Is America really that Stupid?

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And before anyone decides to rush in here with dumb Palin or Bush quotes, remember, my argument isn't that they didn't make stupid statements as well, but that the media never gives both sides equal airing of dumb quotes and therefore the idea of "dumb Palin" or "dumb Bush" is perpetuated.

I can't find a dumb Biden quote as much as the things that have came out of Palin's mouth.

 

I am aware every politician says dumb things, but Palin was an exception and it was hardly a media creation. I watched cnn throughout the entire election and very few analysts would criticize her publicly.

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You do realize that there are different types of racism, right? It doesn't all have to be wearing white hoods and burning crosses. That statement was about as racist as it gets, as was the indian one, and if a Republican said it they'd have been tarred and feathered.

 

That still doesn't debunk my counter argument.

 

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He was complimenting Obama at the expense of every other hard-working, "literate", good-looking black man in the country, if you can't see that....

 

Again, a straw-man. I find it hilarious that republicans are complaining about a so called racist VP was running along side of a black man. If that's not irony, then I do not know what is.

 

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She was obviously well qualified to run a state

 

Running a state does not mean you are qualified to run a country; so that's the flaw in your argument right there.

 

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what makes a senator (especially one with less than 7 years experience) more qualified to run the country?

 

Less than 7 years experience? Who came up with this arbitrary number as the minimum a person should have before serving as the President? You?

 

The funniest thing about your argument is that it also concludes that Palin is more fit to run then John McCain, who is a SENATOR running for PRESIDENT.

 

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That he's more privy to Washington insiders and beltway politics? That he went to Harvard?

 

Oh, kind of like how John McCain

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I posted a racist quote, and you threw up the straw man of "well Obama wouldn't have picked a racist VP". I was returning to my original point and not responding to your straw man. Learn the definition. Are you debating that the statement was not racist? Because that was my original argument.

 

I was asking you what qualified someone to be president, because Obama had less than 7 years of Senate experience, lol @ you thinking it was an arbitrary number. Try to keep up.

 

Running a state is far more comparable to running a country than being a senator is. How anyone can even debate this is laughable. I'm not saying it is be-all-end-all to someone's electability etc, but the jobs do translate. A state is a scale level country. Any basic knowledge of the US and it's operations and government will show it.

 

Once again, however, you miss my point. The point wasn't that a senator CANNOT be President, but that being a state governor is a very good source of experience.

 

And the college you go to has no indication of whether or not that person will be a good president. Just because they have a degree from an Ivy League school does not mean they are smarter than you. By your logic, Bush 2 was the smartest president of all time because he had degrees from both Harvard and Yale.

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Originally posted by Osprey23:

I posted a racist quote, and you threw up the straw man of "well Obama wouldn't have picked a racist VP". I was returning to my original point and not responding to your straw man. Learn the definition. Are you debating that the statement was not racist? Because that was my original argument.

 

Yes, I debating that his comment was not meant to be racist. I think its kind of obvious you don't know what a straw-man is, judging from the posts like "WHAT DO YOU DO WITH YOUR LIFE?, etc. in defense of Palin". Actually, that also qualifies for ad-hominem as well. Good job.

 

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I was asking you what qualified someone to be president, because Obama had less than 7 years of Senate experience, lol @ you thinking it was an arbitrary number. Try to keep up.

 

Dude, you must be really dense or cannot read or maybe both. What I said was arbitrary was the MINIMUM limit you set as the number of years of experience a person should have to serve as senator before they can serve as President, not the number of years Obama already served.

 

Here is what I wrote (so take note):

 

"Less than 7 years experience? Who came up with this arbitrary number as the minimum a person should have before serving as the President? You?"

 

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Running a state is far more comparable to running a country than being a senator is. How anyone can even debate this is laughable. I'm not saying it is be-all-end-all to someone's electability etc, but the jobs do translate. A state is a scale level country. Any basic knowledge of the US and it's operations and government will show it.

 

So is Palin more qualified than John McCain?

 

 

 

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Once again, however, you miss my point. The point wasn't that a senator CANNOT be President, but that being a state governor is a very good source of experience.

 

But if you're a governor who's a known idiot, then it is not a good source of experience. She was a joke of a choice for VP and the elections and her interviews showed it.

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Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery:

Osprey, that's not really a fair critique for a couple reasons.

 

First, Joe Biden's been around forever, whereas Palin was an unknown. When Biden says something stupid, and as a known gaff machine that happened frequently, people could compare what he'd said to his record and to previous quotes. If Sarah Palin said something, it was all anyone had to go on. So when she started saying laughably stupid things and looking completely clueless about national and world issues in interviews, we really hadn't much reason to believe that those weren't her actual thoughts.

 

And if you want to talk about a politician getting unfairly treated by the media leading up to an election, you should start with Al Gore. Regardless of what you think of Al Gore's career since 2000, it should remain pretty clear that Al Gore got shafted something awful by the media in how he was portrayed leading up to the election, particularly with the media's presentation of "Al Gore quotes", which were most often blatant misquotes. Hell, Al Gore's most famous quote, strictly because of the media, is "I invented the internet" which is actually not even close to what he actually said, and when you look at what he DID say in context, it's not only not objectionable, it's entirely accurate.

 

All those quotes I posted from Biden were from the campaign, and none were a call back to his previous stances/positions, so I think it is an entirely fair comparison.

 

And Al Gore does get ripped a lot for his internet remark, but not so much for his claim that he and Tipper were the inspiration for the movie "Love Story" or that he "discovered" Love Canal.

 

The media more than made up for their treatment of Gore's intelligence during the 2000 election, when it was in full-on "lets make Bush look as stupid as possible" mode.

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when it was in full-on "lets make Bush look as stupid as possible" mode.

 

Like Palin, he pretty much did that to himself.

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Originally posted by LeBrickJames:

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Originally posted by Osprey23:

I posted a racist quote, and you threw up the straw man of "well Obama wouldn't have picked a racist VP". I was returning to my original point and not responding to your straw man. Learn the definition. Are you debating that the statement was not racist? Because that was my original argument.

 

Yes, I debating that his comment was not meant to be racist. I think its kind of obvious you don't know what a straw-man is, judging from the posts like "WHAT DO YOU DO WITH YOUR LIFE?, etc. in defense of Palin".

Looks like someone was confusing an insult with a straw man argument. I guess pre-Med students are exempt from logic/social science/philosophy/english classes at your college.

 

 

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I was asking you what qualified someone to be president, because Obama had less than 7 years of Senate experience, lol @ you thinking it was an arbitrary number. Try to keep up.

 

Dude, you must be really dense or cannot read or maybe both. What I said was arbitrary was the MINIMUM limit you set as the number of years of experience a person should have to serve as senator before they can serve as President, not the number of years Obama already served.

 

I never set a minimum ANYTHING. Go back and quote me where I said that. Reading comprehension FTL

 

 

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Running a state is far more comparable to running a country than being a senator is. How anyone can even debate this is laughable. I'm not saying it is be-all-end-all to someone's electability etc, but the jobs do translate. A state is a scale level country. Any basic knowledge of the US and it's operations and government will show it.

 

So is Palin more qualified than John McCain?

 

I'm not saying it is be-all-end-all to someone's electability etc. I did say that in the post you quoted, you know. Like I said, try to keep up.

 

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Once again, however, you miss my point. The point wasn't that a senator CANNOT be President, but that being a state governor is a very good source of experience.

 

But if you're a governor who's a known idiot, then it is not a good source of experience. She was a joke of a choice for VP and the elections and her interviews showed it.

 

That "idiot" managed the highest approval ratings of any governor in the nation and cleaned up corruption in the Alaska legislature. I wish all politicians were that stupid.

 

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Please bro, you are being dishonest in your posts so try to man up and admit when you're wrong.

 

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I never set a minimum ANYTHING. Go back and quote me where I said that. Reading comprehension FTL

 

Here is what you said:

 

what makes a senator (especially one with less than 7 years experience) more qualified to run the country?

 

You are basically saying that a senator with LESS THAN 7 years experience is not qualified to run the country. Therefore, you are setting a minimum limit on how many years a person should serve before being able to qualify to become president.

 

Also, ironic you're saying "reading comprehension for the loss" after you grossly misinterpreted what I wrote.

 

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I'm not saying it is be-all-end-all to someone's electability etc. I did say that in the post you quoted, you know. Like I said, try to keep up.

 

You are saying that she is more qualified than Obama because of her executive experience. When I turn that around on you to compare her to McCain, you know claim that you're not saying it's the be-all-end-all to someone's electability.

 

It's hard to keep up when you keep producing as many gaffe's as Sarah Palin.

 

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That "idiot" managed the highest approval ratings of any governor in the nation and cleaned up corruption in the Alaska legislature. I wish all politicians were that stupid.

 

Of Alaska. You know what the population is over there?

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cleaned up corruption in the Alaska legislature.

huh?

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Originally posted by GhostAnime:

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cleaned up corruption in the Alaska legislature.

huh?

 

He obviously doesn't know about these points:

 

Palin lied when she denied that Wasilla's police chief and librarian had been fired; in fact, both were given letters of termination the previous day.

 

Palin lied when she wrote in the NYT that a comprehensive review by Alaska wildlife officials showed that polar bears were not endangered; in fact, email correspondence between those scientists showed the opposite.

 

Palin lied when she claimed that Alaska produces 20 percent of the country's domestic energy supply; in fact, the actual figures, based on any interpretation of her words, are much, much lower.

 

Palin lied when she suggested to Katie Couric that she was involved in trade missions with Russia; in fact, she has never even met with Russian officials.

 

Palin lied when she insisted that the Branchflower Report "showed there was no unlawful or unethical activity on my part"; in fact, that report prominently stated, "Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act."

 

Palin lied when she mischaracterized the "$1200 check" given to Alaskans as the permanent fund dividend check; in fact, that fund had yielded $2,069 per person, and she claimed otherwise to obscure the fact that Alaskans also received a $1200 rebate check from a windfall profits tax on oil companies - a tax widely criticized by Republicans.

 

Palin lied when she claimed to be unaware of a turkey being slaughtered behind her during a filmed interview; in fact, the cameraman said she had picked the spot herself, while the slaughter was underway.

 

Palin lied when she announced on the news that she never holds closed-door meetings; in fact, she had just attended a closed-door meeting with the legislature earlier that day.

 

Palin lied when she denied that the Alaska Independence Party supports secession and denied that her husband had been a member; in fact, even the McCain campaign noted that the party's very existence is based on secession and that Todd was a member for seven years.

 

There are many more here, with links that provide proof of the assertion:

 

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...palin-a-roundup.html

 

Osprey, you seriously need to take a break from FoxNews every now and then and do some independent research. It would serve you some good.

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Originally posted by LeBrickJames:

Please bro, you are being dishonest in your posts so try to man up and admit when you're wrong.

 

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I never set a minimum ANYTHING. Go back and quote me where I said that. Reading comprehension FTL

 

Here is what you said:

 

what makes a senator (especially one with less than 7 years experience) more qualified to run the country?

 

You are basically saying that a senator with LESS THAN 7 years experience is not qualified to run the country. Therefore, you are setting a minimum limit on how many years a person should serve before being able to qualify to become president.

 

Also, ironic you're saying "reading comprehension for the loss" after you grossly misinterpreted what I wrote.

I guess you really are THAT dense. I was asking WHAT MADE OBAMA QUALIFIED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. Because it certainly wasn't his massive Senate experience, SEEING AS HE HAD LESS THAN SEVEN YEAR WORTH OF IT. I typed in all caps so it sinks in.

 

 

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I'm not saying it is be-all-end-all to someone's electability etc. I did say that in the post you quoted, you know. Like I said, try to keep up.

 

You are saying that she is more qualified than Obama because of her executive experience. When I turn that around on you to compare her to McCain, you know claim that you're not saying it's the be-all-end-all to someone's electability.

Once again, I never said she was more qualified than Obama, my argument from the beginning was that being a state senator is a GREAT qualification. You continually miss the point and I feel sorry for whoever you treat. I pray to God you become a podiatrist.

 

 

It's hard to keep up when you keep producing as many gaffe's as Sarah Palin.

 

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That "idiot" managed the highest approval ratings of any governor in the nation and cleaned up corruption in the Alaska legislature. I wish all politicians were that stupid.

 

Of Alaska. You know what the population is over there?

 

This is by far the saddest argument you've made on here. "BIG DEAL SHE WAS A GOVENOR, IT WAS ALASKA LOLZ. ITS ALL MOOSE UP THERE ANYWAY" I didn't realize in order to be "valid" as a governor you had to do it in a large state. How many people live in Delaware, by the way?

 

 

I really hope you know more about medicine than you do about politics, but then again, with Obama's new health care plan, I'm sure they'll find a job for you.

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I am pretty sure I have debunked every one of you're claims very thoroughly, so as of now, I am basically done talking to you about politics. It's a shame there are still people in the US who think Sarah Palin was a qualified candidate for VP. Anybody with an open-mind can see how fatally flawed and dishonest your arguments were.

 

Well I guess I can't be surprised that your last post was full of ad-hominems (attacks about me personally), and my future job as a person who works to deal with cancer patients.

 

Only a Palin supporter lol.

 

Im out of this thread guys, have fun dealing with this dude who is praying for me and my patients. Too funny.