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quote: Originally posted by richnba:Carlos played good as he has this year when he looks for his teammates first and when he doesnt dribble himself into traps. Thank you Rich, you are a true Magic fan

quote: *Sighs* I can understand your intentions man but by making this post you are only going to start it up again. No one said anything even remotely negative about Carlos in this thread. I agree with everything you've said but someone will probably respond to your post with something outlandish. Then someone from the other side will lash out and then we have another Arroyo/Jameer thread. Its sometimes best to just let it go. I am using my fredom of speech rights to bait you into a tirade on Arroyo which you all like to do, as Marc has defended the right of members. I think a positive objectively generated post was warranted for Carlos after all his bashing. You have the choice to participate or not.

quote: Originally posted by Osprey23: quote: Originally posted by ibonedteribell:These were their comments after the game.

Here are Jameers comments on Arroyos contribution to the game,

Dont you think he could contribute more if he had more minutes and the right offensive tactic by the coach.

Silence sometimes can be quite meaningful.

These were their comments after the game.

quote: Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16: quote: Originally posted by ibonedteribell:Marc,we should add that any critcism of player or coach should be phrased without having to utilize irrespectful, derogative, demeaning, etc terms that can offend fans, players or coaches. All persons including board members are human beings and in someway or other never would like to have family, friends or ourselves, be ridiculed,or offended in any manner. We can criticize and justify this opinions without resorting to personal diatribes that only bring an endless cycle of similar responses. Please, also lets stay away from controversial comments on religion, race and politics, which have been the mayor cause of most wars. I agree that we should stay away from religion, race, and politics especially if you feel that you cannot discuss them in a respectful manner. We cannot tell people how they should phrase their criticism of a player, coach, etc. If someone wants to post, "I think Jameer sucks, he can't shoot" they are able to do so because that is their opinion. It's the same if someone wants to say that Carlos is a terrible PG. I realize that people have attachments to these players but (and I cannot stress this enough) no one here is either of these 2 guys. If someone says Diener is a joke, no matter how much that may bother you, you DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to tell that person that they are a moron, or that they are a racist or whatever. In a perfect world any criticism would be made with good facts and would be well thought out, this board is far from a perfect world. Marc, Freedom of speech when improperly used can lead to uncomfortable risky responses from the other side. Then, since this is only for fun, let the games begin.

Marc,we should add that any critcism of player or coach should be phrased without having to utilize irrespectful, derogative, demeaning, etc terms that can offend fans, players or coaches. All persons including board members are human beings and in someway or other never would like to have family, friends or ourselves, be ridiculed,or offended in any manner. We can criticize and justify this opinions without resorting to personal diatribes that only bring an endless cycle of similar responses. Please, also lets stay away from controversial comments on religion, race and politics, which have been the mayor cause of most wars.

quote: Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16:If you want to talk about how you will no longer talk about Carlos (not sure how you do that by starting a new thread) then you are free to say that you feel that "He's on the bench, where in my opinion, he belongs" but you also have to expect that after doing that, people are going to debate your opinion. If this one spirals downward into another name calling thread I'm closing this one too. Sorry. Marc, if we dont stop this pro and against new post enticements this board will look worse than the OK corral. I have seem too much baiting in bonafide posts that could have been well shared if the discussion was limited to the initial subject.

I am no Jameer fan but this personal bashing I didn't feel was fair for Carlos and I dont tink its fair for Jameer. Jameer has been pushed into a bigger role than he can handle and he is overdoing his act. He could become the best PG backup in the league with his firepower abilities and his penetration of th zone defense.

quote: Yep travis should get a shot at it. I'd be all for that. The problem is that this is not in Otis plans for the future. Remember he recruiteD Jameer against all experts predictions.

quote: Give me one good reason why I should. Nothing I'm going to say would convince you that your beloved Carlos hasn't played well this season. I couldn't care less about your stats. I watch the games and don't base all of my opinions on a boxscore Emory, this post reflects the problem all year long. There seems to be some special quality from some of you that can evaluate performance by seeing in a magical way. No pun intended. You are acussing Carlos followers to be blinded to his defects(which I agree at times), but fail to see your own bias against Carlos. I've accepted many time the fact that Carlos like Jameer has been too selfish at times and has a tendency to ovedribble but I also notice his excellent free throw %, his excellent APG/TO rate and his 4t/h best FG rate in the team. These thing are realities which you cant deny by sticking your head into the ground like an ostrich! There is a double standard! The commnents about diminished assistance after his benching reflect the importance of the hispanic community moneywise for the team.

quote: Originally posted by emory889:Carlos has had all season to improve his play and it hasn't happened. So don't tell me that their is some kind of double standard. If Carlos would have snapped out of it he would still be in the rotation. For obvious reasons the Magic can't bench half of their starting lineup like you would like them to do. Maybe Jameer can snap out of it next year so their is still a chance. Arroyo is gone after this season and it doesn't make sense to bench Jameer who will still be with the team next year for a guy who won't. Its funny that you didn't post this after the Miami win. I've answered this comments before with stats showing that all mayor starters have underperformed(except Howard), so your comments apply to all of these, specially Jameer. There is a double standard because the guidelines from Otis are clear. Please, answer me back with facts and without personal opinions about carlos. No matter who would be playing as back up PG this year or how good he was, or how bad jameer was playing, Jameer never would have been benched. For example I would open with Dooling at this point and see how the offense runs.

quote: Originally posted by Kberto:Jameer could score 30 points and have 15 assists and you would still say Carlos could of done better. It never ends with you blind fanatics. Please, quit proyecting your biases on others. You can look at my posts and observe I've never referred to any player in the Magic team in a demeanor manner(sucks, stinks etc) I usually use stats and performance to comment on them. You phobic fans are the ones that like to bash offensively some players.

quote: Originally posted by Kberto:Bringing up Carlos Arroyo up in a game HE DIDN'T PLAY IN and blame that on us losing is garbage. I'm so sick of you fools that come in here and act like Carlos is the greatest thing since sliced bread. IF HE WAS SO GOOD HE WOULDN"T GET BENCHED EVERY WHERE HE GOES. Kberto, the only people who brought his name up are you the frustrated bashers.

quote: ta i cant wait till carlos is shiped out too,and all his fans can go with him,there is a reason why that guy cant find a home.he sucks Friend, people who like to use the word sucks frequently are orally fixated in their mental development, be careful of your hidden repressed desires.

quote: Originally posted by DarkoHero:I am not an Arroyo fan nor am I Puarto Rican, but as bad as JN was playing, Arroyo had a right to play some minutes. He might have made the difference. I am a an Arroyo fan but I think it would have made no difference. Yet it should have been an option to play him whem Jameer had 4 fouls. This looks like an order from above not to play him.

quote: Originally posted by barnettej: quote: Originally posted by CG: quote: quote:Originally posted by CG: Pat + Jameer = Hill's two greatest loves! Carlos = Towel Boy Carlos "Hey Dwight, do you need a towel?" Dwight (THE FRANCHISE PLAYER) - 8 FGA in 43 minutes Jameer (the so-called PG) - 12 FGA in 31 minutes * I'd prefer to be a Towel Boy than being Nelson = MAGIC KILLER ** With all those "passes" from Jameer to Dwight, I really don't know how long that "friendship" is going to last! Carlos Fans = MAGIC KILLER'S Cant wait till he gets traded, because thats all you guys think about, the whole Carlos fan base doesnt give a dam about the team, only about Carlos. Magic killers each and every one of you. Barnette, definitely you are a sore looser and a allstar jerk. You are the worst example of a magic fan.

Outrebounded 55 to 38 by a smaller team with 3 starters out. Way to go magic. 28/75 (37%) outside shooting. Wow.

quote: Originally posted by WPMagic: quote: He sure did, every one else was missing like usual, he just took the team on his shoulders, review the game. He didnt have enough playing time to shoot 40! He would have had to play another 30 minutes to double his assist total to 4. Stellar. WP, you are a biased sore looser. What is the reason you are loosing today. Where is your usual brilliance? Cant you criticize objectively your team?

Oh, I forgot to mention they are missing two of their key players and we are complete. Shameful!

quote: Originally posted by WPMagic: quote: Great game guys, Jameer 2 points, Dooling 2 points, Howard 2 rebounds, JJ 4, Turk 3. The old man Hill is saving face for you loosers. Arroyo made 22 pts of these jerks. Arroyo is not in the court to help you decompress your inequities. I forgot , you have Brian Hill to blame still!!!!! When Carlos scored 22, we still lost... He sure did, every one else was missing like usual, he just took the team on his shoulders, review the game. He didnt have enough playing time to shoot 40!

quote: Originally posted by morlegend:score? LOOSING.

Great game guys, Jameer 2 points, Dooling 2 points, Howard 2 rebounds, JJ 4, Turk 3. The old man Hill is saving face for you loosers. Arroyo made 22 pts of these jerks. Arroyo is not in the court to help you decompress your inequities. I forgot , you have Brian Hill to blame still!!!!!