Murphy13
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6 hours ago, TrueBlueDrew said:So where are we trading Vuc and Biz? I'm good with Birch backing up Bamba and letting Issac/AG/Bamba/Birch be our rotation of bigs.
It would be very risky to go into the season with just Mo and Birch. We need to keep one of Nik or Biyombo for depth during the grind.
4 hours ago, Soul Bro said:Kudos to Briscoe, especially his defense. Hope he makes the team.
Didn't we just sign him to a multiyear contract? I think he has to be on the team.
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2 hours ago, Nyce_1 said:If the ball will be in JI and AG's hands more, I'd prefer a PG that can do more off-ball. Someone that can contribute to winning without being ball dominant and still help our guys' development.
Not so sure about JI yet, but we will be better with the ball in AG's hands less, not more. A PG that can defend and hit 3's is what we want, just like everyone else.
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24 minutes ago, HeHateMe said:Their fans seem like 80% mad they matched. Not only is it a lot of money but they wanted to make a run for 2 max guys next year.
Few players are worth 20 million, the odds are stacked against Lavine justifying that contract.
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35 minutes ago, Soul Bro said:Interesting take on AG on NBA TV today. David Griffin shared that AG has not demonstrated that he can lead a team to winning, and he shared that AG’s likely a second or third option on a winning team. Thus, he doesn’t believe AG is worth a max deal.
That’s pretty accurate.
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2 minutes ago, Odin said:I don’t know much about him but statistically, isn’t he kind of duplication of talent? Mario at least gives us something different. Not sure we need a back up shooting under 30% from three that doesn’t give us different looks.
Mario isn't staying.
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57 minutes ago, Justin Jaudon said:The fact that anyone wants to let him leave is ridiculous. Worst case scenario (meaning matching the max and he doesn't improve much), he's the equivalent of Kevin Love for the Cavs. Big contract. Good but not great player. His contract isn't hurting you, really. If he doesn't improve much at all, he's still a solid 3rd option on offense and a decent defender on defense. Any contract we match will be done by the time Mo is off his rookie deal.
I'd rather hold onto him but on a team friendly deal, not max. He has a long ways to go before he is in Love's tier of player.
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1 hour ago, ?4thewin said:Counterpoint, if not for an entrenched Lowry, he would have started for Toronto.
Toronto was considerably better when he played. 7 points per 100 possessions better.
He's a good defender, shoots 45% on catch and shoot threes, and was the best bench point guard in the league last year.
Was he a product of the environment, or vice versa? I'd look much better backing up Lowry than starting for the Magic last year.
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17 minutes ago, ?4thewin said:It kind of depends on what you're trying to point out. For lineup data there's 3,936 total minutes in a season. So a 20% sample of that is 787 minutes. But there's only 3 lineups that exceeded that benchmark last year.
I usually use 100 minutes to observe trends in major lineups because thats usually at least 6 or 7 games and that's when enough for outliers to quiet down. For minor lineups you might be able to take something from 50 minutes but you really need to drill down into the data to see where it came from. Did Birch enter the game down 35 at the start of the fourth quarter and cut the lead to 27 against scrubs? That's going to be noisy.
That’s a good baseline explanation but to reach true statistical significance it would probably require far more than 100 minute lineups. Generally you would have to include minute intervals that cover 95% of available minutes in order to be powered appropriately.
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To be clear, I wasn’t stating that our offense is worse with AG necessarily, just that there’s more wasted offensive possessions when he’s featured. This is particularly evident post ASB but our team as a whole caved by that point so it’s difficult to apply external validity to what would otherwise be compelling.
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57 minutes ago, Odin said:I am confused on your argument now. Are you now arguing that Gordon was detrimental to our offensive production as well?
It means he is not a productive offensive player right now, he is not currently good at offense. Thus his impact on our scoring is detrimental for the most part, whereas Isaac’s lack of offense isn’t detrimental due to its minimal impact on available possessions.
Its less about AG and more about Isaac.
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16 minutes ago, Catalina Maria said:How was he hurting our offense? I thought he was highly efficient and should have been given the opportunity to score more.
Surpringly, I felt it was AG who became the chucker as the season progressed. AG needs to work on letting the game come to him. Put backs, rebounds, and transition plays are strengths over his settling for the 3 point shot.
Agree, there’s a difference between lack of offense and poor offense. Isaac is the former, AG latter. They both have opportunities, but only one is really detrimental.
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1 minute ago, ?4thewin said:The actual numbers don't support your anecdotal evidence but ok.
They do, but don't let that stop your narrative. I have no interest in rehashing this as its been brought up many times over the years. The same stats you discredit were the ones you leaned on until they didn't say what you wanted them to say anymore. We can still be friends.
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1 minute ago, ?4thewin said:Kevin O'Connor said he was talking with an NBA official that suggested schroder isn't as bad as his play suggests and he's more a victim of circumstance. Then Bill Simmons started to build a trade centered around Biyombo (lol).
I disagree, but it's something to keep in mind.
Let's face it, all these players are really really good. It's all about fit.
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28 minutes ago, ?4thewin said:Giannis and Durant were the guys he couldn't defend. He gave up points to guys like Jalen Jones or RHJ (and those types of guys) which isn't really a statement on ability, more focus issues that he needs to work on. If you stick him on good players he locks in. If you stick him on bad players he falls asleep
I've seen him get torn up by almost anyone each game he's in. That said he also has good moments and has some potential left, but he is far more overrated than underrated. He is plain not good at offense, ball handling, or making adjustments. He is marginally above average defensively. His overall IQ appears to negate his defensive ability as he often screws up the perimeter defensive flow. His niche is situational isolation defense. This can change, but he hasn't really improved over the past few years, he's just gotten more minutes and usage.
I don't understand Exum at this point. He's worse than Payton, even when he's disinterested.
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6 minutes ago, JJZFL said:Be interesting to see if anyone agrees with you, and how much interest he commands at this point. Could he be headed out of the NBA?
With how dry FA is I expect him to take a 1 year flier on a playoff team as a backup, build up some good will, and then try his hand at securing a long term deal next year.
At least that's what I would do, I would hope he doesn't chase money and end up in another low leverage situation...though it's his life and maybe he's good fading away.
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1 hour ago, HeHateMe said:Disagree.
Good point guards still put up good numbers on bad teams. Let’s no do this dance with EP. He isn’t good. That’s really the extent of it.
Good point guards improve every year they are in the league, like he has. That's the extent. People here think pg's are plug and play, they aren't. Our team doesn't deserve a homegrown pg with our collective lack of understanding. Trades and FA, sure..
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1 hour ago, jec said:When healthy, the Magic were a good bit better than the Suns. And while I agree that Elfrid is used as a scapegoat by some, and being on bad teams can hurt your performance if you aren't a star player or something, absolving him of all fault is absurd. He certainly can be to blame for not improving and playing lazy.
I should have replaced the word 'nothing' with 'little'. I'm not absolving him of anything, he wasn't what we needed him to be. He is a much better player than what showed here and PHX is a non starter as it relates to 'opportunity'. If you think he didn't improve then I'm not sure what else can be said.
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1 hour ago, Mauro Pedrosa said:And when is that going to happen?
Probably next season it would seem.
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7 hours ago, Soul Bro said:EP has wasted two very good opportunities
I can't equate being on the two statistically worst teams of the last 5 years to very good opportunities. If you don't have talent on your team, you won't look like a good point guard. Our team was terrible and it had
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That ship has sailed for both sides.
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1 hour ago, ?4thewin said:I agree. We had a guardian angel in that draft. Every mistake someone made before we could
The draft worked out perfectly for us considering our draft spots. There are some teams that are going to regret the moves they made, I don't think we'll be one of them. I do wish we had gotten our hands on Devonte as well, even though I like the Frazier pick.
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1 hour ago, HeHateMe said:Newsflash: Europeans are white.
I’m 100% European. I’m white.
You know he's being stupid, right?
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13 minutes ago, jec said:They're not white. They're European.
Trollolol...
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2 minutes ago, ROCK LEGENDS PHOTOGRAPHERS said:He will be great offensively off the bench until we can find a trade for him but I'd rather not play him because the layup drills disgust me.
Perimeter defense (or lack thereof in our situation) was a larger reason for that than Nik himself. I am well aware of your position on the matter though.
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Young isn’t like those guys; Nash, Curry, and Bibby to a lesser extent were all more athletic than Young and able to facilitate more than Young. Honestly Young isn’t very good, he might not be an NBA player. The guys you mentioned (minus bibby) are HOF’ers. Apples to oranges.