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2 minutes ago, Jay Magic said:Interesting, though I'm not convinced the Grizzlies would go for it. Surely they want Morant to be their PG of the future?
I think a deal with the Knicks could be a possibility. Not sure what the moving parts would be, but I think they are more likely to move back one spot than the Grizzlies would be to move back two. Unless of course the Grizzlies are getting Lonzo, then perhaps that would solve their PG of the future need.
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7 hours ago, Jay Magic said:Shams said on NBA Sirius FM that the Celtics are very interested in Vooch bigtime
Makes sense if Horford is leaving. With Vooch adding three point shooting to his game he could slot in nicely for them. Though I do hope he stays here.
1 minute ago, Jay Magic said:So the Bucks are sending Snell and the 30th pick for Leuer?
I don't see how that deal balances out. Snell is the better player, a useful 3-and-D player, whereas Leuer is a mediocre player and he failed to be the stretch player SVG brought him to Detroit to be. And to top it off, sending the last first round pick weights this deal in Detroit's favour.
Odd.
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On 5/6/2019 at 5:44 AM, Bebop Meat Mop said:Maybe a better way to phrase the question would be, should they draft someone with a high floor or a high ceiling? At 16 there should be a number of players with about the same overall value.
In our current position we realistically need to add contributors. I don't think a project would be an ideal fit for us. In all likelihood we will want to bring back our veterans and make another play off run. So while a raw high upside pick might have appeal, it is quite likely they wouldn't get sufficient court time to make the desired impact, whereas a more pro ready player with less upside could potentially get more court time because they can make more of an impact. That's not to say we should ignore a high upside pick over a 3 and D guy if someone falls that is too good to pass on, but I suspect we'll want to add a player that can make a more immediate impact to our roster and help us improve the win count and play off seeding next season.
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4 minutes ago, Jay Magic said:Hopefully the trend continues..
That's a nice trend to have, not as good as the Miami Marlins winning the World Series in their two play off appearances to date, but it's still a good trend to have in that when we win the division we win a play off series. Let's hope that continues!
6 minutes ago, Jay Magic said:AG is gonna raise his game. I think we all will but AG has another gear we ain't seen I believe.
I'd love to see AG breakout in the play offs. It would be nice to see Ross and Vucevic do the same. Ok that would potentially increase their market value come free agency, but having watched this team grow over the past number of seasons, it would be nice to see the guys we have invested time and money in breakout in the play offs and get it done for our Magic.
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8 hours ago, MagicOne said:Do you think the Magic have the best chance to pull off a first round upset ?
I'd say we have a chance of pulling off a first round upset. We split the series with them in regular season. One of our wins they had Kawhi but no Lowry, and the other win Kawhi didn't play but Lowry did play. In the two defeats both all stars played for them, one game we played it close and lost 93-91, and the other we lost by a dozen points 121-109. So in a sense we don't have anything to fear. We are a young and improving team with no play off scars, whereas the Raptors do have some play off scars. They got swept by Washington; the year after they nearly lost to the Pacers in round one, and the Heat should have beat them; and three straight defeats to the Cavaliers, though it was always going to be tough to displace LeBron James. But they have their scars, whereas we come in young and fresh with a nothing to lose attitude. If we lose the series, fine, it's a learning curve. But if we win, well, that's great news!
So although I think we will probably lose the series something like 4-2, we could spring a surprise if our guys step up and take advantage of the Raptors mistakes. Obviously it is going to be a tough series, but the Raptors have never really dominated in the play offs to date, they have always left openings that their opponents have failed to take. If we can take them, we can win.
2 minutes ago, Jay Magic said:Game Day!! Let's go guys!!! The last time we was in the playoffs I had 1 son. Now I have 2 almost 7 years later. It's been a longtime coming for us to try to get back to the promised land in the NBA.
I've been waiting for this for ages!!
Let's all keep positive and give as much great energy we can possibly give. We've got this!!!
It's a great way to celebrate the 30th season of Orlando Magic basketball. Division champions and a play off appearance, which will hopefully be a play off run. As I'm the same age as the Magic, our last play off appearance came when I had finished my masters degree, so it's a long time and hopefully we aren't going to have to wait that long again!
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19 minutes ago, ?4thewin said:So here's something to watch the rest of the season and hopefully the playoffs when we're looking at roster construction moving forward.
The reason to be pessimistic about vucevic over the past few years is the assumption that playoff basketball is different than regular season basketball and teams tend to slow the game down to hunt mismatches. In our case, the mismatch teams hunt has been almost exclusively vucevic via the 1-5 pick and roll.
Either the guard kills vucevic by forcing him to move
Or by lobbing it to centers when Vuc steps up.
This year we're not seeing it nearly as much.
Teams aren't running at him over and over again but you do see it a couple times here
So are we seeing it less because Vuc is defending better? Maybe.
Regardless of what happened so far, the main thesis is "we can't resign vucevic because he hurts us on defense and will get played off the court in the playoffs. We'll get the chance to test that hypothesis this year.
If vucevic is a valuable contributor throughout the playoffs it really opens the door to resign him.
If the hypothesis proves to be correct, it doesn't make sense to resign him.
Not strictly true. Does defense win championships in today's NBA?
We currently concede an average of 106 per game. That's better than the Bucks 108, the Raptors 109, the Warriors 112 and the 76ers 112 per game.
But are we in the same tier as those teams? No. All four of them are better than us and more likely to lift the title at the end of the season.
The big difference with them is offense. We average 106 per game while they average 117 (Bucks and Warriors), 115 (76ers) and 114 (Raptors). That's not to say those teams can't play defense - they can - but their advantage comes in being able to offensively overpower their opposition.
Now think about how good we could be if we managed to up our scoring to say 108 per game. We would likely have a greater win count and be a top four seed contender like the Pacers. So while defense can be important, teams in today's NBA need to be able to score and shoot. If we can continue to improve on both counts we'll be fine even with Vuc in the line up.
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7 hours ago, Mauro Pedrosa said:I think Bamba’s main concern is motor but he has all the tools to be fantastic.
I want to let Vuc go and re-sign Birch to be our backup. Start Bamba to give him some important reps
The concern with letting Vuc go is that he finally made the all star game this year. Now perhaps that was only down to the stars that have gone west, but he's played well this season. Do we bring him back on the basis that this team will kick on with him on it? Does his signature with us make it more likely we could tempt someone else to come play here? Or do we accept that we need to move on from him and go with our young center and bet on him being better?
The issue I have with the latter is that if Bamba is another Isaac, that's not an all star player. They are good players to have starting, but we would clearly lack a go to player or more consistent offensive outlet. With all due respect to Gordon, Fournier (Ross) and Augustin (Fultz) - they aren't a top there on a good team. I guess adding Vuc doesn't make that significantly better but at least he's a proven near 20 a night guy with proven production. We can make up for any shortfalls elsewhere. Problem with Isaac and Bamba is if they aren't consistent offensive threats, even with good defense, it might be a step backwards. I know the Grizzlies managed to go against the grain for a while with their grinding and smothering approach, but the league has moved on.
For me I'd hold onto Vuc and retain Bamba as the center off the bench. But if we do let Vuc go, I suspect without any other significant moves or improvement, we'll take a step backwards next season. I'd be aiming to kick on with what we've got and add to it.
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39 minutes ago, Barnabas Smith said:Would you consider a center if Vooch left via free agency? What do you think of Mo Bamba now that we have seen him play a little bit? Do you think he will work out or should we give another guy a try?
I think there are times when you just need to draft the best player available and worry about the fit or what happens to your existing players at a later date. If there is a centre that we believe has significant upside and can become a special player, then we can't pass on that player because we already have Mo Bamba. Same goes if a can't miss forward falls on our lap, we can't pass on them because we have Aaron Gordon and Jonathan Isaac. We aren't in a position to be picky. We have to continue to add franchise changing talent and if that means sacrificing an existing piece to make way for the new talent, so be it.
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1 hour ago, magicdoc1 said:I love this guy here. This guy is better than DSJ. In my opinion.
The potential is there for him to be better, however he's yet to do much on the court. At least Smith has shown what he can do on the court and has shown flashes that he could be a good point guard at this level. With further development Smith could be really good. But I would agree that Fultz potentially can be a lot better, the issue is whether he can stay healthy and get his game together. If he can, he can be special. If he can't, he'll be a bench player heading towards spells in China.
With that said, I'm glad we took the risk on Fultz. Let's hope he can get on the court and realise his potential!
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11 minutes ago, Soul Bro said:One other thing to celebrate from the deadline: The Lakers being left at the altar and now having to sort out a fragmented locker room.
Or could that work out to be a good thing?
Their trade offer included Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, Ivica Zubac - this here is a new young starting five including two high draft picks and the others were late first round or second round players. Add in KCP and two first round picks, and that's a lot to give up for Anthony Davis.
On the one hand some might say adding AD to pair with LeBron is worth giving up all of that, but who would have been left? Rondo, Stephenson, Bullock, Beasley, McGee, Chandler. If I'm not mistaken all of those guys are out of contract in the summer. That would leave LeBron, AD, Wagner and Bonga under contract. I suppose that's cap space to pursue another big name to form a big three, but it's a fairly bare roster if they had given up all of those assets.
To be clear, AD is a top player and perhaps worth giving up the farm for. But the price was steep and I'm not entirely convinced LeBron and AD plus a bunch of so-so veterans would be enough to compete for a title. It should get them into the play offs, but not enough to win, and they'd need a lot of work come the summer to build a competitive supporting cast.
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7 hours ago, Mack1085 said:5 games out of the playoffs and 3 games out of the 5th worst record. Not hard to see which direction we should head.
How many seasons have we spent heading for the worst record post-Dwight Howard?
This could be our seventh season heading in that direction. Granted one of those seasons under Skiles was similar to this one in that we tried to win but wasn't very good at it, but point is we've spent a lot of time trying for top picks and they haven't worked out for us.
Do we keep doing it and hope we finally get that guy? Or do we try and win and hope that development curve is good for the team and we potentially hit on someone outside the top five to ten picks like other teams have?
It's a tough situation to be in. And it's annoying when you see teams like the Pacers go from the PG13 led era with guys like Hibbert, West and co to the Oladipo led unit. Or the Jazz going from the Hayward led team to the Mitchell led one. One of these days we will get it right...
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12 minutes ago, WarDamnMagic said:Knicks could offer unprotected 2019 first, Knox, frank and Tim hardaway jr. pelicans should jump all over that.
It has appeal since the Knicks pick could land them Zion. The Knicks would have a talented duo to build around in AD and KP, but a pretty injury prone duo at that. So I'm not entirely sure the Knicks give up their youth and potential top pick for AD, especially if there's no guarantee he'll extend with them, but it would be a typical Knicks move.
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3 hours ago, J-Mac said:Yeah that's weird we just started the season. I understand Hayward, but the other two really?
Toronto will be doing everything in their power to keep Kawhi happy in the hopes he'll extend with them.
As for Butler, he's probably still on the trade block and not entirely in favor. There are reasons to rest him from him having a niggle to a trade about to happen, but it's an odd decision for them to rest their best player.
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5 hours ago, ?4thewin said:The good news is there aren't a ton of big market teams that can offer a starting spot.
True but there are some that could require a starting PG...
- Knicks are a possibility unless Ntilikina breaks out as a passer.
- Bulls are another if Dunn doesn't improve, he's alright not great.
- Heat could be in the market for someone if Dragic leaves or they decide not to pay him.
We have a chance at attracting someone but we'd need to show significant progression this season. AG would need to have a borderline to all star caliber season, Isaac would need to stay healthy and prove he's a potential high end two way player, and Bamba would need to translate his game to the pros and prove he can be that dominant center and potential unicorn if his outside shot develops. If that young front court plays high level defense and shows a lot of promise, we'll have that to sell FAs on, but another so-so kinda season and they'll likely shun us.
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On 02/07/2018 at 1:47 AM, TrueBlueDrew said:How in the world will the NBA ever get even again? We'll need a crop of young players who steer away from this leave wherever they want and start staying loyal. We might need some young talent to be willing to go away from the Major Markets and be willing to say, I'm going to build something on my own (example: Antetokounmpo in MIL).
It's just depressing how different the talent gap is.
1990s was dominated by the east: 7-3
1980s was a tie: 5-5
1970s was a tie: 5-5
Now granted since 2000 the west have won 13 to the east's 6 titles, but prior to then the east had 17 titles to the west' s 13. So swings happen in the NBA much like they do in the NHL, NFL (etc) when one conference dominates then things change. All it takes is for Boston and Philly to become legitimate title contenders for the next decade, or the Knicks prying away a max level free agent to put alongside KP, Knox, Ntilikina (etc), or ourselves attracting a max level player to put alongside our young front court trio. There's no reason why a few eastern teams can't develop into title contenders and win titles in the near future if the ascending young teams put it all together.
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59 minutes ago, jjgator said:I don't think we're even close to be able to think we'll be anything like Boston in a few years. They are sitting pretty.
It's possible we could be in a similar position if things go our way.
Jonathan Isaac is a high upside player. He is already a very good defense player, if his offense ever improves to the same level he can be an all star.
Aaron Gordon had his best year so far in his career last season. If he continues to work hard and get better he has all star potential.
Mo Bamba is another high upside player. Defensively he could be a stud. If he develops offensively and adds that beyond the arc shot he's a potential unicorn and all star talent.
So that's potentially a trio to build around. If we land another top pick this year that could see us add Barrett or Reddish to slot in at SG. If we don't struggle we'll eventually free up cap space when Vuc and co' s contracts come off the books, and if our young front court become show signs of potential dominance guards might consider coming here via free agency. Alternatively trade players for picks and young talent, hope to get lucky and those picks turn out to be very valuable or some team trades away the next Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert (Denver drafted and traded them to Utah!).
Granted all of this comes down to whether our front young court puts it all together and become borderline all star to all star talent, and then us either hitting on future draft picks or moves made in free agents or through trades. But it possible if all goes well for us to be a play off team ascending towards contender status within the next five years if things go our way. Conversely if things don't go our way we'll be drafting top five pretty much every year between now and then, but let's think positive and believe in our talent, our coaching staff and front office. Maybe our time is coming...
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8 minutes ago, ?4thewin said:Lol
Another PF/C. Decent stats in a limited role so might be a useful addition.
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15 minutes ago, All Eyes On Me said:More importantly, we can now run an all Center lineup!! At point guard, Nikola Voooooocccchhheeevvvviiiccchhh
Well Vuc did average 4 assists per game on his per36. So maybe the answer to our point guard problems was already on our roster and we've been looking in the wrong place!
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So our roster consists of...
PG: Augustin, Grant
SG/SF: Fournier, Ross, Simmons
SF: Isaac, Iwundu, Frazier
PF: Gordon, Jackson?
C: Vucevic, Bamba, Mozgov, Birch, Johnson
A third of our team are centers!
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1 hour ago, TreyMachine said:ATL is going hard for that 2019 #1 pick.
I wouldn't want to be tanking for top odds next year. There's a 48% chance that the teams with 1st-4th worst records can end up picking outside the top four. So teams trying to do their version of the 76ers' process could end up risking it all and ending up with a pick in the 5-8th range, that might still be a franchise changing talent, but looking at next year's class I wouldn't be tanking hard and risking the coin toss going against us.
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8 hours ago, ?4thewin said:Yeah but you get Butler for possibly 1 year.
You get lonzo for at least 4 years, probably 7
True there's a risk Butler leaves, but there are risks that come with acquiring Lonzo Ball (How much of a negative factor will his dad be? Will his shooting improve? Can he boost his scoring? How good will his defense be? Is he a star?).
Both paths come with the risks but I'd rather take a gamble on Butler since he's a proven all star. We'd also own his bird rights so we could go over the cap to extend him if I'm not mistaken? So that could help us when going for another max level talent next year if we've already got an agreement on board with Butler.
With that said if we did acquire Lonzo I wouldn't complain about it. It would be another young piece to add to our front court trio.
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1 hour ago, Nyce_1 said:if you had to give up your 2019 pick in a package for Ball or Butler, who you going after?
Butler is a proven all star and high level defensive player. Add him via trade then try to persuade one of the free agent point guards to come here. Ideally it would be Kyrie or Kemba, but Teague or Dragic would be decent additions on short term deals to help us move up the eastern conference. Add in development from our front court trio and we'd have upside as well. I'd love Butler to come here but I suspect he'll end up in New York with Kyrie as his running mate.
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23 minutes ago, magicdoc1 said:what is the Hawks doing?? Can someone make some sense out of this Lin deal? They Drafted for the future PG and now traded for Lin while still keeping Schroder as their starter PG. Thats like 30millions on the PG position. Granted Lin is an expiring contract but why??
Love the Denver and IT deal. I just don't know why we or even the knicks couldnt offer a similar deal to IT. He is now a very valuable trade piece if he return to half of what he was 2 years ago coming playoff time.
Faried, 2019 first round and a second round pick to the NETS for peanuts.. wow.
Are we getting any picks for VUC??? LOL.
Perhaps they have a deal in place for Schroder?
Not sure the Knicks would be interested. They've got Ntilikina, Burke and Mudiay at the PG spots. Hardaway Jr, Dotson and Baker at the SG spot. So guard wise they seem to be fine and without Porzingis they might be looking to tank for a top pick in next year's draft.
It would be great if we could get something in return for Vucevic or Fournier, but knowing us we'll not get much in return for them...
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9 minutes ago, Mauro Pedrosa said:The IT situation is one of the most bizarre things I've witnessed. I get the injury concerns, but his upside is still there and I thought that SOME team would throw around 8 million at him.
I think Denver is a great basketball fit for him, though
It's a case of who needs a starting point guard and are willing to throw the dice on him. I honestly don't see a team in either conference with an open spot, so it was likely to be a backup role for IT. I am surprised he's signed for the deal he has, but at the same time it's a prove it deal and that might make him more appealing this time next year if he's stayed healthy and returned to form. However I suspect a sixth man like role is probably going to be his thing going forwards.
Denver is ideal for him and adds a scoring punch to their bench unit. When you can take Jamal Murray off and put on IT that's a good rotation to have.
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Durant and Kyrie going to the Nets must sting for Knicks fans; however, it is quite amusing that the Knicks have missed out again because James Dolan is a right you know what.
So where is Kawhi going? That’s the next big domino to fall.