JSicamore

Now you see why I was baffled at the Magic's incompetence of not getting Rudy Rodriguez 2 years ago? Most of you had no idea who he was when I posted about this player a few months ago. Hopefully after watching the Olympics now you know who Rudy Rodriguez is. The incompetence of the Orlando Magic at drafting is appalling (Lee was an easy one, sorry boys but that doesn't count, my grandma could've made this pick). I'm happy we now have someone like Lee, hopefully in 2 or 3 years we could be comparing the two. Rudy could've been had for almost nothing (he was drafted by PHX 2 years ago and sold for pennies to Portland (who knew they were getting a steal). The guy reminds me somewhat of Penny Hardaway. So he was from Spain and the Magic might have gotten some fan backlash for picking another Euro after the Fran stupidity. Well, so what?? Otis didn't do shat that draft anyways! By the way that 17-year old Spanish PG is a stud. See how good a team plays when the offense is controlled by a PG who doesn't take all the shots and can defend?? At times I couldn't tell who was the 17 year old, him or Chris Paul. The kid plays like he's 27, not 17. Watch and learn! We're not going anywhere with Jameer Nelson, sorry boys PS: Feel free to hate on my comments all you want

quote: Originally posted by Tough Break There: I don't think that's been proven or disproven yet, Coach. Meer has proven to be very capable in streches. Plus he needs to stay healthy. And I don't think there are all that many great PG's in the league in the first place. and this guy has the nerve to tell people their posts are stupid? quote: Originally posted by TheRevTy:Fan favorites don't win championships. Role players do. It's no wonder we haven't even gotten close to winning anything after 1995 with role players like Cook, Battie, and Bogans. If I wanted to be picky I could say neither Jameer, Bogans, or even Lewis are "role players" Jameer is an undersized SG, Bogans is an undersized SF, and Lewis, in SVG's scheme is forced to play out of his natural position.

quote: Originally posted by KillingInTheNameOf: Here's an unsolicited opinion of Blarity. He still sux, he's still a chucker, & that was still a donkey trade. lol for some reason that post made me laugh. I guess it's better to laugh than to get frustrated right? And yes I agree 100% On a second thought, I haven't been able to watch much of the pre-season but if AJ can really play, is more of an assist guy and does NOT take shots away from other people who need to be shooting (Dwight, Lewis, JJ, LEE, etc) I'd rather see him split the minutes or start over Jameer.

quote: Originally posted by ball junkie: quote: Originally posted by bravlady:Is this why Bogans is riding the pine tonight? We gotta pump up J.J.'s value...Bogans doesn't need to play in the pre-season...he is a proven comodity... Bogans has proved he's probably the most inconsistent player in Van Gundy's rotation. Van GUndy is about the only person in the league who believes Bogans is a defender. He plays D, but Bogans is too slow to stop anyone. JJ is actually quicker, more active, and has better court awareness. The Magic will always be the Magic. Starting from the clueless ownership on down to this clueless coach who has zero eye for talent and an inept "businessman" who plays GM. In the end we'll probably keep nobodies like BOgans, Cook, and Battie, (who are all inconsistent, excite no one, and have little value) while they keep shipping out young guys that have talent and are fan favorites. It's what the Magic have always been about. It's a pity the DeVos family management will never hire the right coaches and Gms to get this team over the top.

Ball Junkie needs a psychiatric evaluation Now for a hypothetical scenario. Imagine when he walks in and JJ is the doctor

quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery: quote: Originally posted by truth393: quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery: quote: Originally posted by ManuGinobili: quote: Nelson is noticeably better than Blake or Rodriguez Noticeably for who??? There are a lot of potential answers to this. I'll give you two: 1. People who have actually watched Blake and Rodriguez play. Blake is an absolute pauper's Mark Price, and Rodriguez is a solid, if unremarkable, backup guard. Jameer might be bottom half of the league's starting point guards, but he's still a starting caliber point. 2. People who recognize that an inside-outside offense doesn't lend itself to high assist totals for point guards, thereby negating the basic assumption people make where "PGs must have high assist totals to be good." The same holds true for spread offenses and offenses that don't penetrate. Amazingly, we run an offense that oscillates between the 3, so it should shock no one that no player on the team averaged more than 5.5 assists last year. And before you tell me how pathetic that is for Jameer, look up the name "Walt Frazier'. Alright smart guy, give me three teams other then the Warriors and Blazers, that Nelson can start for. Jameer wouldn't even be the 6th man on most teams in the league. Definitely: Heat, Knicks, Nets, Oklahoma Bennetts, Sacramento Probably: Timberwolves, Celtics, Bucks Possibly: Bobcats(depending how much you think of Felton), Hawks, Lakers You excluded them for whatever reason, but GS and Portland would fall in definitely. Just the fact some of you are desperately trying to find a team where Jameer would start at PG says it all

quote: Originally posted by zerp:Orlando can't win a championship with Jameer at PG. Gortat is a solid back up for Dwight. lol Even a casual fan from Belgium is smarter than the typical Orlandomagic.com fan

quote: Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16: quote: Originally posted by JSicamore: quote: Originally posted by echo4papa: I really think his motive is just to motivate Jameer, and get him to play with the effort he showed during the playoffs. And you think this would really work? Jameer can only do so much, he's not a starting caliber PG in this league, he's a miniature SG at best and does what he can, which is shoot. Instead of yelling and annoying his players he should watch Jackson and Popovich coach. How come we don't see these respected coaches pointing fingers at individuals on the team? When you are good, players show you respect and play hard, you don't need to tell your players "you need to play hard" or need to go to the media with unnecessary drama. You get funnier everytime I read one of your posts. Pop doesn't yell at his players?? Really, is that why we've seen a number of players get rubbed the wrong way by him. You don't think the guy is hard on his players? Do you even know who the man learned under? I nearly cracked a rib laughing at this one- You mention Phil Jackson then say this in the same post-"How come we don't see these respected coaches pointing fingers at individuals on the team?" LMAO! Do you own a TV? Read a newspaper? Watch basketball? You want so badly to say something negative about Stan that you constantly make yourself look foolish. You are a joke. Coaches yell at the players of course, but because of mistakes, not because of "lack of performance" or "motivation". That usually stays on the court or the locker room. Stan, to compensate for his lack of coaching skills and player respect for him, takes it to the media in a desperate, immature fashion. It's the preseason stupid! It's funny to watch Acres result to personal insults everytime he replies to a post I make haha, and this guy is a mod? Don't let my oppinion rattle you so easily. Put your panties back on. PS: bhnole that's BS, Grant left Orlando for more than one reason, mostly because he was tired of Jordan who was arrogant. Grant is a genuinely nice guy. Sorry but what a desperate excuse that is. We all know every player in the league would love the chance to be coached by Phil. Ask the same about Van Gundy, haha! listen to Zo's and Shaq's own comments. Phil is mostly why Kobe is still in LA, and not somewhere else, and why that team has overachieved the last few seasons.

quote: Originally posted by echo4papa: I really think his motive is just to motivate Jameer, and get him to play with the effort he showed during the playoffs. And you think this would really work? Jameer can only do so much, he's not a starting caliber PG in this league, he's a miniature SG at best and does what he can, which is shoot. Instead of yelling and annoying his players he should watch Jackson and Popovich coach. How come we don't see these respected coaches pointing fingers at individuals on the team? When you are good, players show you respect and play hard, you don't need to tell your players "you need to play hard" or need to go to the media with unnecessary drama.

Ah that sucks no TV I'll miss the only chance to see SVG let Redick and Gortat play in the pre-season only, sadly

quote: Originally posted by WPMagic: are these pics supposed to be funny or? Haven't seen any Magic pre-season games, will this one be televised? PS: what a waste of 3 pages of game-thread so far. You guys are doing great

quote: Originally posted by TheRevTy: Because hating a coach is that much better. You bet ya. I hate Gundy for having Garrity and Bogans ahead of Ariza and Redick. For putting Foyle (and now probably Battie also) over Gortat. Hate him for failing to develop talent and reward hard work and snub players who played hard like Augustine. Most of all, can't stand him for having no strategy other than to yell and yell. When it's obvious Jameer canoot guard his own shadow and Rashard cannot guard big men and should be on the bench when his shot isn't falling. How in the world he got in the 20th anniversary cards I don't know. What a crock, but again they included "the hat lady"

quote: Originally posted by echo4papa:and I can't see him getting playing time if he doesn't deserve it, under SVG at any rate. that's a joke right If Redick get some consistent minutes, especially at the end of games the Magic are going to win a bunch of close games. With "Stan the Man" coaching I suspect the Magic will find themselves in a whole bunch of close games again. Maybe Stan learned how to use shooters from watching this year's playoffs, since he has no strategy whatsoever, might as well do the obvious and let Redick shoot it at the end of games regularly.

Only a real mediocre franchise would mention something like "the hat lady" on a 20 year anniversary face of the franchise event. I'm surprised Mickey Mouse wasn't honored

quote: originally posted by BallJunkie:See, it's comments like these that ruin this board. First I think it's the 5-year old immature rants like yours which make the forum seem like a joke. I thought his comment was hilarious and a rare witty moment for Osprey23, which in itself warranted it to be displayed for amusement. And thanks to your inmature crying it was deleted. It's time to grow up and maybe get a sense of humor. Never seen anyone hate a player who's part of the team like this, not even close. I've never heard anything more pathetic in my life. It's fairly obvious Redick has not only a lot more fans than Bogans and CLee, but he's a hard working player who can contribute and even excel under a coach who will give him a fair chance. Also fairly obvious "stan the man" probably learned a thing or two from how REAL coaches used their shooters in the playoffs. If Stan keeps this shockingly logical coaching into the regular season I might overlook his lack of intelligence and become a fan! Maybe I just like rooting for the underdog, but I enjoy seeing Redick play, he's fun to watch. Way to go JJ, it doesn't matter what he does, he'll still be hated by a small but vocal minority.

" Yes, it's obvious the Magic have some players they are not going to use in the regular season, but when you factor in injuries, and the pace at which the Magic play, giving away depth, and more importantly depth that knows and understands your system is bad basketball " Of course it's bad basketball. But that's not something Gundy has figured out yet. Bogans was his starter last year, for crying out loud. A guy that would be a third stringer in every other NBA team. He'll continue to sit Gortat and give his minutes to injury-prone dinosours like Battie and Foyle. Just because a person has been put in the position of running things doesn't mean his ideas make any sense. Van Dumby is as good at coaching as Hugo Chavez is at running his country down in Venezuela.

quote: Originally posted by ball junkie: Here are some quotes on Jammer and Turk from everyone's favorite coach, Stan Van Gundy Please don't lump me in the "stan is a favorite coach" bandwagon here in this forum. Outside the high school cheerleader mentality of OrlandoMagic.com, Van Grumpy is not considered by many to be too intelligent. Just check out Mourning's assessment (which of course was dismissed here as Mourning being the bad guy) Outside this forum, a few people can see it's not that JJ sucks and Stan Van is great, but more of the other way around. Gundy is a hardheaded, brainless coach, hired by a mediocre management, who also employs a mediocre GM That's why JJ's talent has been wasted, Garrity was with us 8 years, Foyle is brought back as the "main backup", the team keeps holding on to Bogans, and why Battie and Cook haven't been traded to another galaxy yet. And second, it's Jameer not Jammer LOL... And third, about Redick, give it up. The boy has more talent than a whole bunch of useless players the Magic have kept over the years, including some Otis "can't seem to be able trade"

quote: Originally posted by jmmagicfan:Hmm-m-m-m. Maybe because both Zo and Shaq have to play back to the basket and one foot in the paint to be effective, since neither has a consistent 10-12 foot jump shot. Also, neither could guard Rasheed Wallace outside, who would have rained down threes on them all day long, or gone by them if they did step out. Larry Brown may like some "trick" line-ups, but as he showed coaching the Knicks; he doesn't always know what's best. Or could it be Stan is really a mediocre coach? The Magic, just like the Heat when he coached them, got good records because he pushed his players hard, but if one looks at the scores very few games were blow outs, indicating lack of tactic. Trust me, living in PB I watched plenty of Heat games and know what I'm talking about. Stan's lineup logic is oftentimes awful. Can't wait to see the Stan apologists try to slam me now because they can't take the truth

Cool jersey man. If they make a black one I'm definitely getting one.

" But what if the Magic decide that with Rashard Lewis

quote: He's too weak physically. It could turn into Grant Hill, Version 2.0. That's a worst-case scenario He could also be the PG the Magic need in dumby's size-challenged lineup of Lewis at the 4.

Great. So SVG made Otis trade Ariza for a guy who's no longer here and another one who can't even get minutes.

Just like Brian Hill's club that went to the playoffs with a losing record was better than that, the Magic could've won even more games last season. Van Gundy was notoriously inflexible and didn't show signs of a good strategist. I give Gundy a C+ (and I'm being generous) so far after a slightly better job coaching in Miami. Hopefully Lee will get a chance to develop under coach SVG, unlike Redick.

quote: Originally posted by fan for too long:So you think its all about the benjamins huh? Well Mr. Devos is a multi-billionaire. He has plenty. He just chooses to be cheap and fill seats, not win championships. He could go over the salary cap and not even be affected. the sheer ineptitude of Otis (and the subpar owners of this team who put him there) shall always shine They couldn't even make a deal for a halfway decent PG who could pass? Our best passers right now are not even Point Guards. JJ & Turkoglu

geez.. you guys are all dumber than Otis sincerely, JS.