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    3 hours ago, Fultz4thewin said:

    Also our 4th quarter defensive rating is 88.8. obviously it's early and almost assuredly going to jump up significantly but just for the sake of comparisons, the lowest fourth quarter defensive rating I can find with the data available since the 96-97 season is the 00-01 Knicks. They were at 91.1. most years no team has a fourth quarter defensive rating below 100. The best recent number I can find is the 10-11 bulls. They were at 96.2. 

    Our 08-09 team was at 103.8

    Last year's team post all star was 104.6

    There best number over the past 3 seasons was the 17-18 raptors at 101.7

     

    Crazy.

    The Memphis game has some impact on that but even if I sort it just vs Eastern conference teams we're still at 96. And that number is heavily impacted by the Milwaukee game and doesn't include great defensive games against Dallas or OKC where we had sub 90 defensive ratings. 

    Yeah, pretty crazy. I don't even think we are playing as good as we could defensively. Isaac has been balling out, but I feel like most of the other guys have more to give on that end and even Isaac could get better on some things. At the same time, a lot of this is likely statistical noise- there is always the chance that the numbers look good partially because teams are just not hitting shots rather than something we are doing.

     

    3 hours ago, jmmagicfan said:

    1. I think that is by design - mid range and long 2's are the least efficient shots on average, so if you are going to give up/force a shot, that is the preferred shot to give up.

    2. Again, I think this is also by design - Clifford is much more focused on getting back/defense; and not really big on offensive rebounding.

    3. Hope this continues - not sure why, but wonder if it is partly due to guys who aren't shooting well from outside attacking the paint more?

    4. Isaac having a block party and defensive team focus? Hard to block because of our length? Taking care of the ball is another Clifford focus item.

    5. Encouraging, let's hope it continues improving. I really think TRoss was having more of an issue with health than any of us realized.

    Yes, by design, but it looks like the design is working. (at least so far). 

     

    All of this is more to show trends, more than anything else. I don't think you can really seriously look at the numbers until about 20 games have been played- giving a good sample size.

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    So some interesting take aways from our team numbers:

    1: We have done a good job of keeping teams from taking shots around the rim. Currently we allow the 3rd lowest percentage of opponent's shots around the rim of all teams. On the other hand, from 10 feet to the three point we allow the second most.

    2: We are again towards the top of defensive rebounding rate and average offensive rebounding rate.

    3: We are getting to the line at a better rate than last year (but could still get to the line more).

    4: We have the second highest blocks per 100 and 6th highest steals per 100. On the other hand, as bad as we have been shooting, other teams haven't really been blocking our shots or getting a lot of steals off of us. (4th lowest steals and 11th lowest opponent blocks).

    5: Almost everything seems to point to our team being better than our record suggests. We have a positive net rating, have actually scored more points throughout the year than we have given up, and sites hike fivethirtyeight still believe in our long term chances. Our offense has also been improving back to (relatively) reasonable levels. We no longer even have the worst EFG% in the league.

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    9 minutes ago, JayMac said:

    Here we go: I would envisage 2 separate trades, to be done in mid-December when all constraints are cleared.

    First one would go down like this:

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    I would do this trade without hesitation!

    After that, I would look at moving Vucevic, to the Celtics preferably, and try to get Jaylen Brown in return. His recent extension would be tough to work with next season and may "force" us to get Hayward's contract, but I would be ok on having that headache...

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    I just feel the Celtics would probably be a bit reluctant to to do this... maybe adding a 3rd team (Sacramento?) would make it more tempting for them... but not so straight forward...

    What you guys think?

    First part is a bad trade. Gordon for a bunch of role players doesn’t make any sense.

    The second trade, I think there would be issues with Jaylen’s contract.

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    2 hours ago, Mauro Pedrosa said:

    Defense-first players are always a little harder to trust. Sometimes they can explode and become Kawhi for a few games while spending the other 74 as Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.

    Sometimes I dream about a Fultz-Ntilikina-Isaac-Gordon-Bamba lineup, but other times I think it would be terrible.

    It all depends on how they improve

    No one would score on us though.

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    We have played 6 games.

    We have only lost one game that we really shouldn't have, against Atlanta. Toronto is likely in a similar range as us, and Denver and Milwaukee will likely be two of the best teams at the end of the year.

    We really should win at least 3 of the next 4 games. We need to start scoring better. But the season is still early, and stuff can look weird.

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    2 hours ago, JJZFL said:

    Let’s hope it carries over to this year.  Our offense has been much worse than that so far, but it’s still extremely early.  
     

    Anyway, on to the next game thread!

    Our offense, shooting wise, has been unsustainably bad. There is almost no way the team as a whole continues to be so inefficient.

    For context, the worst team EFG% wise in the last 10 years was the Charlotte Bobcats in the 2011-2012 season (AKA the season where they went 7 and 59 and were one of the worst teams in history). Their average was 43.9% EFG. Currently, ours is 44.8%. The next few closest are around 46% EFG. (3 more charlotte teams, 1 lakers team, and one Nets team). The average EFG% of teams has pretty much only been going up in recent years. Somehow we have 5 major players who are at least average offensively performing way below their standards (Ross, Vuch, Gordon, Aminu, and Augustin).

    And I think in the NBA offense is a little contextual. Are we really playing bad on offense, or are shots just not going in?

     

    Of course, our defense is also not going to remain where it is, so our offense will need to improve. (I am not saying we will not remain one of the best defenses in the league, just that we aren't going to be able to sustain opponents shooting 41% from the field and 26% from three).

     

    Final weird point that I didn't realize until doing research. Fultz is currently 4th on the team in total shots and 3rd in efficiency.

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    35 minutes ago, Just a regular Magic fan said:

    Mostly 3's and a putback. I know some disagree with me, but I have been saying that I think AG is best as a three and D player. To me, there is no shame in that, and he showed last night that he can still have an impact on the game if he plays that way. I have been hard on him this season, but I have to give him props. We need some dogs out there, especially late in the game. Defensively we are pretty darn good, but we probably wouldn't have won if he didn't step up on offense in a major way in the 4th.

    I think he is more than a 3 and D player- good at bringing the ball up the court and doing secondary facilitating, but not a #1 option.

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    13 minutes ago, ?4thewin said:

    There's a big debate in the basketball world about that. 

    Probably something like Josh Howard. 

    I think his projections should be at least in the realm of LeVert. Younger, better shooter, worse passer.

    Also, didn’t realize he is 6’7”. Thought he was shorter than that for some reason.

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