Shine88
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1 hour ago, Soul Bro said:Crazy trade that works:
Orlando gets Herro
Miami gets Lillard and Nurkic
Portland gets Lowry, Black, Suggs, Harris and Jovik
Can’t seem to save the trade link but it’s feasible.
You'll give up all that just for Herro and his bad contract. Horrible trade.
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33 minutes ago, All Eyes On Me said:I think Wendell is better than Ayton. Just need a solid backup 5
Yeah, I agree. I think Jaxson Hayes is a more realistic option.
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4 minutes ago, ball junkie said:Jimmer …scroll to the 9:25 mark …dude always gets a crazy amount of views
I think Black was higher on their board than Ausar Thompson. His camp had a nice read that Orlando was his landing spot back when Whitmore was projected as a top 5 pick. I think if Amen would've been available, it would've made their decision a bit more difficult. They went out their way to workout Black after his camp initially declined to workout for Orlando.
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The Orlando Magic needed a movement shooter next to their young core, and they got it in Jett Howard Incredibly versatile in different off-ball screening actions, as he proved at Michigan. Quick, pristine release. Shot 40% from 3 through 17 games pre-ankle injuryDidn't like the pick at first, but starting to come around to really liking it now. Reminds me of a 6'8 version of Jordan Poole. I feel Weltman was looking for a guy that was more than a shooter, and Howard is a scorer/shooter, a las Terrance Ross. -
35 minutes ago, TreyMachine said:Here's a two scenarios that are fun to conjecture on:
- If Cam Whitmore is taken #5, do we still take Black or do we take Ausar Thompson?
- If Coulibaly is still there at #11, so we take him or are we still taking Jett?
I'm of the opinion I still think we take Black (and anger tons of guys on this board even more), but would have taken Coulibaly had he been available, even if the fit with Jett might be better.
I still think we take Black over Ausar. Blacks' team turned down our workout at first, but I guess management must've told his team we were going to shake the roster up, which made his people felt more comfortable and allowed Black to workout with us.
Now, I think the real decision would've been if Amen was available.
I agree on Jett Howard. I feel he was their guy all along at 11.
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RJ Hampton waived by Detroit.
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19. Golden State Warriors
Jett Howard
Michigan
SG/SF
Age: 19.7
Howard's draft range starts around No. 11 (Orlando), with plenty of teams looking for shooters with
size, skill and feel that will likely consider him, including Toronto (No. 13), Utah (No. 16), and the Lakers
(No. 17). He's an extreme contrast in ability, from what he showed early in the season until late of it
when he played through an injury. If not Howard, the Warriors could look at other prospects who fit
their style of play. The appetite for taking on more projects will likely be limited due to their narrow
window for maximizing the prime of Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and others. Sources tell ESPN the
Warriors are also exploring the option of acquiring a high draft pick in exchange for a young prospect
such as Jonathan Kuminga -- GivonyGivony knew all along.
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30 minutes ago, DestroidMengars said:I do feel a little bad for Anthony. What this Arkansas write up fails to understand is that our animosity has very little to do with Anthony Black himself in a vacuum. It's much more about this front office constantly drafting this archetype of player who has positional size, is a good defender, and a poor shooter, and then that player never develops a shot with us. The issue might have more to do with our shooting coaches? Indeed, a lot of our animosity is due to Anthony specifically reminding us of Elfrid Payton who ended up being a terrible pick. If you took all that Magic history out of the equation and Anthony wasn't didn't match the player archetype we always draft and who never works out, I bet we'd be more excited or at least intrigued with him. But that animosity has very little to do with him as an individual and he doesn't deserve the hate.
The Payton comparison is lazy. He's already a much better prospect as an Freshman than Payton was as an Junior. Plus, the kid didn't start playing basketball full-time until after his Junior year of high school, and been one of the fastest risers ever since. Payton did damage in the Sunbelt conference, he did his on the biggest stages (Maui, SEC, NCAA Tournament)., which is two totally different levels.
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57 minutes ago, ball junkie said:Cason Wallace was better …and yeah I’m a UK fan …but I think you’ll see and at this point it’s hard to bet against UK guards flourishing in the pros …he went 10th and OKC traded up to get him …I know who looked better when they played head to head …and UK had injuries and a down year also
Homerism. Black had a better season than Wallace, which is way he was always ranked ahead of him throughout the whole season. Black was the best player in the Maui tournament, which is the best preseason tournament in the college basketball. Plus, he was easily the best player UConn faced on their tournament run.
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9 minutes ago, Jon said:You can find reports of them wanting to trade up all over the place.
Look, y’all seem to have complete utter faith in Weham. I don’t.
It's cool if you don't have faith in them, but it's a bit weird when you say "they didn't get the guy they wanted", when it's clear as day these two were guy they were targeted all along.
Plus, the same guys that reported Cam Whitmore was falling, were the same ones that were saying the Magic, Wizard and Jazz were high on Black.
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33 minutes ago, Jon said:Eh sounds like they didn’t get what they wanted and now just describing what they got.
How so? Black has been their target for the past month. I believe his camp knew all along the Magic were his landing spot. Both the Jazz and Wizards were in talks with Detroit to jump in front of us to draft him.
Utah has been in contact with the Pistons about trading up from Nos. 9 and 16, according to league sources, with rival teams of the belief the Jazz are searching to get above Washington’s eighth pick in order to select Arkansas guard Anthony Black.
And as for Howard, it was reported some weeks back that he had a good workout for them and that they were high on him. I mean Grady and Hawkins ( two of the best shooters in this draft) were still on the board. So it's clear they had a higher grade on Howard than they did them.
So I don't understand how they didn't get who they wanted, when the two guys they drafted were the two guy they were targeted all this time.
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34 minutes ago, Jay Magic said:I liked this kids game after watching him ball out in the Maui tournament. But this was the game where I fell in love with his game. He was the sole reason UConn didn't win this game by 40. The kid was a menace on both ends of the floor.
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33 minutes ago, Jon said:Here’s my thing. Black is a fine player. Plays defense, makes passes, good glue guy off the bench rn imo.
Look at our backcourt...Fultz, Cole, Suggs and now Black with Gary Harris as our lone true starting 2 guard who outside of hitting a wide open three, is atrocious at pretty much everything else. Our backcourt was one of the worst offensively. It still is.
It’s a weak FA class this year. Next year’s draft is horrible. This draft for me was the last kick at the tires to bring in that last piece. I feel we failed in that regard. IMO we just prolonged the rebuild another year or two with this draft and it irks me.
This draft was a crapshoot after the top 3 picks. Black was the BPA, so I don't see how we "failed" in that regard. Both the Wizards and Jazz were trying to jump in front of us for Black. So I don't understand what the fuzz is all about.
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1 minute ago, ball junkie said:I’ll also add …I don’t think there were any questions with Elfrid about athleticism …there are with Black …see previous page
Black had an 40' inch vertical at the combine
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Vassell is a core piece for the Spurs. He's pretty much untouchable. He's the perfect fit next to Wemby.
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20 minutes ago, Soul Bro said:If they add Harden and Siakim, I'm curious if they'll trade Porter Jr., Green or Smith Jr... Smith Jr. had a terrible year, but he could be a buy-low candidate.
I doubt Jabari a buy-low candidate after finishing the season strong. Shot and rebounded the ball very well down the stretch.
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Weltham attended Lively's pro day
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I feel like there's a couple of different routes we can take in this draft. We can go the route the Phoenix Suns went, when they drafted Mikel Bridges and Cam Johnson - two plug and play guys who were ready to play a role day one. The other route is to draft for upside, and the last one is to go 1 and 1 - one upside and one plug and play guy.
So here our three scenarios:
Plug and Play - #6. - Grady Dick, #11. - Jordan Hawkins
Upside - #6. Ausur Thompson, #11 - Dereck Lively
1 and 1 - #6. Ausur Thompson, #11. Jordan Hawkins/Carson Wallace
One thing for sure, this draft will let us know were they think we our as a Franchise.
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1 hour ago, orlandoholic said:My issue with drafting shooters in the draft, is that they rarely translate as advertised in the NBA. I am definitely staying away from Dick!!
- McLemore was supposed to be hyperathletic Ray Allen 2.0
- Kispert was Joe Harris 2.0
- Jabari Smith was R. Lewis/ Gallinari 2.0
- Monk struggled for long
- Nesmith struggling for his career
- Reddish struggling
- K. Knox struggling for his career
- Kennard solid
just to name a few.. Rarely do these shooters work out.. I can think of Cam Johnson and Trey Murphy, but struggling to find more
I think Hawkins shooting will translate more than any other prospects in this class. He's the best shooter on the move in this class, and probably the best in a while. A lot of those prospects you've listed were spot up, stationary shooter.
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2 hours ago, orlandoholic said:Goga has same issue as Kanter. Just can’t play defense.
Similar to Mo Wagner..
that’s why i truly think we will draft Lively at 11.
I'm definitely coming around to Lively at 11, especially if Grady isn't there. I think he could be a more athletic version of Kessler. Extremely raw on the offensive side, though.
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I know people on this board want Austin Reaves ( I want him, too), but I think Rui Hachimura is a more realistic option. He's everything we're hoping Chuma to be, and I think there's still some untapped potential in his game. I know the Lakers want both back, but I think they have a higher priority on Reaves, so I believe they'll be more willing to let Ruin walk.
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The San Antonio Spurs won the NBA Draft lottery and the right to select Victor Wembanyama with the ping pong ball combo 14, 5, 8, 2. The Portland Trail Blazers held the combination 14, 5, 8, 3. They missed by just one number on the final ball.
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Fred Katz
@FredKatz
Just emerged from the drawing room of the lottery, where San Antonio didn’t just win the first pick. Spurs got drawn TWO more times in the lottery, so they had to redo multiple picks. Destiny was on their side tonight -
Portland is the most interesting team in the lottery. If they keep the pick, keep Dame and Charlotte drafts Miller, do they draft Scoot? If so, then that'd leave Simons as the odd man out, and I think we should jump on that and bring him back home.
But in all, I think they should trade Dame and Nurkic and build around a young core of Sharpe, Simons and Scoot/Miller.
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2023 NBA Free Agency Thread
in Orlando Magic Forum
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You were excited for this weak free agency class? You notice most of the teams (Pistons and Spurs) with cap space basically punted this off-season to maintain cap flexibility for next year. Plus, I think the goal was to add players around Paolo and Franz to continue to allow them to grow, and not guys that would disrupt their development.