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I can see them doing this maybe with a pic swap. It's exactly what we need and almost exactly what they need. No way we get to keep our pick and the Net's pick. However it's a major upgrade for them and they just give up potential in Jaylen, he hasn't shown anything yet. Again i see this is as a legit trade because nobody has even been rumored to be giving up a legit star to the Celtics. With a swap, they still get top pick in a loaded draft and really don't need a PG so it's a fair swap.

This right here. Lets say we haven't looked like a total **** show all year and were much better on defense like we thought we might be. If we were the 7th or 8th seed right now we would have to try anything to keep him. There is no doubt that we are one of the 5 worst teams in the league so we can't build around Ibaka. I'm not trying to be negative, it is what it is.

Yeah it's a tough situation. Last year was a disaster and in hindsight we should have known Skiles was bad with young players. We all agree the Tobias trade was probably forced, but we did need a point guard and shooter. The choice of players and the timing is what was bad, none of us really miss Tobias it's what we got back. This offseason destroyed our franchise for years. The trade was bad, the money we spent was bad and we all knew it! The press knew it and the people on this board knew it, we just talked ourselves into believing something that wasn't going to happen. I was so happy when they Drafted Sabonis and then i heard about the trade. Combined with the Biyombo signing and the money we spent on Fournier the press already knew it was a disaster. Quite frankly we spent all that time acquiring assets only to use each and every one the wrong way. Now it's fun to talk about who was at fault but i'll save that for after they get fired. Right now is the time to start fixing things. We need to trade Ibaka and maybe some other players. Bad trades got us in this mess but now we have no choice. I think the chance Ibaka stays is almost zero and the draft this year is the deepest in years. I don't think the team has the balls for it, i sense they will try anything to make trades for veterans and keep Ibaka. Everything would be different if we had gotten a good free agent or sleeper the last few drafts(like Booker). We missed on Millsap and Harrison Barnes. Our lesser trades with Frye and Tobias brought us nothing. We gave away Dipo and a draft pick so we could keep Vucevic!!!! Lets face it, thats the main reason for needing a player like Ibaka!!!! None of it worked so it's time to start again, but do we have the stomach for it?

Over on Pinstriped posts on Sbnation someone who works at RDV says they are gearing up for some announcement. I think this could be the weekend something happens.

I wonder what the team would be like if we kept Dipo and Dedmon and offered Harrison Barnes the max?

How about this? http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j36fwxc Edited didn't think this would work!!!!! This trade: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hx8t6sv Another crazy trade but hear me out. Raptors is obvious, they need Ibaka and have to take Green to make the trade work. I would rather have Ross but i'm just assuming we can't get him. Philly assumes they are gonna lose Noel and adds a decent PF they can resign and Mario hoping he becomes the SG of the future. I am betting they would want Payton but they also know this draft is loaded with PG's. The Magic just get a reset. I'm hoping it's easier resigning Noel. Then with Carroll playing more like he did 2 years ago and removing some chemistry problems, we actually play defense. We still have scoring problems but think we have more flexibility going into the draft this year. Again, i would rather have Ross and trade Biyombo. Not sure if Toronto would do that but he was really good for them.

If we had gotten Milsap a few years ago in free agency yeah things would be alot different. Right now, not so much.

If Orlando did this as our panic trade i wouldn't be opposed to it. It would take an unprotected pic probably this years pick. Remember in today's NBA cap space is important in rebuilding, but not everything. I would imagine Riley would want this years pick, or next years plus Mario.

When nobody is missing shots its easy to rack up assists. Great win though.

We are not going to make the playoffs, we are not better then all those teams. They are flawed but it looks like a few are turning the corner. We really have to play this season out, but we can't since we made a significant investment in Ibaka. In order for Rob to save his job he will have to bring in veterans to make a playoff push. Ibaka is gone if we don't make the playoffs and Rob will lose his job. The funny thing is with Ibaka's and Green's cap space we will probably sign Milsap. I am pretty sure Rob is counting on this as a back-up plan in case Serge doesn't come back.

Teams like Portland will try to do Band-aid trades mid season before they give up on a star player. Its possible they give up Mccollum in the future but much more likely to be an offseason trade. As far as getting a scorer i would be on board.

I think we were fun to watch the last three years while being excited about the process. Now not only is it obvious we are bad but the magic are no fun to watch. Blow it up.

If rob makes a desperate trade that makes no sense we will know it was him last year and not Skiles.

Yes, the Blazers getting rid of Evans contract would be the big selling point, plus they NEED Biyombo.

This is my favorite move. The only untouchable player on this roster should be Gordon. Not saying he will turn out to be a star, but he looks like the only homegrown player that could be a star someday. Everyone else is expendable, but no more kneejerk reactions to save the season. The Tobias trade was made to save the season and that is why it was a disaster. Sadly i think we will make a trade similar to last year, only this year it will be made to salvage the season and give Ibaka a reason to stay.

I am amazed. Who are these magic?

Yes it was obvious, we traded away two of our top three scorers in less then a year.

Seriously, just using the eyeball test we are bottom five again. Lotto pick here we come!

So do we make more panic trades which is what got us here in the first place?

He is the main reason why this happened. He should have been traded the offseason before 2015, while his value had peaked. I feel like Tobias was traded in large part because he wasn't a good fit with Vuc. That and Skiles needed to win last year and was hellbent on getting veterans.

Exactly. Even as the Magic lost the last two years, i still enjoyed watching them play. This teams still has the same bad chemistry with pieces that don't fit and they are also terrible to watch. Complete step backwards.

Looking at that trade i can see that Paul George has 2 more contract years after this one. I wonder why so many people on this board thought or think he is up for grabs?

And this is the problem that was created when we traded Tobias. I still think we traded Tobias because we knew Gordon, Tobias and Vucevic could never be our frontcourt of the future. This is not hindsight but i knew at the time we really needed to trade Vucevic, it would have been hard to sell, but we needed to do it. With Skiles as coach and management wanting wins there was no way we could trade our leading scorer. I think we all know now that it was a mistake, not because Tobias is such a good player(he is pretty good) but because we need pieces that fit together and management keeps making the wrong choices. I prefer our team with a defensive minded center, everybody seems to like Biyombo. I had hopes we could get a free agent SF but after this summer i realize we struck out and should have kept the cheaper alternative.