LJ Magic

They have to come out with something after all the hype and cap room. It would not be surprised if the tendered and offer to Gordon after missing out on the big fish. Would be funny though. It would mean they struck out on their top marks and had to look at restricted free agents. That Laker legacy is not what it used to be.

I think Thomas makes sense on a short term, reasonably priced contract if our docs approve his medical records. We need a crafty veteran scorer at guard to take pressure off of our very young bigs so that they can learn at their own pace and not face unreasonable expectations to carry the scoring load. Thomas can do that if healthy and on a 1 + 1 deal he is going to have something to prove without a lot of risk to us. If he shows something he could be a great trade asset or we just keep him since it is short term. I would rather do something like this than get wrapped up in a four year deal with someone that is not a long term answer. That is the type of contract the young options like FVV will be looking for.

Surprised by lack of veteran trades tonight. I cannot recall a draft where no veterans were traded.

Let me start by saying I am not a huge fan of his game but considering that we have defensive guys that can cover other's shortcomings and considering we are short on scoring and point guard play does it make sense to sign Isaiah Thomas on a one year deal? He could take some pressure off the young guys and spread the floor. For him it could be a "prove it" sort of year to show he is healthy and still can be effective. We get a temporary fix and he gets a chance to sign a bigger contract a year later. Might make sense if it is cheap. Any thoughts?

Brothers. Jrue is there.

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Danny Manning just made the best comparison for Trae Young that I had not heard yet. Do any of you remember Damon Stoudamire? Similar size and shooting.

I don't want another big guy that lives to shoot threes. Don't we have that area covered already? I want a slasher or another very good low post defender and scorer. If one isn't available now lets wait until the trade deadline when Carter's expiring becomes more valuable since 80% of it will have been paid out.

quote: Originally posted by cunningstunt: quote: Originally posted by Drain-O:I'm glad Dan Gilbert is taking this well. this. You can't really blame him. Aside from the way it was handled, which was poor, this guy woke up this morning with a franchise that probably depreciated in value $100-$200 million overnight. That is a tough pill to swallow and that doesn't even include the loss he is going to take on merchandise and ticket sales. I would be a little bitter too.

I think Otis has done a decent job but I also believe a large amount of the credit goes to ownership. Had ownership said that they refuse to pay luxury tax during difficult economic times then this team would be crippled by the Lewis contract. Ownership has stepped up in a big way allowing Otis the opportunity to makeup for a poison pill contract which I believe he has done very well.

quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by otownmagic333:btw the deng deal for a serviceable center, is to portland for pryzbilla and bayless pryzbilla is coming off a double knee injury... I think this deal is mostly designed to allow Chicago to get more cap space so that they can officially sign two max guys.

quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by LJ Magic: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by XaviInThe407: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by LJ Magic:Some of these posts make me laugh because it is like three years ago all over again when people said that the Celtics wouldn't be good enough to win with three superstars and a bunch of castoffs. Guess what, they not only won but they kicked our butts. That was a squad made up of guys mostly past their primes. If Wade, Bosh, Noah, and Rose team up we are in deep trouble. That is a young nucleus of all stars and future all stars and they are going to be the team to beat in the east. Take off the blue goggles folks. If Wade and Bosh sign on then we need a Chris Paul type of deal to keep up. nah, the deals arent really comparable. Pierce Allen and Garnett all fit together well. It took good (defensive) coaching, an established core of good draft picks (perkins, rondo, and to a much lesser extent tony allen), and two "last hurrah" guys ( cassell and brown) to make that championship happen. It took those guys to be past their prime for it to all work out well. Lebron and Wade are both "Pierce" type guys. Bosh does not even compare to Garnett. The possibility is there, but to say its the same situation shows an improper respect for the complexities of the '08 celtics and how hard it actually is to build a team that fits together. Lebron, D. Wade & Bosh are all Magic killers..lol..Don't lie to yourself..lol. gary payton, karl malone, Kobe, Shaq Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain x3 the 82-83 lakers those combinations of players didn't win it all. Malone was in his last year and got injured in the finals, Payton was a shell of his old self. If Malone was healthy they could have won the finals. Bad Example. Baylor, West and Chamberlain lost to a Celtics Dynasty including hall of famers Russell, Havlicek, Sam Jones and a Knicks team including hall of famers Reed, Frazier, DeBusschere, and Bradley. Bad Example The 82-83 Lakers lost to a Sixers team with hall of famers Julius Erving, and Moses Malone plus players like Mo Cheeks, Bobby Jones, and Andrew Toney. Bad Example They weren't hall of famers while they were playing. Dwight might be a hall of famer. If lewis can play for a few more years and break ray allen's eventual records then he might be in the hall of fame. If Vince gets a championship he might be in the hall of fame. Daniel Orton might surprise us all and be a top center eventual hall of famer. Glory, Fame, and Championships are earned. Just because you put talent on the floor does not mean you get to win it all automatically. We've been good enough to win it all these last two years. It hasn't worked out yet. We've beaten "better" teams before, we can beat them again. Hope you are right though it is less of an uphill battle if you have the most talent. It would be nice to be in that boat.

quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by XaviInThe407: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by LJ Magic:Some of these posts make me laugh because it is like three years ago all over again when people said that the Celtics wouldn't be good enough to win with three superstars and a bunch of castoffs. Guess what, they not only won but they kicked our butts. That was a squad made up of guys mostly past their primes. If Wade, Bosh, Noah, and Rose team up we are in deep trouble. That is a young nucleus of all stars and future all stars and they are going to be the team to beat in the east. Take off the blue goggles folks. If Wade and Bosh sign on then we need a Chris Paul type of deal to keep up. nah, the deals arent really comparable. Pierce Allen and Garnett all fit together well. It took good (defensive) coaching, an established core of good draft picks (perkins, rondo, and to a much lesser extent tony allen), and two "last hurrah" guys ( cassell and brown) to make that championship happen. It took those guys to be past their prime for it to all work out well. Lebron and Wade are both "Pierce" type guys. Bosh does not even compare to Garnett. The possibility is there, but to say its the same situation shows an improper respect for the complexities of the '08 celtics and how hard it actually is to build a team that fits together. Lebron, D. Wade & Bosh are all Magic killers..lol..Don't lie to yourself..lol. gary payton, karl malone, Kobe, Shaq Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain x3 the 82-83 lakers those combinations of players didn't win it all. Malone was in his last year and got injured in the finals, Payton was a shell of his old self. If Malone was healthy they could have won the finals. Bad Example. Baylor, West and Chamberlain lost to a Celtics Dynasty including hall of famers Russell, Havlicek, Sam Jones and a Knicks team including hall of famers Reed, Frazier, DeBusschere, and Bradley. Bad Example The 82-83 Lakers lost to a Sixers team with hall of famers Julius Erving, and Moses Malone plus players like Mo Cheeks, Bobby Jones, and Andrew Toney. Bad Example

quote: Originally posted by sportsfanatic: quote: Originally posted by petey: quote: Originally posted by sportsfanatic: and they have a solid defensive minded new coach to top it off..ughhh lol it has not happened yet just remind yourselves of that ha...true...can you tell i'm getting close to 'chicken little' status though? I'm getting there too, sorry everybody. I do think it is becoming clear that the top guys want to find a way to get together somewhere which makes me a little nervous. The only thing good about Wade and Bosh teaming up in Chicago is that Lebron would be left out in the cold. That would be very funny indeed.

quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by LJ Magic:Some of these posts make me laugh because it is like three years ago all over again when people said that the Celtics wouldn't be good enough to win with three superstars and a bunch of castoffs. Guess what, they not only won but they kicked our butts. That was a squad made up of guys mostly past their primes. If Wade, Bosh, Noah, and Rose team up we are in deep trouble. That is a young nucleus of all stars and future all stars and they are going to be the team to beat in the east. Take off the blue goggles folks. If Wade and Bosh sign on then we need a Chris Paul type of deal to keep up. nah, the deals arent really comparable. Pierce Allen and Garnett all fit together well. It took good (defensive) coaching, an established core of good draft picks (perkins, rondo, and to a much lesser extent tony allen), and two "last hurrah" guys ( cassell and brown) to make that championship happen. It took those guys to be past their prime for it to all work out well. Lebron and Wade are both "Pierce" type guys. Bosh does not even compare to Garnett. The possibility is there, but to say its the same situation shows an improper respect for the complexities of the '08 celtics and how hard it actually is to build a team that fits together. For arguments sake lets say it is Bosh instead of James. Rose will give Nelson all kinds of trouble on both ends. He has the size to really cause problems. Wade will eat Carter alive. Bosh and Noah are both very good players capable of putting Howard in foul trouble. Bosh is versatile enough to chase Rashard on the perimeter. Wade and Bosh are unselfish superstars and Noah and Rose have both shown they are team players at a very young age. The other deal being tossed around is Deng for Bayless and Przybilla. Przybilla provides more size, fouls for Howard, and rebounding. Bayless is still a young player capable of providing a spark off the bench. I don't buy that this team can't mesh. Of course they will and they have far superior raw talent.

I was probably venting a little with my prior post but just can't believe that the Bulls may pass us by now that the Celtics are finally aging. I mean Wade, Bosh (or James), Noah, Rose, whatever they can get for Deng, Gibson, etc. is nasty good and young.

Bill Ingrim is reporting that the deal being discussed is Deng for Przybilla and Bayless.

Some of these posts make me laugh because it is like three years ago all over again when people said that the Celtics wouldn't be good enough to win with three superstars and a bunch of castoffs. Guess what, they not only won but they kicked our butts. That was a squad made up of guys mostly past their primes. If Wade, Bosh, Noah, and Rose team up we are in deep trouble. That is a young nucleus of all stars and future all stars and they are going to be the team to beat in the east. Take off the blue goggles folks. If Wade and Bosh sign on then we need a Chris Paul type of deal to keep up.

quote: Originally posted by M4G1C: quote: Originally posted by Drain-O:When does this thread officially defeat the internet. Also to tally: The Wolves have spent 33 million on Darko and another Euro player I have never heard of. The Bucks have spent 72 million on Drew Gooden and John Salmons. The Hawks have offered Joe Johnson 119 million. Channing Frye is somehow still considering 25 million dollars. How the heck are the owners going to get a new CBA? what recession And per Marc Stein Rudy Gay is on the verge of a 5 year $80 million agreement to stay with the Griz.

Two small deals that have gone under the radar could have drastic implications on our ability to compete for a championship in the foreseeable future. With the Wizards absorbing Hinrich's contract in July and with the Heat moving Cook and the guaranteed contract associated with their 17th pick both could be contenders very soon. The question is whether they will jump over us on the ladder. The Heat can now offer three max contracts. Riley doesn't give away draft picks and young players for nothing. Wade may have told him that getting Lebron and Bosh or some other combination is a very real possibility if he can clear the space. The Celtics were tough with their older and less talented big three. A combo of Wade, Lebron, and Bosh or any other three max level guys would be difficult to handle. The Bulls can now offer two max contracts to go along with Rose, Deng, Gibson, and Noah. Lebron and Bosh or even Johnson and Boozer would make them tough. What do you guys think will happen. I think I am more nervous about Miami but both situations are imposing and deserve attention. I hope Otis can keep up in the arms race.

quote: Originally posted by TreyTime: quote: Originally posted by LJ Magic:Forgive me if somebody has made this point already. Otis said that he has talked to Toronto about Turkoglu. Since Bosh is rumored to be as good as gone that will leave Toronto with a big hole in their front court. Bargnani is better suited to play power forward and needs a defensive rebounder type to play with. Is it possible that Otis has talked to Toronto about an Okafor/Turkoglu swap? Is Toronto that "third team" everyone is talking about? I think it makes sense. We would trade Vince and Nelson for Chris Paul and Okafor and then send Okafor to Toronto for Turkoglu. We would have a point guard and swing man, Toronto gets a big defensive player to team with Bargnani and New Orleans gets players and cap flexibility. If so this could be held up until the Bosh situation sorts itself out. It was just a thought. What do you guys think? So our roster would be: STARTERS G - Chris Paul G - JJ Redick F - Hedo Turkoglu F - Rashard Lewis C - Dwight Howard BENCH G - Jason Williams G - Mickael Pietrus F - Mickael Pietrus F - Ryan Anderson, Brandon Bass C - Marcin Gortat As much as I would hate to see Turk come back, because then everyone on TV would say "Told you they couldn't win without Turk!", it wouldn't be the worst idea that has come up in this thread. Would most certainly have to get a backup PG not named Jason Williams though, unless it's the black one from Duke on ESPN. Something like that. We would still have the MLE to fill out the bench. I just think it makes some sense. Okafor is a really bad contract so to trade him off somewhere we are going to have to take on a really bad contract. Turkoglu's deal, unfortunately, seems to fit the bill and everyone knows Toronto has tried to move it already. If I'm Toronto I don't do that trade until I find out Bosh is gone for sure and no sign and trade options work.

quote: Originally posted by MagicAtic: quote: Originally posted by FENDI:Would the possible arrival of CP3 if we can trade okafor to canada, not be a big enough addition? Not bad thinking: VC and Meer for CP3 and Okafor. Then Okafor to Raptors for Turk. Turks contract runs out at the same time as Rashards AND Howard. We would be set up for a major FA player with Howard as our attraction to come here. Now the roster would be extremely upgraded, resign JJ, Barnes, and go for Travis Outlaw Only player I would be sad to see go is Meer because he is a really great guy. I wrote this in the other thread and agree with you. I think Toronto may be that "third team" rumored in the CP3 deal. Just speculation but it makes sense

Forgive me if somebody has made this point already. Otis said that he has talked to Toronto about Turkoglu. Since Bosh is rumored to be as good as gone that will leave Toronto with a big hole in their front court. Bargnani is better suited to play power forward and needs a defensive rebounder type to play with. Is it possible that Otis has talked to Toronto about an Okafor/Turkoglu swap? Is Toronto that "third team" everyone is talking about? I think it makes sense. We would trade Vince and Nelson for Chris Paul and Okafor and then send Okafor to Toronto for Turkoglu. We would have a point guard and swing man, Toronto gets a big defensive player to team with Bargnani and New Orleans gets players and cap flexibility. If so this could be held up until the Bosh situation sorts itself out. It was just a thought. What do you guys think?

quote: Originally posted by TreyTime:The Heat still can't sign three max contracts yet, they still have to find someone to take Beasley off their hands. Even then, the roster would look like this: STARTERS: G - NBDL Scrub G - Dwyane Wade F - LeBron James F - Chris Bosh C - NBDL Scrub BENCH: G - NBDL Scrub G - NBDL Scrub F - NBDL Scrub F - NBDL Scrub C - NBDL Scrub You don't think a team with those three guys and would be imposing regardless of the other players? Certainly veterans looking for a ring will sign on for cheap plus they would have the MLE and Bi-annual in future years to fill out the roster. Same things were said about Boston three years ago and look how that turned out.

It sounds like this is all very contingent on finding a team to take on four more years of Okafor at $11m to $14m. If it hinges on that I don't think it will happen. What team is going to pay that price unless they are giving up an equally bad contract? There were so many bigs in this draft and free agency has Boozer, Lee, Bosh, Nowitzki, Amare, and others. Why would any team help us out?