, Bamba, Bol Bol, and T-Ross.

    I do like Suggs, and believe he has shown potential of being a legit 2-guard in this league. And I think in the long run, that spot can probably be his. But right now, he is rather inconsistent and can be an active detriment for this team. If we were able to bring in a strong vet presence at the 2 that could help guide this team in the short term, while Suggs develops as a spark on the 2nd unit, I think it would be beneficial to the team to have that vet presence, as well as to Suggs so he doesn't have to carry that burden right now and putting it all on his shoulders. Maybe even a vet big with Bamba's inconsistencies and Bol Bol not really having the strength to be a force down low.

    I mean at this point 20-something games into the season, it's NBA2K style fantasy team building at the moment, but I think some moves like that heading into this season, or at this point, into next, could be beneficial.

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    On 12/3/2022 at 3:12 AM, JJZFL said:

    I agree about the need for vet presence. Right now they are degenerating into an “every man for himself “ style of play and aren’t competing well.  We could be on the verge of a total meltdown.  

    The meltdown is exactly what I'm worried about.

    I'm anti-tanking, but I'm also not so much worried about the results this year. We just got the #1 overall pick, and look to have hit, and the rest of our roster is 24 and under. I want to see Banchero, Fultz, Suggs, Cole, Okeke, Carter, Wagner, etc. play their hearts out and see what they have. I want to see them actually develop and work towards fulfilling that potential. If that means this year is a wash, that's fine. It that takes us to a low seed playoff appearance, even better. They will get a taste of winning.

    But what's happening now could start turning into full blown demoralization. T-Mac in his last year status. All this talent we have wanting out and moving on, leaving the franchise high and dry once again.

    idk yet that I'm ready to blame the front office. While the Vuc trade was a question mark for me, overall I am satisfied with the talent they have brought in. But I do believe it is time to start spending some money on some vet presence to put around these guys. That was the main reason I wanted to keep Vuc. He was a vet presence, all-star player with playoff experience who could help guide this youth movement, along with some already existing chemistry he'd already have with some guys. But then again, it got us Wagner, so there was definitely some benefit in the trade as well. But it is time to start bringing some vets in. I don't have suggestions because I don't know who all was out there this summer, out there now, or who is looking to be out there this coming summer. 

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    7 hours ago, TreyMachine said:

    Losing culture seeps into every fabric of a players mentality. When you're used to winning and those above you intentionally want you to lose by putting you in bad positions, you get a bad taste in your mouth for the organization and for your position and will want out as soon as possible. it's very apparent we don't think we can win with our current players and are willing to take this entire season at the chance of getting perhaps a generational player. 
     

    To some level I get it, but when you've intentionally been bad for 10 years trying to look for a generational talent, you're going to lose your Fanbase and your organizational integrity.

    I'm no longer watching. And won't until something changes. 

    Everything you just said is exactly why tanking is a non-viable philosophy and should never be the strategy used for team building. It's a failed philosophy and always has been and always will be.

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