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6 minutes ago, fan for too long 2 said:
Nope and you can’t make me. Lololol.
Those who think AB is our future point guard. Well he is a guard and his title is point guard, beyond that I need more proof. A guy who dribbles up the court and hands it off immediately to Paolo or franz and then hides in the corner, is not a future anything, let alone a point guard.
+1,000
I couldn't agree more. The 'laughter gif' was the way I reacted to your ". . .a loooong wait" response. In my opinion AB should be the 3rd pg coming off the bench if needed or in garbage time. In watching the playoffs, I've been spoiled by "how a top notch point guard should play"--one who knows how to effectively play the point guard position on a consistent basis. AB had a couple of flashes last season, but he was never consistent.
Yeah, I said it!
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Posted yesterday at 5:54 p.m, A Better DJ & Photographer said:
But his defense is so bad! I'd rather see us focus on getting a good PG to carry us until AB is ready.
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On 6/25/2025 at 6:57 PM, fan for too long 2 said:That is a loooong wait.
Fan,,,STOP IT!!!
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5 hours ago, jmmagicfan said:
I think our core is going to be good together, but if we don’t have any cohesive team offense, I don’t know how much any single player can improve our team. I like our pieces, but still have doubts about our coaching.
+1 Thank you!
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5 hours ago, MagicMan1979 said:
TMF you need to really study Banes game more if you’re comparing him to those players. The only thing they have in common is they can shoot. Bane is a pick and roll playmaker. He plays closer to our guy Steph than he does those forwards.
No he does not play closer to Steph. Some players try to imitate Steph.
You miss my point. I don't disagree with you on Bane's ability, versatility. . . and maybe basketball acuity.
In my opinion, Bane would best be used solely as a shooting guard, his ability to make 3-point shots, is a distractor from other teams that were sagging in the paint with 3 or 4 players surrounding Franz and Banchero to prevent them from scoring close to the basket. Another strategy that other teams used to prevent the Magic from getting to the basket is "zone play". They were not concerned about other Magic players because of lack of 3-point shooters.
In the last half of the season, did you not see how Franz was missing easy layups? He got close to the basket and tossed the ball over the basket.
And yes, I watched plenty of the Grizzlies games. I am a basketball and football junkie. :)
Edit: We shouldn't plan to use a newcomer based on how they occasionally played for another team. For example: Aaron Gordon was used as a ball handler on the Magic a number of times, but he is not a ball handler for Denver and it has worked out for that team. In watching Denver games, I have seen Aaron playing a lot on the perimeter and in the corner, not as a ball handler.
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6 hours ago, OnlyFranz said:
We don’t need a Penny or Magic just a serviceable pg who you can throw into the starting lineup when needed. How do the Pacers have 3 pg’s that can all run that offense and we struggle to find one? San Antonio is about to have the same problem if they draft Dylan Harper with Fox and Castle already there. Those are the types of teams we need to try and trade with.
+1
I agree
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2 minutes ago, CTMagicUK said:
I'm sure the Magic would love to add a Penny Hardaway or a Magic Johnson but that player is not out there.
I agree. And there is no player today (non point guard) who can play that position like Lebron. The Magic is a totally different team than Lebron and the Lakers. Lebron has been like a second coach for them (not technically). But I am pretty sure he has some input into how the team plays. The Magic players do not have that kind of input in game plans.
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Raise your hand if you have been watching the playoffs.
If you really paid attention as I did, I witnessed a whole different style of play during the playoffs as opposed to the regular season. It has been fast paced. Players and ball movement was a sight to behold. It has been amazing the way the ball has moved around and touching so many players hands until they found an open man. Players did not just stand in the corner. I saw players run to the corner in a catch and shoot. They didn't just stand there watching iso from a teammate. I don't know how to describe it. It has been so much fun to watch.
Since we have added a 3 pt. shooter in "you know who", he needs to help spread the floor like Ryan Anderson, Dennis Scott, Rashard Lewis did for the Magic. We need a Penny Hardaway, who was a highly skilled point guard known for his scoring and playmaking to run the show just like my Magic Johnson.
That's my 2 cents.
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All I hear is we need a point guard
We need a PG...
What would getting a new PG in do for our offense? Please explain??
QuoteI guess you don’t know what a pg’s role is on a team because we haven’t had a real one in decades. I already outlined in my previous post on how having a pg would open up the offense.
Let’s recap: Having someone who can initiate the offense and get the ball to all those guys you just mentioned above in places where they are comfortable scoring from is the easiest way to fix our offensive lulls during games. We don’t post up Paolo nearly enough because he’s busy trying to set up our offense and Franz doesn’t get easy shots because he’s always trying to create for himself. Imagine how much better he would be offensively and defensively if he didn’t have to exert so much energy trying to play Point forward the whole game, same could be said about Paolo.
That’s just a couple of examples on how having a traditional pg would make sense for this team. If AB can turn in to that then great but I wouldn’t bet my entire season on it. So I believe getting at least a serviceable pg would just be good business practice. We don’t need them to start we just need them to be in the 2nd unit to help Suggs and Bane when one of them goes to the bench or if an injury occurs. Not sure where the harm in that is.
+1000. Like fan for too long2, I cannot activate the upvote.
I'm sorry to quote OnlyFranz lengthy post, but everything he said in my opinion is spot on.
Quote9 hrs. ago fan for too long 2 said:
a point guard is more than just a distributor he is the floor leader. Gets everyone in their correct spot, is vocal, and gets easier opportunities for his teammates. And it doesn’t even have to be a point guard per se. Jordan, Lebron, being two examples. We still don’t have that player.
To your point, Fan, 99% of current nba teams do not have a non-point guard who can do the things you mentioned. Aging Lebron is the only non-point guard today that fits into that category.
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This is such a dumb argument. Dude comes into the league and gets labeled a "SG" and we all have to pretend he can't handle the ball and make plays for others because of some archaic archetypes? Do we think the 5 assists a game he averaged last year just fell into his lap? Ja Morant did all the ball handling and then at the last minute he passed to Bane who then passed it to someone else for the assist?
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19 hours ago, MagicMan1979 said:
I agree like others have posted we are building a backcourt like The Celtics. Jrue Holiday and Derrick White didn’t even average 5 assists per game this season.
We have four ball handlers and distributors in Paolo, Franz, Bane, and Suggs. I don’t think there will be a problem with smart passing. Bane solves so many problems with his game his playmaking ability being nearly as important as his volume three point shooting for The Magic.
If people want a true point guard they should be a bench player. No way Suggs or Bane are coming out of that starting line up.
Okay, let's revisit your post at training camp and preseason 2025.
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I've seen Bane when the Grizzlies played against the Magic and the Warriors. Correct me if I'm wrong but I have never seen him play the point guard position.
I don't think JJZL and I are questioning Bane's ability to contribute and help make the team better. It's just that it won't matter if the Magic does not have a point guard who can distribute the ball. Bane is a shooting guard.
Edit: A point guard can't help the team if they can't or don't see the floor and cannot stay upright. Former Magic player Michael Carter Williams is a good example. He and Suggs have a similar style of play.
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9 minutes ago, JJZFL said:
If he doesn’t get many touches it won’t matter. Who is going to distribute?
That's my sentiment also.
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12 minutes ago, Shine88 said:
You think Suggs is a star? I think he can be an elite 3-D role player if he can shake the injuries, but I don't see star, though.
Thank you! I agree.
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33 minutes ago, orlandoholic said:
I think we need to scrap these traditional positions out of our heads. Just like we set the 4 out era, we are looking to create something unique again. Basically positionless basketball.
The playmaking will be done by our forwards for the most part. We are playing through them. It’s hell for opposing teams!
I don’t think we will see a PG who will take the ball out of Franz and Paolos hands.And here is the Magic's problem. Having Tyrese Haliburton, a point guard, who is playing a traditional position, is working just fine for the Pacers.
By the way, I wouldn't mind having their backup, T.J. McConnell, in a starting pg position for the Magic. That guy is 'fire' and can do it all!
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I don't understand all this campaigning to bring in NAW. I watched the Timberwolves in the playoffs, but I don't remember seeing him play. I know he had to have played. I'm only familiar with players on their team like Gobert, Edwards, Randle, Conley, Ingles, etc. So, I'm not familiar with Nickeil Alexander-Walker (NAW).
Point is, I read reviews on him that he is a good, quality player. . . but he is a shooting guard. If he is brought to the Magic, we will have a logjam of shooting guards (Banes, NAW, and yes, Suggs). And as someone has already mentioned, we don't know how long Suggs will be in rehab.
Remember how long it took JI to rehab and return to play in game-shape? And then he had a couple more re-injuries after returning to the court.
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56 minutes ago, jmmagicfan said:
Where did you see this? I’m looking and haven’t found anything?
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In my opinion, if the Magic are going to use Suggs as a point guard, I honestly feel he should not be the starting point guard. He should come off the bench with the second unit. I'm definitely not saying AB should be the starter.
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56 minutes ago, All Eyes On Me said:
Ok, so the real conundrum I need help with is I got a Paolo jersey for Father’s Day, finally! The black one of the previous generation. I’ve got old school blue pinstripe jerseys of Shaq and Penny. I need a white of the new style pinstripe and the new black/blue jersey. And I’m thinking I need 2 of the 3 of Franz/Suggs/Bane. I’m leaning Franz white and then I can’t decide if I want the other one to be Suggs or Bane.. help!
There you go!
Edit: ooh... Bane's got muscles. No one can push him around. He's got LeBron James thickness. Bane can definitely hold his ground and not turn the ball over while making a move. :)
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On 6/15/2025 at 4:05 PM, Soul Bro said:
I actually believe Bane now may be the 2nd best player on the Magic.
We need a legitimate PG for that to happen. We haven't had a good floor general who can create for himself and get other teammates involved for a while. Suggs is too reckless, plays out of control and is prone to injury because of his recklessness.
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On 6/15/2025 at 12:38 PM, matthi32 said:
Do we know trade Suggs for Garland or can Suggs and Bane play together in our starting backcourt?
I'm concerned about that too. I would rather keep Banes--I like him a lot! Give up Suggs and bring in Garland. I would love to have Garland on our team!
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On 6/15/2025 at 4:23 PM, Soul Bro said:
Best interviewer in Orlando Magic history. Grateful we are moving on from Cole the player. TMF is gonna be sad :)
". . .TMF is gonna be sad :)"
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If the New York Knicks will be having a fire sale, I would like the Magic to grab Mitchell Robinson to play center for the Magic. I didn't follow the Knicks during the regular season, but I was impressed and liked how he played during the playoffs.
Mitchell Robinson - Center
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Brunson was exposed in the series against the Pacers. He was real bad defending. Like Cole, he struggled to keep up with the player he was defending, and he fouled a lot.
Brunson played well in the 2 games the Knicks won, other than that the Pacers defended him well and it was difficult for him to make his defender "break an ankle" with his crafty dribbling and shooting. The Pacers snuffed him out with 2 and 3-men defending him when he tried to cut to the basket.
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On 5/31/2025 at 10:58 AM, All Eyes On Me said:
I’d be shocked if we traded Suggs, he’s the heart and soul of this team… that said, it might be the smart basketball move to package him for a proven 3rd star that can stay on the court. We have more than enough evidence at this point showing that Jalen Suggs is an extremely reckless and injury prone player.
I agree.
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