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Dan Savage is a sports writer? I thought he was just part-time admin here. Hmmm???

Out of curiosity, does anybody else see a team other than NO, WAS, or PHI that would want VC's expiring contract now? Obviously as we get closer to the deadline a few teams that look like contenders now may be willing to sell off pieces for expiring dollars. But as things stand at this moment. it looks like VC for Paul with additional throw ins, VC for Arenas, and VC for Iggy and Nocioni might be the only deals out there. I am mentioning this in this thread because I thought it pertained to the argument that is being made that it isn't the worst thing in the world if we keep Jameer and don't get Paul. But then it got me thinking, what is out there to obtain with VC's expiring, and it doesn't look like much at this moment.

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Personally, I'm not sure why NO is balking at trading away CP3. 1) They have his replacement already inked for 3 more years at 1.5mil, a drastic savings on Paul's current contract. 2) If Paul remains with NO he only hurts Collison's development. 3) If Paul plays like anything other than the #1 PG in the league or has any additional injury setbacks this year it only hurts his trade value. 4) That organization is in financial ruin and with the current roster doesn't stand a chance to compete for a title. 5) They have several vets with trade value that could return multiple prospects/draft picks. 6) If a team is even remotely considering that it might be time to rebuild, and their marquee player is whining that he wants out, then it IS time to rebuild.

quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: Starters: Paul-JJ-Q-Lewis-Dwight Bench: Duhon-Posey-Posey-Okafor-Okafor maybe if we keep pietrus thats 9 Then have Stanley Robinson, Minimum third pg, minimum sf/sf, minimum PF (or Anderson if we keep him), minimum C. Paul/Duhon JJ/Q Shard/Posey RA/Shard Dwight/Okafor

quote: Originally posted by Jareth Cutestory: Also, CP3 was injured much of the year. Isn't it silly to use his decreased stats as evidence? No, because that was the point of the original question. Which was - What if Chris Paul is no longer the dynamic, super specimen he was during the first 4 years of his career, and instead is now prone to injury and a step slower?

quote: Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes: But what's a 5-6 PG in the league to you? I mean, how far would Paul's game have to drop in order to be below Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, etc? According to last year's stats: CP3 - 18.7ppg, 10.7ast, 4.2reb, 2.1stl Rose - 20.8ppg, 6.0ast, 3.8reb, .8stl Westbrook - 16.1ppg, 8.0apg, 4.9reb, 1.3stl Rondo - 13.7ppg, 9.8ast, 4.4reb, 2.3stl 2009 PER: CP3 - 30.04 Rose - 16.05 Westbrook - 15.20 Rondo - 18.90 2010 PER: CP3 - 23.74 (21% decline) Rose - 18.69 (16% increase) Westbrook - 17.9 (18% increase) Rondo - 19.18 (2% increase) Trending to 2011: CP3 - 18.76 Rose - 21.68 Westbrook - 21.12 Rondo - 19.56 Obviously it is not quite that easy. CP3 could experience a resurgence. He could find himself in a more competitive situation, on a better team, with better coaching and components around him. The other three players could experience injury setbacks, etc. But regardless, I sure don't think it's a tremendous stretch to hypothesize that any one of the three best young PGs in the league could very soon overtake Paul as the best PG in the league.

Anybody else concerned that Paul might not be the player he once was due to his knee? Would you be satisfied trading for Paul if, due to the injury, he was only a top 5-6 PG in the league?

quote: Originally posted by TheRevTy: People seem to forget that this was being floated around WELL before any media picked it up. (Also want to give props to SmackDaddy, who was another person talking about this at the trade deadline). Any way to resurrect my comments from that thread? I'm sure they still apply.

quote: Originally posted by GhostAnime: you guys are forgetting that this is the eastern conference. paul + stoudemire would be enough to at least make the playoffs here. These are the same two guys that have combined to play in 78% of a full schedule for the last five years, right? At that rate, they would each play 64 games next year. What does NY's W-L record look like with both Paul & Stat missing 18 games each?

quote: Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes: quote: Originally posted by SmackDaddy: I'm still having trouble figuring out how the heck NY gets Paul. Can somebody give a somewhat decent trade proposal to consider from NY if I'm Demps? http://orlandomagiczone.com/ev...=382105788#382105788 http://games.espn.go.com/nba/t...hine?tradeId=2cr3saw I think it's terrible, mainly because the Knicks lose nearly their entire team only to barely make it in the playoffs and eventually lose Paul to FA (once he realizes that team sucked) An 11 player trade where NY strips their entire roster, and NO takes THE SAME Eddy Curry that has been untradeable for the last two seasons plus? I swear I said "somewhat decent".

I'm still having trouble figuring out how the heck NY gets Paul. Can somebody give a somewhat decent trade proposal to consider from NY if I'm Demps?

ORL free agents are cursed if Otis doesn't want them.

quote: Originally posted by ezzzp: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by ezzzp: quote: Originally posted by Miller4Prez64: quote: Originally posted by ezzzp: quote: Originally posted by Miller4Prez64: Ezzp, there is no way the Knicks trade their entire roster other than Amare for CP3. I'm not sure the Hornets want to take on so many players either... NOLA would have only 12 players under contract (nearly all expiring or 2yr deals) and all of those players are very tradable assets that are young, cheap and with solid upside. They would essentially have an exciting young team with all the cap flexibility and assets needed so that they could trade for or acquire any free agent available to them. The players they get are better than draft picks as they all are on cheap 1-2 yr contracts plus they've already proven to be quality NBA level players some w/very big upside potential. You're ignoring the fact that the Knicks are trading away their entire roster....there is some people who believe they don't even want to trade Gallinari. The Knicks do it because it gives them a really solid core and position themselves to make a serious run at Carmelo...since they would be over cap they would have MLE & BAE + min...even if what they got wasn't super high quality the addition of Chris Paul would create a huge amount of excitement in NYC especially after the decision. MSG would be sold out every night. In addition they get the perfect complementary big to Stoudemire. Paul/Felton _____/______ _____/Posey Stoudemire/ Okafor/Mozgov they couldn't make a serious run at carmelo. The big three works in miami because they all took pay cuts. Paul and Amar'e make too much money. Carmelo would have to take something like 12 million a year to make it work. To make a run at carmelo they would have to be under the cap. they wouldn't have any exceptions. You don't think they could get rid of Posey's $8M expiring contract to get under. All they have to do is buy it out/move it for pennies on the dollar to get under the cap - the same thing they (and Miami) did the past 2 years. For this year all they have to do is sign more 1 yr contracts the same as they have the past 2 years to fill their roster. Let's say they can't get Carmelo, you don't think that if the Knicks have a chance of getting Paul there not going to get him cause they don't want to risk not getting Carmelo? Seriously?!...Chris Paul would be a huge acquisition for the Knicks? C'mon, we want the Magic to trade anyone not named Dwight including his best friend and team captain plus take on two ridiculous contracts at positions that we don't necessarily need to fill for CP3. Yet you can't see the NY Knicks organization trading away 5-6 contracts which they structured specifically for that type of acquisition . I want CP3 just like the rest but its pretty clear that the Knicks are the obvious best choice for NOLA and Paul. What are the Knicks trading away to get Paul, Okafor & Posey?????????

Can somebody please explain what NY has to offer? A TE and future picks???

FYI, the Wizards have two first round picks next year - their pick and CLE's pick. Anybody think CLE will be a playoff team without Lebron?

quote: Originally posted by ThisIsTheYear: quote: Originally posted by SmackDaddy: Holy smokes. Arenas has played 47 games combined the last 3 seasons. Well, if healthy he should be fresh. Comparisons: Zero - 18,170 career minutes Wade - 20,415 career minutes Joe Johnson - 27454 career minutes VC - 33837 career minutes Ray Allen - 41,910 career minutes KJobe - 45,193 career minutes Arenas may not have played as many minutes as those guys, but he still had to surgically repair a torn MCL. Shouldn't a significant injury like that be factored into an argument that determines the potential mileage of a player? It should, but I was only providing one side of the argument.

Holy smokes. Arenas has played 47 games combined the last 3 seasons. Well, if healthy he should be fresh. Comparisons: Zero - 18,170 career minutes Wade - 20,415 career minutes Joe Johnson - 27454 career minutes VC - 33837 career minutes Ray Allen - 41,910 career minutes KJobe - 45,193 career minutes

quote: Originally posted by murphy13: Arenas has never played SG in the NBA. Gotta disagree here Murphy. While I would like to see Arenas run the point here, rather than play the 2 (if we were to get him), in 06-07 Gil played 39.8mpg and his backup Antonio Daniels played 22mpg. 61.8mpg combined for two guys that only play the point is awfully tough for me to comprehend unless Gil slid over to the 2. 05-06 Gil 42.3mpg, Daniels 28.5mpg = 70.8mpg And the list goes on.

Yep. CJ Watson was dealt for a 2nd round pick (and he's making appx the same money as Duhon).

quote: Originally posted by VCdaCarter: LMAOOOOOOOO I'm glad someone agrees with me. He's so full of ****, it stinks. For the record, I agree with you on very little else.

quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: yes, because I (or other mods) go tell everyone to post pictures. You certainly don't prohibit it, or at the very least discourage it.

quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by SmackDaddy: quote: Originally posted by MagicDelight: This is the internet though, let's not take it too seriously. The problem is, it's just too simple to classify this as the "internet" and somehow justify that anything goes as a result. This is not Myspace, Facebook, Twitter, etc. This is a basketball discussion forum, and thus should function as one (at least the majority of the time). At present, it is my opinion that basketball discussion has become the enslaved minority around here for some time now. If I were to head down to my local basketball court and play hopscotch or draw rainbows at center court with sidewalk chalk while a game was ongoing, any bets what the outcome of that scenario would be? All I'm asking for here is that the kids that would rather ride the merry go round stay the heck off the court while the grownups are playing ball. And for those that continue to say "stop complaining and talk hoops then". Ever stop to think that there have been 10-15-20-30-40 attempts to talk hoops that have been interrupted and subsequently bludgeoned by page after page after unrelenting page of murderous crap? you do realize we went back to talking about basketball, then you decided to post this. You're such a smug little son of a b1tch. Are there any other mods that participate on this board anymore? Why not address the point while sitting on your high horse? And, Nope. Sure didn't. I responded to the last page that I had open on my computer before I left it sitting idle for the last two hours. Then I hit refresh and responded to a post on that page without realizing that there were 3-4 additional pages since then.

quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: so we good to get rid of this thread now? everybody done? That would be great. Then this thread would go the way that so many before it have. 1) New thread started with legit discussion points. 2) Basketball discussion takes place for nearly 2hours with a sprinkle of IBTL's and funny pics. 3) When the usual suspects finally decide they no longer enjoy discourse on the subject (with an attention span of roughly 3 hours this doesn't take long), the emoticons, gifs, and typical sarcasm ensue with irregularity. 4) Those people that missed the first two hours of discussion contribute a random on topic post that is inevitably ignored due to being drowned out by the annoying static. 5) THE ANNOYING STATIC ENGULFS THE THREAD AND THE FIVE SENSES OF ANYBODY TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF THIS VOMIT. 6) BIG BAD MOD FINALLY GETS OFF HIS AZZ AND CLOSES THREAD, LEADING HIS PACK OF PIRANHAS TO THE NEXT UNEXPECTING VICTIM THAT IS NAIVE ENOUGH TO WADE INTO THE SHALLOW WATERS OF BASKETBALL DISCUSSION.

quote: Originally posted by MagicDelight: This is the internet though, let's not take it too seriously. The problem is, it's just too simple to classify this as the "internet" and somehow justify that anything goes as a result. This is not Myspace, Facebook, Twitter, etc. This is a basketball discussion forum, and thus should function as one (at least the majority of the time). At present, it is my opinion that basketball discussion has become the enslaved minority around here for some time now. If I were to head down to my local basketball court and play hopscotch or draw rainbows at center court with sidewalk chalk while a game was ongoing, any bets what the outcome of that scenario would be? All I'm asking for here is that the kids that would rather ride the merry go round stay the heck off the court while the grownups are playing ball. And for those that continue to say "stop complaining and talk hoops then". Ever stop to think that there have been 10-15-20-30-40 attempts to talk hoops that have been interrupted and subsequently bludgeoned by page after page after unrelenting page of murderous crap?