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quote: Originally posted by Drain-O:http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?playe...ams=4~4~19&te=&cash= Problem solved. Get er done Otis. LOL. Otis would win GM of the year, if he pull that trade off.

quote: Originally posted by rtillaree:I dont think JJ is a good fit for Portland they get solid wing production as it is. They have Roy, Webster, Fernandez, and arent really hurting in the 3 point shooting dept. I dont really see a need for JJ, a seemingly uni-dimensional player...plus Nate said he doesnt want to move Rodriguez...JJ needs to go a place that needs that 3 point shooting... Miami, Memphis, Philly, Cleveland, Chicago... If that the case, Cleveland is a pretty good 3pt shooting team too, and Rodriguez agent is pissing off alot of people within the Blazers organization.

quote: there isn't a single player out of that draft who looks like they'll ever be an allstar, and yet probably a solid half of the players in those two rounds are in their team's rotations. It's bizarre. I guess you haven't hear of Rudy Fernandez, Ramon Sessions, and Marc Gasol.

Trade him to Portland for Rodriguez

quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery: quote: Originally posted by Rodriguez:The Magic doesn't have the money to get good bench players, because we invested $270M in 4 players for the next 5 years. The Celtics are paying more money to 3 players than the Magic are paying those 4. Money would only be an issue if ownership says it is. But their the defending champ.

quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery: quote: Originally posted by truth393: quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery: quote: Originally posted by truth393:You can add Ariza to the list with Billups, Ben Wallace, Gooden, and Varejao. This are players we had, who went on to have better career when they left the Magic. Using Varejao and Billups in this example is a little silly since neither actually played a game with the team. Who's fault is that? What I meant was that you can't really fault a team for failing to develop a player when the player wasn't around long enough to be developed anyway. Blaming a team's management for failing to develop young players is a worthy criticism, but blaming them for failing to develop young players who never even suited up with the team is just silly. Zaza Pachulia is a player we let get away as a way of protecting Grant Hill's ego. Varejao is a player who was on the team in name only. It's hard to feel bad about losing a player who was never *really* on the team. It's the same reason I don't care about Rodney Stuckey: because we didn't trade Stuckey. We traded a mid first round pick. The Magic had no real way of knowing that draft was going to turn out as deep as it did. The 15th pick the year before was Cedric Simmons and the year before that it was Antoine Wright. Not exactly high quality. Side note: Has there ever been a draft as deep for solid 3rd or 4th option players and bench role players, that was also so utterly bereft of stars as the 2007 draft? With the exception of Durant and maybe Oden, there isn't a single player out of that draft who looks like they'll ever be an allstar, and yet probably a solid half of the players in those two rounds are in their team's rotations. It's bizarre. Stuckey and Varejao situation is completely different. Varejao was actually on our team, he came in with Howard and Nelson in the 2004 draft, Stuckey was never apart of the Magic, so there a big different between the two.

quote: Originally posted by Rodriguez:The Magic doesn't have the money to get good bench players, because we invested $270M in 4 players for the next 5 years. Pretty much

quote: Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16: quote: Originally posted by truth393: quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery: quote: Originally posted by truth393:You can add Ariza to the list with Billups, Ben Wallace, Gooden, and Varejao. This are players we had, who went on to have better career when they left the Magic. Using Varejao and Billups in this example is a little silly since neither actually played a game with the team. Who's fault is that? Weisbrod and Gabriel, but they aren't here anymore. Thank You

quote: Originally posted by ball junkie:I have a longtime friend who is the head coach at a local college...he was a high school teammate of one of the Blazers assistant coaches...the Blazer coach invited him up to the game Monday night and they spent some time together...I told my friend to ask the Blazer assistant if Portland would be interested in Hedo since many of my friends seem to think the Blazers would be a logical destination for the Turk. My friend told me that the Blazer assistant told him that they would love to have Hedo but that they coudn't afford him. Portland would be a nice fit for Turk, and they have like 3 pieces we can use Fyre, Outlaw, and Rodriguez.

quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery: quote: Originally posted by truth393:You can add Ariza to the list with Billups, Ben Wallace, Gooden, and Varejao. This are players we had, who went on to have better career when they left the Magic. Using Varejao and Billups in this example is a little silly since neither actually played a game with the team. Who's fault is that?

quote: Dunleavy Shoots Down Rumors: Clipper's GM and head coach Mike Dunleavy addressed the rampant rumors that his club was considering trading center Chris Kaman, after reports from New York indicated the Clips and Bobcats were talking trade. Dunleavy explained that he was approached by the Bobcats and turned them away, calling the leak to the press sour grapes on the Bobcats' part. "They got the rejection," Dunleavy said. "But they threw it out there that I almost had a dance with somebody." Kaman for his part took the news in stride, as easily one of the most honest players in the league about his feelings, simply calling the rumors part of the business. "I enjoy playing here," Kaman said to the LA Times. "I hope I can stay here for a while. But if there are other plans, that's their deal and it's their business... I don't know what the trade was. But it doesn't really matter. If you don't look at it like a business, you're going to get offended too easily." There is belief that the Clippers would be open to moving the remaining four years and $43 million owed to Kaman. Combined with the ending deals the Clippers have in 2009, moving Kaman for a shorter deal or group of deals would make the Clippers one of the bigger cap players in the summer of 2010. Don't expect that this will be the last of the Chris Kaman rumors, especially once Marcus Camby returns to the lineup. Clippers' sources deny any interest on the part of the club in trading Kaman, but admit that once a rumor gets out that's validated within the team, the next ten will soon follow.

You can add Ariza to the list with Billups, Ben Wallace, Gooden, and Varejao. This are players we had, who went on to have better career when they left the Magic.

Rashard Lewis should have a good game tomorrow.

quote: Originally posted by rtillaree:face what? there is nothing to face...your opinion, vs. my opinion...there is zero way to prove either side... Lee and Douby similar? way off there...better refer to the scouting reports on that one... Turk fits Stans current Orlando scheme, yes...you honestly expect me to believe that Stan wouldn't know what to do with Salmons should we lose Hedo? so if Stan accepted the job in Sacramento, what would he have been forced to do with Salmons then? coaches are forced to make changes all the time...if they cant, they suck and usually get the axe... Like I said before this deal doesn't allow Lewis to move back to his natural position, so in the end were better off keeping Turk. As far as Douby and C-Lee, there pretty much similar offensively, but Lee is a better defender than Douby. So what do you mean by I'm way off?

quote: Originally posted by rtillaree: quote: Originally posted by truth393: quote: Originally posted by MagicAtic: quote: Originally posted by truth393: quote: Originally posted by rtillaree:keeping in line with the Sacramento fodder Trade Machine we might have to throw in a pick... Nelson/Douby/AJ MP/Bogans/Lee Lewis/Salmons/Richardson Moore/Battie Dwight/Gortat/Foyle Douby is a SG that has undergone some PG makeover, but still far from being a PG...however, he has the ability to score off the bench, he's also pretty quick, if anything he brings some length and some energy. Salmons is great off the bench, a big time one on one player, and a pretty darn good defender. Moore is just a big guy that can give us some energy, he just needs to be given step by step instructions, otherwise he gets foul happy...dude will flop with the best of them... How does this trade help the Magic? This would help us get back to the lottery. pretty much pretty much false...unless you have some ability to tap into the future... Just face it man, this trade doesn't make the Magic any better. Moore and Battie are basically the same player, and Douby game is pretty much the same as C-Lee minus the defense, and Turk fits Stan system better than Salmons would.

quote: For all the stat geeks, Ariza had a plus/minus of +34 Sunday night. Put that in your web browser and click it. Good things happen when Ariza's on the court, even if he doesn't always get his name called over the loudspeakers when the play is finished. "He's like a ghost out there," Jackson said. "Like a shadow. Just all of a sudden he shows on a screen, he's gone. He's a blip and he's away." quote: "I'm the type of player, I like to be sneaky," Ariza said. "That's how I get most of my steals, hiding behind guys and at the last second jumping in front. I try to be a team player. Whatever the team needs me to do to help us win." http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=a...e=ArizaLakers-081110

quote: Originally posted by MagicAtic: quote: Originally posted by truth393: quote: Originally posted by rtillaree:keeping in line with the Sacramento fodder Trade Machine we might have to throw in a pick... Nelson/Douby/AJ MP/Bogans/Lee Lewis/Salmons/Richardson Moore/Battie Dwight/Gortat/Foyle Douby is a SG that has undergone some PG makeover, but still far from being a PG...however, he has the ability to score off the bench, he's also pretty quick, if anything he brings some length and some energy. Salmons is great off the bench, a big time one on one player, and a pretty darn good defender. Moore is just a big guy that can give us some energy, he just needs to be given step by step instructions, otherwise he gets foul happy...dude will flop with the best of them... How does this trade help the Magic? This would help us get back to the lottery. pretty much

quote: Quick report from Tuesday afternoon's Magic practice... Magic C Dwight Howard didn't practice Tuesday, the day after putting up 29 points and 19 rebounds in Orlando's 106-99 loss to Portland. Howard rested with swelling in his left knee, though neither Coach Stan Van Gundy nor Howard seemed particularly worried about it as he is not expected to miss any game action. "We just cant' seem to get [the swelling] down," Van Gundy said. "Hopefully we can get it down pretty soon." Said Howard, who was wearing a thin support brace on the knee: "It's no concern. I'm not at all concerned about it." Van Gundy said the two-hour workout before the team headed to the airport was singular a day after poor execution down the stretch bit them against Portland. "We worked on trying to move the ball better," he said. "That was our entire emphasis...We simply all aren't moving the ball well right now." http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_nothingbutnet/2.../magic-practice.html

quote: Quick report from Tuesday afternoon's Magic practice... Magic C Dwight Howard didn't practice Tuesday, the day after putting up 29 points and 19 rebounds in Orlando's 106-99 loss to Portland. Howard rested with swelling in his left knee, though neither Coach Stan Van Gundy nor Howard seemed particularly worried about it as he is not expected to miss any game action. "We just cant' seem to get [the swelling] down," Van Gundy said. "Hopefully we can get it down pretty soon." Said Howard, who was wearing a thin support brace on the knee: "It's no concern. I'm not at all concerned about it." Van Gundy said the two-hour workout before the team headed to the airport was singular a day after poor execution down the stretch bit them against Portland. "We worked on trying to move the ball better," he said. "That was our entire emphasis...We simply all aren't moving the ball well right now." http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_nothingbutnet/2.../magic-practice.html

quote: Originally posted by zava: quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery:As is often the case with diligent people working diligently towards their diligent work, it's been uncovered that there are those among the committee's work force that have come to believe that they are "necessary" by some almost supernatural decree. This delusion of importance is obviously flawed, since no worker is ever completely invulnerable, but the same delusion of protection brought upon by being "necessary" towards some untold agenda. This absurd notion has, like many absurd notions before it, permeated this board: soaking into the earth like a particularly obnoxious weed, roots dug deep into its core. Someone needs to remove these foul weeds, obviously. Just call me the gardener. Don't actually call me that. It seems remarkably easy to say that any given high use player on any given team would be indispensible to that team, and that the loss of said player would result in a travesty of poor play the likes of which the game had never known, and woe woe woe BS BS BS. Even if we ignore the fact that such a line of thinking is monumentally disrespectful to the other players on the team, it's also patently ridiculous. The number of trades made mid-season that have positively affected their respective teams would be too numerous to mention, and I'd be shouted down if I bothered trying. But here are some descriptive words used to describe a certain Magic player: primary fourth quarter scoring option. Primary facillitator on offense. Arguably the team's best scorer, playmaker, and all around player. I am of course referring to Steve Francis. Surprised? You shouldn't be. Steve Francis was Orlando's primary everything in his season and a half in Orlando. That he was traded surprised exactly no one, because the trade made the team better anyways. And so it is that people claim, like lambs baaaing at the butcher before the blade comes down, that people on this board and at large will claim that the Magic can never and will never trade Hedo Turkoglu, and even the ever so slightly more sensible posters will come up wit ha list of demands so ridiculous as to make Hedo untradeable by default. This, of course, ignores the fact that Richard Jefferson, a player better than Hedo Turkoglu, was traded for an expiring contract and a flock of seagulls less than a year ago. You all know you were going to make that joke. The notion that trading a 28 year old "Never been an all-star" will somehow net us 2 starting quality players is so laughable, I would need an entire separate column to describe how truly laughable it actually is. The reality is that Hedo is a decent starting caliber player who passes well for a player his size, plays no defense of any kind, and has a penchant for chucking late in games because he's clearly read far too much of his own homeristic press, which seems to have been written primarily by whiny sycophants. And while I've addressed the whiny Hedo sycophants(the WHSes for short) before, it should be noted that their lives could easily be condensed into one overarching epiphany: Hedo will never love you. And yet the WHSes pester on, like lemmings over the side of the cliff, simply because they don't know any better. A recent thread regarding the prospects of a Hedo for Gerald Wallace swap was met with an eyesore of stupid opinions about Hedo being a better player than Wallace, for this team or any other. This is jaw-droppingly stupid, of course, since Gerald Wallace could eat Hedo's breakfast, lunch, dinner, drink his milkshake, and steal his candy. While one could argue that the trade doesn't work due to CAP restrictions(valid), that Wallace is injury prone(valid), or that the trade wouldn't address a real need(valid, providing you don't like good defense). But to suggest that Hedo is better, or the other option, that the team would simply fall apart like a house of cards without Hedo's Magic Johnson like playmaking(which consists of calling his own number 90% of the time, as near as I can tell) is just silly. Do you have that little respect for the rest of the team? If so, please, become a fan of badminton or something. We don't want your kind. Good day, Magic fans. As always, I'm Drunk On Mystery, and the knowledge you exist is a burden on my soul. You really have a looot of time... from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_a_life "Get a life" is an originally American idiom and catch phrase usually intended as a taunt, to indicate that the person being so addressed is devoting an inordinate amount of time to trivial or hopeless matters. The phrase has also appeared as a generally more emphatic variant of the taunt "get a job"[1] and implies the addressee needs to go out and make their way in the world, without being supported by outside sources such as parents or benefactors. It may also be directed at someone who is perceived as boring or single-minded; suggesting they acquire some other, more practical interests or hobbies and get dates, find a job, or move to their own house. LOL

quote: Originally posted by rtillaree: quote: Originally posted by truth393: quote: Originally posted by rtillaree: quote: Originally posted by truth393: quote: Originally posted by rtillaree:keeping in line with the Sacramento fodder Trade Machine we might have to throw in a pick... Nelson/Douby/AJ MP/Bogans/Lee Lewis/Salmons/Richardson Moore/Battie Dwight/Gortat/Foyle Douby is a SG that has undergone some PG makeover, but still far from being a PG...however, he has the ability to score off the bench, he's also pretty quick, if anything he brings some length and some energy. Salmons is great off the bench, a big time one on one player, and a pretty darn good defender. Moore is just a big guy that can give us some energy, he just needs to be given step by step instructions, otherwise he gets foul happy...dude will flop with the best of them... How does this trade help the Magic? what do you mean? Moore = quality big man depth. Salmons = strong one on one player, something we dont really have, plus he brings defense and FT attempts. Douby = young PG depth off the bench, capable of scoring overall the trade strengthens the bench and allows Lewis to return to the SF slot where he can start working on creating his own game again...Having Salmons and Dwight on the same team will increase our standings in the FT attempts per game category...Moore will add to our rebounding and overall post presence...we dont have to worry about signing any of these guys for a little bit...puts more pressure on Nelson to carry the load...I think it helps a lot... Douby isn't a PG, and never was one, so that basically put us back in a logjam at SG. Moore game is pretty much the same as Battie, and do you actually think Moore would start for Stan? Lewis would still be starting at PF, and Salmons would be our new SF. So in the end this trade wouldn't make us any better, actually it would make us worst because it would leave us without a playmaker. Douby is playing PG right now...he's not a PG, but he has been playing the position for some time with Sacramento, check into it... this trade doesnt make us worse (or worst as you say), it makes us different... I will agree, Lewis and Salmons might start together, it's a possibility...did you know that Salmons and Hedo are averaging about the same stats, including assists right now? Salmons can pass the ball as well FYI...granted, we lose a play maker, but if you had to strike or lose Hedo, this isnt a bad deal, regardless of how you feel about it... It's a bad deal because it doesn't allow Rashard Lewis to move back to his natural position. Just so know Douby is the back-up SG, and Bobby Jackson and Bobby Brown are the back-up PG, so you my friend need to check into it.

quote: Originally posted by rtillaree: quote: Originally posted by truth393: quote: Originally posted by rtillaree:keeping in line with the Sacramento fodder Trade Machine we might have to throw in a pick... Nelson/Douby/AJ MP/Bogans/Lee Lewis/Salmons/Richardson Moore/Battie Dwight/Gortat/Foyle Douby is a SG that has undergone some PG makeover, but still far from being a PG...however, he has the ability to score off the bench, he's also pretty quick, if anything he brings some length and some energy. Salmons is great off the bench, a big time one on one player, and a pretty darn good defender. Moore is just a big guy that can give us some energy, he just needs to be given step by step instructions, otherwise he gets foul happy...dude will flop with the best of them... How does this trade help the Magic? what do you mean? Moore = quality big man depth. Salmons = strong one on one player, something we dont really have, plus he brings defense and FT attempts. Douby = young PG depth off the bench, capable of scoring overall the trade strengthens the bench and allows Lewis to return to the SF slot where he can start working on creating his own game again...Having Salmons and Dwight on the same team will increase our standings in the FT attempts per game category...Moore will add to our rebounding and overall post presence...we dont have to worry about signing any of these guys for a little bit...puts more pressure on Nelson to carry the load...I think it helps a lot... Douby isn't a PG, and never was one, so that basically put us back in a logjam at SG. Moore game is pretty much the same as Battie, and do you actually think Moore would start for Stan? Lewis would still be starting at PF, and Salmons would be our new SF. So in the end this trade wouldn't make us any better, actually it would make us worst because it would leave us without a playmaker.

quote: Originally posted by rtillaree:keeping in line with the Sacramento fodder Trade Machine we might have to throw in a pick... Nelson/Douby/AJ MP/Bogans/Lee Lewis/Salmons/Richardson Moore/Battie Dwight/Gortat/Foyle Douby is a SG that has undergone some PG makeover, but still far from being a PG...however, he has the ability to score off the bench, he's also pretty quick, if anything he brings some length and some energy. Salmons is great off the bench, a big time one on one player, and a pretty darn good defender. Moore is just a big guy that can give us some energy, he just needs to be given step by step instructions, otherwise he gets foul happy...dude will flop with the best of them... How does this trade help the Magic?

Ball Junkie, so ESPN Insider is where you get your "Insider Info" from?