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What would Paul nickname be if he comes here? I think with his combination with Howard, it should be sth other than CP3

Travis Dierner?? WOW

I call you on Drew Gooden and Brendan Haywood. Haywood is a very good defensive center. He probably earns above his skill set but its not outrageous. Gooden has been a very solid player for years now. He deserves that contract, especially because he is exactly the type of player Bucks needed. Gooden is a player who, if you see his stats, you could not believe he isnt an all star yet. But you see him playing, and you cannot believe how he could be a starter. The amount of dumb mistakes he makes and the defensive liability he is. With Haywood, I agree he is very good defensive center. Basically, he is Kendrick Perkins II. IMO, 5M per season should be good enough, not 9M like now.

quote: Fantasy Rankings So far (will be updating when signings are done) With LeBron, Lee and O'Neal remaining. Adam 4/10 Jareth 4/10 ManuGinobili 5/10 NickAnderson 2/10 Maestro 3/10 Trey 2/10 Drain-O 3/10 Give me Redick 5/10 And1mixtape 4/10 ucfknights 3/10 OrlandonKentucky 2/10 TedStickle 3/10 With just Shaq remaining...Its pretty main equal. Nobody picked LeBron to Miami nor Lee to GS. Adam 4/10 Jareth 4/10 ManuGinobili 5/10 NickAnderson 2/10 Maestro 3/10 Trey 2/10 Drain-O 3/10 Give me Redick 5/10 And1mixtape 4/10 ucfknights 3/10 OrlandonKentucky 2/10 TedStickle 3/10

Most unbelievable/outrageous contracts so far: Drew Gooden (money & lenght), Amir Johnson (money & lenght), Matt Bonner (money & lenght), Brian Cook (signing), Darko Milicic (money), Brendan Haywood (money)

Matt Bonner 4 year - 16 million? Really, Popovich? I cant believe this.

quote: Remember when someone on this board claimed he was going to be the second best non-American born player ever, behind only Manu Ginobli? Those were good, hilarious times. I think I said it. I dont remember exactly. Yes, I think he is going to be awesome if he gets starter minutes. But my statement was plain wrong, nonetheless.

quote: The main thing with Pierce, as well as matchups in general, is not to just play defense well, but make the guy WORK on the other side. Thats why LeBron absolutely murdered PP in the EC SF, and will do the same again if Heat Vs. Bos meet up. LeBron disables Pierce, because he makes him so tired of defending him that he does not have enough strenght in the offensive side. I think he played some of his worst basketball in that series against Cle. Lucky for him Rondo and a rejuvenated Garnett saved his ***.

Nobody can deny that what Rondo did in G2 and G3 practically decided the series. So even if he did not statistically DOMINATE Nelson, his superiority was very important (along with Pierce, Allen and the bench obviously great performances) for them to easily win the ECF.

quote: Originally posted by ThuglifeJ: Jameer is not a top 10 PG. CP3, D Will, Nash, Rondo, Billups, Rose are by far better points. Thats 6. Parker, Kidd, Jennings, Brooks, Arenas are better. Devin Harris, Westbrook are arguably with far more potential and getting better. even Tyreke Evans is arguably. Andre Miller even dropped 50 points this season, but really I take that back his shot is terrible. but really the top 5 (CP3, D Will, Rondo, Nash, Rose) make the rest look like another league. I would take Jameer over Kidd, Billups and Arenas any day now. I think I would take him before Jennings too. Brooks seems quite good, but still we dont know if he reached his potential or not. 1- D Will 2- Paul 3- Rose 4- Rondo 5- Nash 6- Parker 7- Brooks 8- Jameer 9- Jennings 10- Billups

I liked that answer. Its better when you explain your posts. I do not think there is one particular flaw. I think the management was not savvy when it came to offseason decisions. I do think giving away Wallace when we signed Hill was a big mistake (I am sure you think the same). I do think that not holding on Billups was bad judgement from the basketball operations. I do think that T-Mac was not a top free agent when we got him. That was a big YES for the GM or whoever took the decision, because they gambled on a young kid with upside and he surprised us all. And what about saying we LURED Lewis? Are you kidding me? We were the only ones in the world who could have give him 126M!!!! How come Duncan stays "out of loyalty", and we havent had any player staying here "out of loyalty"?

quote: Yeah, but Duncan was more of a question of loyalty than anything else. It wasn't that the city sucked or wasn't appealing enough, it was that he decided to stick with Robinson and stay with the team that drafted him. Dont you think it is a credit also at how the Spurs organization is built and how they assemble their rosters and how everyone does their job?

quote: When has this organization ever had the chance to get either Wade or Kobe? I compared Howard's attractiveness with Kobe's and Wade's. I didnt say he did not attract THEM. We can be talking about any superstar now, you name it.

quote: Your reading comprehension is so bad that its almost like you are a kid. 1- Your whole "Lakers are traditional team" vanishes when you look what the Miami Heat have accomplished in such a short existence. 2- I said "The one time we DID HIT IT, the player left after 4 seasons", that was McGrady. So dont tell me I didnt mark it as an accomplishment or a positive. Actually, it was precisely what I meant there. 3- I never said we gave up McGrady for Billups and Wallace. I said "we gave away some amazing talent without knowing it" after the sentece that put a positive note on the McGrady thing. If you haven't learned it already, a COMMA can be used to separate statements from each other. I dont have to get anything right there. 4- We gave up Wallace and ATKINS for Hill on that trade. YOU get that right, schmuk. If you dare showing up trying to highlight your minimal IQ, then at least get your fact rights, or learn how to read. Therefore, I won't have to DESTROY you again. THESE are the statements I wanted you to refute, Echo. The other questions were for BMP. Are you sleepwalking today?

ButterMilkPancakes Posted July 23, 2010 02:33 PM Hide Post Yes, signing a guy that was averaging 20/7/6 WAS a great signing. What happened after wasn't our fault. It was uninformed (stupid) because you're talking down on a franchise for not doing things that are nearly impossible to do. Riley tanked. He didn't make any significant moves all those 4 years and only made it to the playoffs (where they lost in the 1st round) because of Wade. Out of all of those things you mentioned, the only ones worth noting would be the Lakers bringing in Gasol (I dare you to think of a trade that lopsided) and the Heat getting all 3 players (which hasn't happened since... Erving/Collins/McGinnis. There have been plenty of reports and articles that could very well support the idea that they've been planning all of that out, and you should check them out. ****, during the middle of last season, Riley himself said those were his plans, and just a year ago someone else reported it would be happening. No one wanted to believe it because it seemed too unrealistic. Never mind the Magic trading for the rights to Penny AND keeping Shaq, also signing Horace Grant as a FA. Winning is what get players interested, and there are PLENTY of players interested in joining Howard and the Magic. Only problem with that is that the team doesn't have any money to sign any FAs and you can't expect a team to pull out impossible trades a-la-Gasol. What about Garnett for Jefferson and scrubs? What about Jamison for Illgauskas (even though they did not win anything, it was lopsided for the Cavs)? Magic traded for Penny giving no less than Webber - Does it seem like those "steal" trades to you? Essentially, we gave an all star for an all star, it was just that Penny exploded in 95/96 and Webber in 2000/01/02. How is is that the most powerful big man in the whole league is not as attracting to the other players as for example Wade or Kobe? Cant it be that it has to do with the job of the Magic organization, or is it just that the city is not as appealing to them? Dont tell me about Shaq, because Shaq is not the only one who left us in the search for stardom. I am not TALKING DOWN a franchise. I already said that the key draftees were successful. SVG signing and the depth this team has are excellent, IMO. I am just saying that most offseason or deadline decisions not involving the draft were probably key to avoid us of a championship, not just now, but since 96.

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quote: Temper temper. Your list was an abhorent attempt to paint the Magic organization in a negative light. Get over it. I did not intend to put the organization in a negative light. I wanted to point a recurrent flaw I have seen in this team. I do it because I would like my team to continue progressing, instead of making the same bull mistakes from the past. You could also stop with your theory and try to answer my points, since I have not seen your explanation.

How do you plan on "destroying" anyone when your original post was so *******... uninformed? I can't believe you're complaining the Magic can't pull off something the PLAYERS themselves hardly have any say over (Gasol trade, Riley tanking for 4 seasons to get enough space for 3 FAs at nearly max), Barnes leaving (which was hardly that. He was looking for a pay day and we weren't gonna give it to him. We replaced him. It's not that he didn't want to stay. All he talked about throughout the year and when he opted out was how much he wanted to stay). Grant Hill was a GREAT signing, you know, until he got all those 100 injuries. I can't believe you're actually complaining that the Magic haven't been able to do what 2 franchises did (out of a possibly 30) that hasn't been done before since who the **** knows when. The Heat big 3 hardly took a pay cut (at least from their original contracts), especially with no state taxes and endorsements (especially Bosh) they'll be getting. They got a minimum pay cut for something they have been planning on doing for YEARS. It had nothing to do with Miami and the organization being great at luring guys, it had to do with them becoming best friends on TEAM USA and just making sure they all became FAs at the same time. The Gasol trade was a HUGE steal and only happened because the GM was a ****ing moron. KG actually had second thoughts about joining Boston because of the city, but after seeing he'd be playing with Allen and Pierce, he couldn't refuse. You tell me exactly how we haven't "lured" Paul? He's not a FA and won't be a FA until 2012 or 2013 (if he doesn't opt out). If you're seriously complaining about the fact that we haven't been able to trade for him, keep in mind that it's not up to Paul, but the Hornets management. 1- Grant Hill was a great signing? Really? Wow. 2- Why was my post uninformed? 3- If Riley tanked for 4 seasons, how come they reached the playoffs in 2 of that 4 seasons 4- Is not 2 franchises that kept/traded/signed a major superstar while having other one already there. The Lakers did it (Kobe was there, bring Gasol). The Spurs did it (Robinson was there, keep Duncan.Duncan was there, keep Manu and Parker). The Celtics did it (Pierce was there, bring Allen and KG). The Heat did it (Wade, bring LeBron and Bosh). The Rockets did it (Hakeem, bring Drexler). 5- Were you the only one who knew that the players have been planning this for years? Maybe you knew also where LeBron was gonna end and could've saved us all some time regarding that "decision"

quote: First off, the Lakers have a long and glorious history in the league, Orlando is 20 years old. Shaq wanted to play for the Lakers. Period. There was nothing Orlando could have done differently to change his mind, so I'm not sure how you could fault the team for that. McGrady was traded. Coincidentally, he was targeted as a free agent and brought to this team to blossom, so he should actually be viewed as a positive move. Nice try though. Paul? You have Chris Paul on this list? Why? Is he actually available? Was he available, and Otis failed to bring him here while we watched him go to the Nicks and make them a better team? There are rumors he wants out. There are rumors of conversations with Orlando, and there are rumors that Orlando is number two on his list. Again, wouldn't that be a positive for the team? Barnes is a cheap role player who went looking for a big payday only to find he was already getting paid what he was worth. Apparently the team decided Q-Rish was a better fit, and they moved on. Not a big deal. Again, role player. Ariza was traded (bad trade, sure, but traded), we had no problems "keeping" him here. Duncan is the ONE guy on this list that Orlando made a big effort to get here and failed. He ended up sticking it out in San Antonio out of loyalty. Interestingly enough, Orlando was trying to do what Miami just did (Hill, T-Mac, and Duncan). They made a play for him, but he was loyal to the Spurs. Hill didn't want to take a back seat to Hedo, so he left. It was the best move for Orlando, to bring Hill off the bench, and the best move for Hill to look elsewhere if he wanted starting minutes. Not a bad thing for the team. We didn't give up Billups and Wallace to get McGrady. We gave up Wallace and Billups to get Hill, T-Mac, and a shot at Duncan as well. Get it right. Your attempt to paint the organization in a massively negative light fails even more than you think the organization fails. Your reading comprehension is so bad that its almost like you are a kid. 1- Your whole "Lakers are traditional team" vanishes when you look what the Miami Heat have accomplished in such a short existence. 2- I said "The one time we DID HIT IT, the player left after 4 seasons", that was McGrady. So dont tell me I didnt mark it as an accomplishment or a positive. Actually, it was precisely what I meant there. 3- I never said we gave up McGrady for Billups and Wallace. I said "we gave away some amazing talent without knowing it" after the sentece that put a positive note on the McGrady thing. If you haven't learned it already, a COMMA can be used to separate statements from each other. I dont have to get anything right there. 4- We gave up Wallace and ATKINS for Hill on that trade. YOU get that right, schmuk. If you dare showing up trying to highlight your minimal IQ, then at least get your fact rights, or learn how to read. Therefore, I won't have to DESTROY you again.

I said it and I say again. Orlando has some serious "incapability" in keeping/signing/trading/attracting important players. - Shaq - McGrady - Paul - Barnes - Ariza - Duncan - Hill I mean, I dont think its entirely the organization fault (see Hill and TMac for example). But this is now more than a trend. How is it that we dont lure FAs (Paul, Duncan) like Riley does? Why some good role players (Hill, Barnes) think they will have more chances to win the title in other squad? The only good news for this team in it history came through the draft (Shaq, Dwight, Jameer). We have plain SUCKED in FA (Lewis unbelievable contract, not getting Timmy D., G.Hill fiasco), the one time we did hit it the player left after 4 seasons (McGrady), we gave away some amazing talent without knowing it (Ben Wallace or Billups) and our trades were mostly dissapointing (except when we got Ariza, and of course, we giftwrapped him to LA, who just by chance, beat us in the Finals). We never had a Garnett/Gasol/LeBron steal. We never had players taking paycuts to play in our team. This is ****ed up. One user is right, though. "God (and our GMs) hates Magic fans"

quote: ummm plenty of big names would love to come to Orlando and play..........we cant afford them right now Yes. I meant that they do want to come, but for some or other reason, maybe bad recruiting, they never COME.

Paul's wish list 1- NYK 2- Orlando 3- Dallas 4- Portland http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5401230 Also, anyone knows why all top players go to Miami, and even some role (M. Miller), and no top player want to come to Orlando? Talk about some bad recruitement.

Isnt it sad how many of this bloody billionaires cant even write simple words like "just" or "are" when they tweet? And to think that professionals all over the world are starving.

Paul, Deron, Derrick Rose, Tony Parker and Nash (yeah, Nash) would be the only PGs I would not regret trading Jameer for. And in 3/4 years, Ricky Rubio.