So... the first round is set. Orlando Magic v. Chicago Bulls. DISCUSS!!

[Captain Hi-Top 791]

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Originally posted by gcver2ver3:

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Originally posted by ma:

Rafer is quick enough for Rose. Athleticism, ehh I give you that. However, Rafer is a steal machine, don't forget the quick hands. Now you see the ball, now you don't.

 

Salmons career average is 8.8 pts, this season he is scoring 18.5 points. However Pietrus's defense is the equalizing factor in this matchup.

 

Salmons is averaging over 21 ppg with Chicago, and he's been with us for a good number of games now...he's a 20 pt scorer and Salmons defense is very strong as well...

 

he is more than a slight edge over Peitrus...Salmons has played at an All-Star level since joining the Bulls...

 

Pack it up guys, the kid is right. Chicago will completely own Orlando, I might even sell my tickets now. At least I will get a decent refund on tickets for the later rounds.

[Penny Hardaway's Ghost 260]

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Originally posted by gcver2ver3:

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Originally posted by ma:

Rafer is quick enough for Rose. Athleticism, ehh I give you that. However, Rafer is a steal machine, don't forget the quick hands. Now you see the ball, now you don't.

 

Salmons career average is 8.8 pts, this season he is scoring 18.5 points. However Pietrus's defense is the equalizing factor in this matchup.

 

Salmons is averaging over 21 ppg with Chicago , and he's been with us for a good number of games now...he's a 20 pt scorer and Salmons defense is very strong as well...

 

he is more than a slight edge over Peitrus...Salmons has played at an All-Star level since joining the Bulls...

 

false, with Chicago he is averaging 18.84 points...All-Star, possibly...he has picked his game up since heading over is most categories, but only slightly and in only an extra minuter per game...like I said, love Salmons...

[gcver2ver3 0]

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Originally posted by rtillaree:

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Originally posted by ma:

Rafer is quick enough for Rose. Athleticism, ehh I give you that. However, Rafer is a steal machine, don't forget the quick hands. Now you see the ball, now you don't.

 

Salmons career average is 8.8 pts, this season he is scoring 18.5 points. However Pietrus's defense is the equalizing factor in this matchup.

 

 

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Originally posted by gcver2ver3:

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Originally posted by ma:

Matchups vs. Chicago:

 

Starters (Orlando has the edge):

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Rose vs. Alston - Rose has slight edge due to size

Gordon vs. Lee - Gordon has the edge

Salmons vs. Hedo - Hedo has the edge

Thomas vs. Lewis - Lewis has the edge

Noah vs. Dwight - pffff :-P

 

 

Bench (Chicago has the edge):

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Hinrich vs. AJ - Hinrich has the edge

Gordon vs. JJ - Gordon lights up

Salmons vs. Pietrus - Salmons has a slight edge

Johnson vs. Battie - Battie has a slight edge

Gray/Miller vs. Gortat - Miller has a slight edge

 

 

I say Orlando wins in 6 games due to their bench smoking ours.

 

there is more than a slight edge with Rose vs alston...and you have it due to size?...what about speed, quickness, & athleticism?...

 

and unless Pietrus is a 20 pt plus scorer than we have more than a slight edge there as well...

 

Rafer will be an X-Factor for the Magic in the playoffs, but in this match up it's Rose hands, arms, head and shoulders down...Rafer will probably pickup quite a few steals, but Rose will do the same thing, he has blossomed (see what I did there?) over this last month, his jumper has been outstanding, his defense has edged up and his assertiveness is through the roof right now...

 

as for Salmons/Pietrus...Salmons is an offensive nightmare, and Pietrus should never be placed in the same sentence as the terms equalizing and factor...I am hoping he steps it up in the playoffs, but I am not expecting much from him...

 

good points...

 

and i agree with all of them...

 

you're definitely right about Alston...while i hype Rose, i in no way want to disregard or overlook what Alston can do...he's a good player and to my knowledge has filled in nicely for Nelson...

 

he could certainly be an X-factor...and Rose will have a tough time containing him...

[gcver2ver3 0]

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Originally posted by rtillaree:

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Originally posted by gcver2ver3:

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Originally posted by ma:

Rafer is quick enough for Rose. Athleticism, ehh I give you that. However, Rafer is a steal machine, don't forget the quick hands. Now you see the ball, now you don't.

 

Salmons career average is 8.8 pts, this season he is scoring 18.5 points. However Pietrus's defense is the equalizing factor in this matchup.

 

Salmons is averaging over 21 ppg with Chicago , and he's been with us for a good number of games now...he's a 20 pt scorer and Salmons defense is very strong as well...

 

he is more than a slight edge over Peitrus...Salmons has played at an All-Star level since joining the Bulls...

 

false, with Chicago he is averaging 18.84 points...All-Star, possibly...he has picked his game up since heading over is most categories, but only slightly and in only an extra minuter per game...like I said, love Salmons...

 

i know the numbers...and we can nit pick it if you wish....

 

he was traded in late February and didn't start until March...he averaged 21.3 ppg during the month of March...

 

for his few games in April his average dropped due to injury...

 

so if we want to get technical, his avg is a little lower than 21 points but when he's been in the starting line-up and healthy he scores over 21 ppg...

 

fully expect him to average 20 plus against Orlando...we're gonna need him to score...

[Penny Hardaway's Ghost 260]

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Originally posted by gcver2ver3:

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Originally posted by rtillaree:

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Originally posted by gcver2ver3:

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Originally posted by ma:

Rafer is quick enough for Rose. Athleticism, ehh I give you that. However, Rafer is a steal machine, don't forget the quick hands. Now you see the ball, now you don't.

 

Salmons career average is 8.8 pts, this season he is scoring 18.5 points. However Pietrus's defense is the equalizing factor in this matchup.

 

Salmons is averaging over 21 ppg with Chicago , and he's been with us for a good number of games now...he's a 20 pt scorer and Salmons defense is very strong as well...

 

he is more than a slight edge over Peitrus...Salmons has played at an All-Star level since joining the Bulls...

 

false, with Chicago he is averaging 18.84 points...All-Star, possibly...he has picked his game up since heading over is most categories, but only slightly and in only an extra minuter per game...like I said, love Salmons...

 

i know the numbers...and we can nit pick it if you wish....

 

he was traded in late February and didn't start until March...he averaged 21.3 ppg during the month of March...

 

for his few games in April his average dropped due to injury...

 

so if we want to get technical, his avg is a little lower than 21 points but when he's been in the starting line-up and healthy he scores over 21 ppg...

 

fully expect him to average 20 plus against Orlando...we're gonna need him to score...

 

no, in 25 games with Chicago he's averaging 18.8 that just pure statistical fact, no room for debate...numbers are numbers...

[gcver2ver3 0]

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Originally posted by rtillaree:

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Originally posted by gcver2ver3:

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Originally posted by rtillaree:

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Originally posted by gcver2ver3:

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Originally posted by ma:

Rafer is quick enough for Rose. Athleticism, ehh I give you that. However, Rafer is a steal machine, don't forget the quick hands. Now you see the ball, now you don't.

 

Salmons career average is 8.8 pts, this season he is scoring 18.5 points. However Pietrus's defense is the equalizing factor in this matchup.

 

Salmons is averaging over 21 ppg with Chicago , and he's been with us for a good number of games now...he's a 20 pt scorer and Salmons defense is very strong as well...

 

he is more than a slight edge over Peitrus...Salmons has played at an All-Star level since joining the Bulls...

 

false, with Chicago he is averaging 18.84 points...All-Star, possibly...he has picked his game up since heading over is most categories, but only slightly and in only an extra minuter per game...like I said, love Salmons...

 

i know the numbers...and we can nit pick it if you wish....

 

he was traded in late February and didn't start until March...he averaged 21.3 ppg during the month of March...

 

for his few games in April his average dropped due to injury...

 

so if we want to get technical, his avg is a little lower than 21 points but when he's been in the starting line-up and healthy he scores over 21 ppg...

 

fully expect him to average 20 plus against Orlando...we're gonna need him to score...

 

no, in 25 games with Chicago he's averaging 18.8 that just pure statistical fact, no room for debate...numbers are numbers...

 

like i said, if you want to nit pick then nit pick...what i said was not incorrect...nothing to debate there either...

 

but he scores over 20 ppg when he starts for us...

 

trying to argue it won't change what he does in the playoffs, and i fully expect him to be above 20 ppg in the playoffs...

[Penny Hardaway's Ghost 260]

it's not nit picking...it's the undeniable truth...if you want to say he's averaging over 21 in a certain month, then say it, but with the Bulls, it's 19.9, injuries are part of the game...

[TampaTony 0]

I hope that depending on Salmons goes well for you but i'll put my money on two allstars right now and a healthy turk to drive this team to the second round... I think the bulls are a jump shooting team and more so against the magic and you can't play that way in the playoffs unless your the pistons and you have rasheed and the other big men they can throw at dwight... good luck with thinking that jump shooting can beat a top five defense in the league...

[gcver2ver3 0]

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Originally posted by rtillaree:

it's not nit picking...it's the undeniable truth...if you want to say he's averaging over 21 in a certain month, then say it, but with the Bulls, it's 19.9, injuries are part of the game...

 

it is nit picking because it doesn't change my point...

 

my point was the guy is a much bigger scoring threat than Peitrus and i know so because he scores 21 a game with the Bulls...then you come back with "it's not 21 pts it's 19"...that doesn't change anything, it's just correcting me on a technicality...

 

but yes, i suppose you're right...it isn't quite 21 points a game if you count the handful of games he played injured and that he didn't start...but when the playoffs start he will be healthy...so i'm looking forward to seeing what he does...

[gcver2ver3 0]

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Originally posted by TampaTony:

I hope that depending on Salmons goes well for you but i'll put my money on two allstars right now and a healthy turk to drive this team to the second round... I think the bulls are a jump shooting team and more so against the magic and you can't play that way in the playoffs unless your the pistons and you have rasheed and the other big men they can throw at dwight... good luck with thinking that jump shooting can beat a top five defense in the league...

 

lol...well me and some other posters were in a Salmons debate but i i'm certainly not just depending on Salmons...i am also depending on Rose, Hinrich, Gordon, Tyrus, Miller, Noah, etc...

 

you're right though...we won't beat you guys by shooting jumpers all day...we'll have to find a way to generate fastbreaks and points in the paint with cutters...it won't be easy...

[Penny Hardaway's Ghost 260]

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Originally posted by gcver2ver3:

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Originally posted by rtillaree:

it's not nit picking...it's the undeniable truth...if you want to say he's averaging over 21 in a certain month, then say it, but with the Bulls, it's 19.9, injuries are part of the game...

 

it is nit picking because it doesn't change my point...

 

my point was the guy is a much bigger scoring threat than Peitrus and i know so because he scores 21 a game with the Bulls...then you come back with "it's not 21 pts it's 19"...that doesn't change anything, it's just correcting me on a technicality...

 

but yes, i suppose you're right...it isn't quite 21 points a game if you count the handful of games he played injured and that he didn't start...but when the playoffs start he will be healthy...so i'm looking forward to seeing what he does...

 

it's not 19 points either, it's 18.84, that's why I love stats, they can't be bent or rounded, they are exactly what they say they are...

 

your point was fine about Salmons being a scoring threat over Pietrus, the only aspect of falsehood was the PPG average you listed...technicality or not, whether you want to say it or not, or as you put it know it, Salmons only averages 18.84 points with Chicago thus far, injured, on the road, with a head cold, wearing red, white, green or black, it's still not 21 through his course with your Bulls...

 

WITH BULLS

 

February: 5 games - 15ppg

March: 15 games - 21.33ppg

April: 5 games - 15.2ppg

 

that's an average of 17.2ppg with the Bulls, if you average the averages...

 

so any who, love Salmons, incredibly efficient player...

[PNuT1423 0]

a team hot streaking into the playoffs with an array of jump shots and very good guard to small forward play... see tmac's orlando magic.

 

i do admit i'd rather play philly than the bulls, but the bulls are a breath of fresh air considering we don't have to play detroit in the first round. i fully expect the bulls to come out for a game or two and just be on fire and probaly take that game, i expect noah to get some awesome cheapies on dwight by hitting the floor harder than i hit the rum bottles on the weekend. but i also expect the pitbull of a coach we have on the sideline to not let anyone falter, and that if a playoff series has to be won against orlando it will need to be extremely physical up front as well as an array of well timed jump shots.

 

peitrus has been flaky since his injuries, but stan remembers the 60 percent shooting night from the bulls earlier this season, i think he'd rather see courntey lee and peitrus play most of the game and foul out than have that happen again.

 

whatever happens, happens for the best, it will be interesting though.