Eskobar

You're right. I'm just angry all the time. I need to come on here to complain because it's the only thing that gives me a decent release in life. I'm sorry and I'll try to contribute better in the future.

Who's it built around Isaac? Mo? Vuc? AG and Fournier were supposed to carry this team, I'm not sure why anyone would argue against that. But I've been around this forum long enough to know some of you guys will disagree with literally anything just for the sake of it. I guess it's not a surprise, the team you obsess over is right up there with the Bucs in terms of being one of the worst professional franchises in all of sports for a good while now, it's not like there's anything else for you to do on this forum. AG is a bust and Fournier is comically bad and wouldn't even sniff a roster in the 80's, just simple facts many can see. The roster, and if we're being completely honest this franchise, is a disgrace and as it stands right now there's no end in sight. Thank God the Lightning are managed well, otherwise central Florida wouldn't have a single legit professional franchise.

No team built around AG and Fournier will ever be a contender. I've said this for years now. The franchise needs a drastic overhaul, again.

This has been an issue on this forum for a very long time. Usually one of the regulars gets their feelings hurt, mob mentality kicks in, and before long half the forum wants someone gone. Opinions are typically only welcome here if they align with what the regulars also think. I've seen it so many times.

The real problem here isn't the picks that were traded, it's the fact that so many of you will still attend games and hand over money to a franchise that has no direction whatsoever and is about to have a decade + rebuild. And that's if they make the right decisions going forward which isn't very likely given what happened tonight. This franchise is truly laughable.

I just don't think Butler plays well with Rondo and Wade. Butler needs to be the main guy and that's exactly what he'd be here. He pretty much is in Chicago too but it's a different dynamic when you have Wade on the roster. As others have mentioned adding Butler gives us a guy to build around, we just don't have that right now. Butler and a re-signed Ibaka isn't a horrible duo to build around. It really doesn't matter though if Rob continues to draft poorly, he has to nail a pick AND land a legit FA in the very near future.

You need a star to compete in the NBA, we don't have one. I'd give Chicago pretty much whatever they wanted for Butler. AG, Mario, our pick and even an additional piece if that's what it took. Not sure if the luncheon rumor is true or not, but it's common sense that a star such as Durant would want help if he came here as a free agent. When you trade for a guy like Butler you're also gaining an increased chance of landing a legit FA. That's definitely worth the extra role player you'd have to throw in to get him.

You think we should keep the guy who brought them in?

Rob was brought in to rebuild the franchise after finding a trade partner for Dwight. He then brought in and subsequently got rid of Nicholson, O'Quinn, Harkless, Harris, and Oladipo. He's now trying to get rid of Vucevic and seemingly Elfrid. How many times can Rob replace the "core" before ownership realizes he hasn't the slightest idea how to put a team together? At this point it's just pure comedy how incompetent someone can be and still retain their job.

Which means Elfrid would have been the next to go, I'm sure he's happy to learn the franchise has zero faith in him. This team is a mess.

Is Rob. After five offseasons he has assembled a team that has a zero percent chance of winning a championship, and only a slightly higher chance of making the playoffs as an 8th seed. One day he might develop the ability to put a team together, not just fill out a roster but form a legitimate NBA team. But today is not that day, he's in over his head. The team needs a rebuild and since he put us in this situation it would be insane to let him try again.

I meant compared to other NBA players. I think he has enough skill to be in the league, but not enough to justify the hype around him. I think his dunk contest performance has clouded the minds of some. His shot may have improved but often times just looks down right horrendous. He's the type of player who once the athleticism starts to go, he'll be completely useless. That won't be anytime soon, obviously, but I don't see him developing into anything that should be considered untouchable when it comes to the trade market.

People on this forum have always had a higher opinion of him than I do. I think he's a guy who has gotten by on athleticism his whole life and I don't think he has a lot of actual basketball skill. He has had some nice games this season, but disappears in far more games than he shows up for. I get that he's young, but I don't see him being anything more than an energy guy off the bench who can play some defense. I'd keep Elfrid over him.

Of course Rob should be fired, its been what, five or six years? The team isn't even a playoff contender much less a championship contender. All of his moves have amounted to nothing, it's time for ownership to clean house and start over. Ibaka is the only player I'd keep, every other player should be on the block.

I'll have to go back and watch again but when he was talking about how he likes to have fun, and Vogel was joking around during their meeting, I'm almost positive he said it 14:30, hard to tell but it sounds like it.