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quote: Originally posted by Skywise316: quote: Originally posted by truth393: quote: The Golden State Warriors and New York Knicks have agreed in principle on a deal that would swap disgruntled Warriors forward Al Harrington for Knicks guard Jamal Crawford. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3717209 That's the final word and I think the Warriors win that deal. They didn't rob them blind of anything, but they win another deal. Al Harrington in a D'antoni system should be interesting though. I think it's a even trade for both teams.

quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery: quote: Originally posted by Jareth Cutestory: quote: After dealing Jamal Crawford to the Warriors for Al Harrington, the Knicks are working on a trade that would land Zach Randolph in Dallas. Jerry Stackhouse has expressed a desire to be traded but his contract is half the value of Randolph's deal. Unless another player is thrown into the trade, there is a possibility that the Knicks will recruit a third team to make the Randolph deal work. The Clippers, however, are still hoping to acquire Randolph for Tim Thomas and Cuttino Mobley. http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55584/20081121/randolph_to_dallas/ I guess the Knicks wanted to win a few games before blowing the entire roster up? Actually, what they did was fairly shrewd. Going into this season, they only had about 3 players with any kind of value trade wise: Lee, Chandler, and Crawford, with it being common knowledge that Crawford's raw numbers exaggerated his abilities. By coming out, winning, and playing well they drove up their players' values a good amount. If they can dump Randolph in exchange for, lets say Stackhouse and Diop, they've saved themselves about well over 10m in 2010. I think they'd have to wait til 12/15 to make that trade, but you understand my point. Diop doesn't fit D'Antoni system, nor does his contract fits into Walsh plans.

I think the Knicks will do the trade with the Clippers. Thomas and Mobley would fit into D'Antoni system alot better than Stackhouse.

quote: The Golden State Warriors and New York Knicks have agreed in principle on a deal that would swap disgruntled Warriors forward Al Harrington for Knicks guard Jamal Crawford. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3717209

quote: Originally posted by SmackDaddy: quote: Originally posted by bringithomerashard:playing more minutes a game is a big reason. He is a good addition to this team because he is a good defender and can defend the great SG's of the league...other than that whatever he puts in the hoop is a bonus, for a guy that averages 9 points per game for his career we payed him a lot of money. Was Hedo overpaid when we signed him to an MLE? How did that work out? Exactly, people definitely said that we overpaid Turk back in 2004. I think Hedo will consider between 10-12 mill per year.

quote: Originally posted by Drain-O: quote: Originally posted by truth393: quote: Originally posted by Drain-O:Now all the Knicks need is a big billboard in Times Square of Lebron in his Yankees Cap with something along the lines of Coming in 2010. I have serious doubt about LeBron signing with the Knicks. I just don't see it happening, unless Nike offer him an 8 figure deal to sign with the Knicks. I do not either. I have been on record as saying Bosh, Wade, Anthony, and Lebron will all stay on their current teams. I do not think Lebron playing in New York is going to make him anymore famous than he is now. Now Zach Randolph in LA is a another story. Now Bosh might be the one to leave for a bigger market.

quote: Originally posted by Drain-O:Now all the Knicks need is a big billboard in Times Square of Lebron in his Yankees Cap with something along the lines of Coming in 2010. I have serious doubt about LeBron signing with the Knicks. I just don't see it happening, unless Nike offer him an 8 figure deal to sign with the Knicks.

ESPN is saying that the trade is, Harrington for Crawford.

quote: Originally posted by Drain-O:Part of Al's problems in Golden State were that he wanted to start and he wanted big minutes. He is not going to get that on the Magic. So even if they did trade for him he is not starting over Turk or Lewis or really going to cut into their minutes. I think Don Nelson said he thinks he is a superstar but does not play like one or something like that. I really do not know how you cannot get along with Nellie. He is a talent for sure and the Knicks give up nothing in Malik Rose so for them its a good move. The only small problem I see is taking minutes away from David Lee and Wilson Chandler but D'Antoni can figure that out. D'Antoni was going to move Chandler to the starting SF, when Jeffries returns from his injury.

quote: After toiling in obscurity, struggling to find minutes, while playing for Don Nelson in Golden State for the last five seasons, Mickael Pietrus went to Orlando as a free agent this summer in search of consistent minutes and a chance to win games. With All-Stars Dwight Howard and Rashard Lewis and the winner of the 2008 NBA Most Improved Player Award Hedo Turkoglu already on the roster, Pietrus signed with Orlando following to 2007-08 season with a chance to be a key role player on a Championship contender. "I love playing for the Magic. We have different goals than we did in Golden State," Pietrus said, "which is to get to the championship, and I think we have a great team. For me, just being out there playing the game, coach gives me a lot of confidence and it's all about Coach right now." Pietrus came into the NBA in 2003 as an established star in France and struggled to fit in to Nelson's up-tempo system with the Warriors despite high expectations for the eleventh overall draft pick. http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10668

quote: This afternoon the Charlotte Bobcats waived two players: Andre Brown and Linton Johnson III. A couple of weeks ago this would have raised no eyebbrows. Teams were cutting their rosters down to the required 15 for the start of the regular season. Now, however, it is more than a little suspisious. There has been plenty of trade talk surrounding the Bobcats, who have made all but public overtures to the New Jersey Nets and the Los Angeles Clippers, and are openly shopping Gerald Wallace in their desire to land a true center to play next to Emeka Okafor. Now they've suddenly waived two players, taking their roster down to 13. Sounds like the Bobcats have a taker, and that in the deal they're getting back more players than they're sending out. According to a couple of well-informed sources the Bobcats have been aggressively working the phone lines as they watch their attendance drop in direct proportion to their winning percentage. It sounds like we could see a huge move made by the Bobcats in the next few hours. http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10662 I wonder who's the other team

quote: Originally posted by SmackDaddy:It's always a good thing to have two starting caliber PGs. Injuries and inconsistency dictate that I would rather have Hinrich as a first option compared to Anthony Johnson. If Jameer does prove to play this well consistently, then the Magic always have an intrigueing piece to trade away in Hinrich. 9 million for a backup PG, we'll be better off resigning Turk for the that kind of money.

quote: After toiling in obscurity, struggling to find minutes, while playing for Don Nelson in Golden State for the last five seasons, Mickael Pietrus went to Orlando as a free agent this summer in search of consistent minutes and a chance to win games. With All-Stars Dwight Howard and Rashard Lewis and the winner of the 2008 NBA Most Improved Player Award Hedo Turkoglu already on the roster, Pietrus signed with Orlando following to 2007-08 season with a chance to be a key role player on a Championship contender. "I love playing for the Magic. We have different goals than we did in Golden State," Pietrus said, "which is to get to the championship, and I think we have a great team. For me, just being out there playing the game, coach gives me a lot of confidence and it's all about Coach right now." Pietrus came into the NBA in 2003 as an established star in France and struggled to fit in to Nelson's up-tempo system with the Warriors despite high expectations for the eleventh overall draft pick. http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10668

quote: Will in Wilmington,NC:When will the Magic trade reddick for j.critt.Will the Magic trade Turk before the deadline if so who do you think they might target? Steve Kyler: Welcome in all... I hope the day is treating you well... lets get into it... The Magic are not likely going to trade JJ for JCritt... as much as it seems to fit, that ship has sailed. What I was told several times, and even as early as two weeks ago... Memphis wants two assets for JCritt... Otis is only willing to spend one... Memphis could lower their price, Otis could decide he has a real need... but today, neither of those seem true. The other side is JCritt is not an upgrade - while I love the guy as a person, his game is a lot more Steve Francis like than anyone in Orlando would be comfortable with. On trading Turk... again, I just do not see it happening, there is too much that he is in that locker room. I really wish I could video tape those guys and how they are, and how much of a central figure he is in the system both on the court and off the court... You remove Hedo from this team, I think they fall apart - there just such an interesting "all for one" thing going on in Orlando, you do not mess with that unless the wheels fall off, which they haven't. I am sticking to this... If Orlando has 13-15 wins at the 20 game mark, this teams stays intact all year. quote: Say the Magic are in the same or close to the same spot in the draft this year and Collison is taken already, do you think Tyler Hansbrough would be a good pick? Steve Kyler: Absolutely not... I know experts are in love with his motor, love his competive desire and all of that... Otis would be very foolish to draft Tyler, he would not fit into what the Magic are doing... This year we are partnering with our friends at DraftExpress on Player Rankings for the draft, and our first Mock Draft is up (/the_draft/FullMockDraft.asp) - we have Orlando selecting Jordan Hill - Junior from Arizona, we also have Samardo Samuels from Louisville on the board around Orlando... I also like Tony Woods from Wake Forest - should be in their reach too. quote: Doc Vince in Manila, Philippines:What's your take if jj redick is traded for either chris quin (miami) or marcus williams (warriors) Steve Kyler: I think neither player makes Orlando a better team... but JJ is also in the dented can bin... he looked solid last night. I think if Stan can find a few more games like that out of JJ is value will go up... then the names get better... If you haven't seen Marcus Williams play this year, its brutal.... again great guy, just not getting it done for the Warriors. http://www.hoopsworld.com/Chat.asp?CHAT_TOPICS_ID=58

quote: This afternoon the Charlotte Bobcats waived two players: Andre Brown and Linton Johnson III. A couple of weeks ago this would have raised no eyebbrows. Teams were cutting their rosters down to the required 15 for the start of the regular season. Now, however, it is more than a little suspisious. There has been plenty of trade talk surrounding the Bobcats, who have made all but public overtures to the New Jersey Nets and the Los Angeles Clippers, and are openly shopping Gerald Wallace in their desire to land a true center to play next to Emeka Okafor. Now they've suddenly waived two players, taking their roster down to 13. Sounds like the Bobcats have a taker, and that in the deal they're getting back more players than they're sending out. According to a couple of well-informed sources the Bobcats have been aggressively working the phone lines as they watch their attendance drop in direct proportion to their winning percentage. It sounds like we could see a huge move made by the Bobcats in the next few hours. http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10662 I wonder who's the other team

quote: Originally posted by emory889:The Hansbrough comment surprises me. He seems like a perfect fit for our squad. Me too, but I think Otis will go PG, since it's a pretty deep position in the 09 class.

You guys ran BJ off the board. Now he want give us his "inside information"...LOL On a more serious note, it was good to see Redick get his shine on last night. I mean for a moment there, he looked like he was back at Duke.

quote: Originally posted by echo4papa: quote: Originally posted by ball junkie: quote: Originally posted by echo4papa:You don't have to to give him any attention, yet you feed the JJ machine just as much, if not more so, than anyone else here. Not that I care, mind you, just find it funny that you would comment on the attention JJ gets. Interesting that you are being quite negative with me lately...care to comment? Mommy, Mr BallJunkie is breaking the forum rules by hijacking his own thread. Could you please deal with it. Seriously. LOL

quote: Originally posted by ball junkie:Most of the time I'm on board with Kyler's stuff but I disagree with him on his stance with Crit/Steve Francis comparison. I think Crit can be more of a distributor than Francis if given time...Crit played point guard in college whereas Francis was one of those tweener guards(don't know if they are a point or shooting guard). Besides...don't we need a back-up point guard that can get after it defensively and break down defenses? With all the crticism Anthony Johnson gets on this board about his lack of athleticism, Crit is a superb athlete! I might add he is 6'5. Interesting though...it could still possibly get done...Memphis is a woeful 3-point shooting team. I think Memphis want to package Critt in a deal. I just don't see them sending Critt out in a trade by himself.

quote: Will in Wilmington,NC:When will the Magic trade reddick for j.critt.Will the Magic trade Turk before the deadline if so who do you think they might target? Steve Kyler: Welcome in all... I hope the day is treating you well... lets get into it... The Magic are not likely going to trade JJ for JCritt... as much as it seems to fit, that ship has sailed. What I was told several times, and even as early as two weeks ago... Memphis wants two assets for JCritt... Otis is only willing to spend one... Memphis could lower their price, Otis could decide he has a real need... but today, neither of those seem true. The other side is JCritt is not an upgrade - while I love the guy as a person, his game is a lot more Steve Francis like than anyone in Orlando would be comfortable with. On trading Turk... again, I just do not see it happening, there is too much that he is in that locker room. I really wish I could video tape those guys and how they are, and how much of a central figure he is in the system both on the court and off the court... You remove Hedo from this team, I think they fall apart - there just such an interesting "all for one" thing going on in Orlando, you do not mess with that unless the wheels fall off, which they haven't. I am sticking to this... If Orlando has 13-15 wins at the 20 game mark, this teams stays intact all year. quote: Say the Magic are in the same or close to the same spot in the draft this year and Collison is taken already, do you think Tyler Hansbrough would be a good pick? Steve Kyler: Absolutely not... I know experts are in love with his motor, love his competive desire and all of that... Otis would be very foolish to draft Tyler, he would not fit into what the Magic are doing... This year we are partnering with our friends at DraftExpress on Player Rankings for the draft, and our first Mock Draft is up (/the_draft/FullMockDraft.asp) - we have Orlando selecting Jordan Hill - Junior from Arizona, we also have Samardo Samuels from Louisville on the board around Orlando... I also like Tony Woods from Wake Forest - should be in their reach too. quote: Doc Vince in Manila, Philippines:What's your take if jj redick is traded for either chris quin (miami) or marcus williams (warriors) Steve Kyler: I think neither player makes Orlando a better team... but JJ is also in the dented can bin... he looked solid last night. I think if Stan can find a few more games like that out of JJ is value will go up... then the names get better... If you haven't seen Marcus Williams play this year, its brutal.... again great guy, just not getting it done for the Warriors. http://www.hoopsworld.com/Chat.asp?CHAT_TOPICS_ID=58

quote: I do want to look for opportunities to play J.J. I don't want J.J. get buried down there because he can help us," Van Gundy said. "If a guy (like Redick) hits a slump they have to work through it. (Redick) is not a good shooter, he's a great shooter. He's intelligent and has to try to avoid pressing and feeling he has to score X-number of points or make X-number of shots. What I want to see him do is help our offense operate more efficiently." http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20081119/SPORTS16/811190323/1002/SPORTS It look like SVG is trying to use Redick, as a matchup player.

quote: Last week Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard, commonly known as Superman after he wowed the All-Star crowd in New Orleans with his high-flying slam dunk routine, recorded his first career triple-double. Playing against the front court challenged Oklahoma City Thunder, Howard thundered down 30 points, 19 rebounds, and 10 blocks in a 109-92 Magic win. After the game Thunder head coach PJ Carlesimo couldn't help himself. The man who was an assistant under Gregg Popovich watching Tim Duncan win championships called Howard the best big man in the NBA, one of the best players on the planet, and even suggested that he might be the best big man ever. "That's high praise, but he certainly has the ability to be one of the best ever," Magic coach Stan Van Gundy told HOOPSWORLD. "That's a goal that he's working toward and we've told him since we walked in on day one that the standard we want to hold him to is to be the best player in the league. That's obviously a very high standard and we can always find things wrong to make him get better, but Dwight's attitude, particularly this year, has been that he wants to get better and wants to reach that level and wants to be pushed on the things that he's not doing well. He's off to a great start. I'm sure there will be challenges ahead, people will play him a lot of different ways, but he's maturing and he has more poise this season." "I guess you could say he's actually Superman out there," adds Rashard Lewis, who grew up in Houston idolizing Hakeem Olajuwon. "He gave a tremendous effort out on the defensive end that game. He was crawling up the paint getting blocks. I think he had seventy or eighty percent of the blocked shots before half time. Obviously, rebounding the ball well and scoring with the ball well, there was nothing out there that he didn't do. He literally carried us to that win. That's why we had such a big lead early; they just couldn't get any points in the paint. They aren't a very good jump shooting team and they couldn't get a layup because Dwight was there to contest their shot." http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10648

quote: Originally posted by davcivic: quote: Originally posted by jack l j:just wondering but if jj gets traded who will be next to assinate with this useless bickering? I think the next target will be Fran if he comes over.... Or whoever we pick next year that was a star in college but might struggle in the NBA... If none of those happen, its going to be Nelson. I think Otis got the hang of the draft now.

quote: Originally posted by EnFuego:Did he sign a new one? I thought his contract was up next year so the buyout would be less. Nah, his contract is up next year.

quote: Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16: quote: Originally posted by truth393:The Cavs can offer LeBron an max deal at $133 million, and the most any other team can offer is $102 million. I don't see him walking away from 30 million dollars. Unless he can get that 30 mill many times over playing in the NY market. Lebron has been quoted as saying that he wants to be pro sports first billionaire. 30 mill is a drop in the bucket when that is your goal. I'm surprised by that Melo move DOM. I would imagine that Denver needs to rebuild soon so you may see him moved as well. quote: "Unless Nike steps up with some massive, eight-figure, Michael-Jordan-equity-type of deal to have him in New York, LeBron is not going to make more money there," said Chicago-based sports business consultant Marc Ganis. "And in this economic climate, we don't know where Nike will be [in 2010]. "Another $2 million a year from Sprite isn't going to make a difference when the CBA [collective-bargaining agreement] will allow the Cavaliers to pay him more [$133 million to $102 million] than any other team. And he gets a tremendous amount of attention already in Cleveland." http://www.nypost.com/seven/11192008/sports/nets/nets_n...y__either_139512.htm