Rodey

quote: Originally posted by bknbronco:And defense ALWAYS matters period Try telling that to 95% of the teams in the NBA.

quote: Originally posted by ball junkie:I'll give J.J. credit for shooting the ball well tonight but I hope you guys realize that when we had a chance to get a stop late in the game to get a possession and a chance to tie the game Redick didn't rotate correctly and we gave up a layup. Goukas made note of it. Redick also had a big part in the Magic even getting back into the game. A nice three somewhat in Amare's face and a nice drive and dish to Turkoglu for three before that.

Maybe it's just because I love JJ, but if Shard would have made an extra pass to the corner where JJ was camped out, Redick would have drilled that. Especially with Nash guarding him.

quote: Originally posted by Mr Charisma: quote: Originally posted by Rodey: quote: Originally posted by SmackDaddy: quote: Originally posted by Rodey:In '05 their NC RPI was 4 and their NC SOS was 46. In '04 their NC RPI was 4 and their NC SOS was 24 In '03 their NC RPI was 18 and their NC SOS was 108 In '02 their NC RPI was 2 and their NC SOS was 59 Oh Brother! One of the top 10 NCAA programs in the country every year, has a Non-Conference strength of schedule of 53, 59, 24 & 108, and you think that's tough? I'm glad you think you know more about college basketball than everybody else (which you don't), but this is an NBA board. This is the pros. This is where the big boys play. Maybe both you and JJ need to come to the very obvious realization, that this isn't about frat parties & Cameron Crazies anymore. I'm glad you think you're the God Almighty of basketball knowledge, because you aren't. And yes, those numbers are pretty solid for a program that is consistently one of the best. Do some research, teams like UConn constantly have horrible non-conference schedules. I'm done with this board, because *******s like you come here and think you know everything about everything. It's obvious by your 3000+ posts that you have nothing better to do with your time than come here and act like Stephen A. Smith. And I will go back to my frat parties. Thank you. Oh, don't forget to take JJ with you. But carry him carefully. He's very fragile. Just kidding, guy. Are you going to pout because you can't get hardly anyone to agree with you? What do you think these boards are for? The sharing of opposing positions is the whole point. If you want to stop posting on this subject with the concept of "agree to disagree", fine. Honestly, I have serious doubts that you are a Magic fan anyway. You appear to be just a Duke and JJ groupie. There are plenty of people here and I'm sure there are plenty of other NBA fans who agree with me and I'm sure there are plenty who agree with you. The jury is still out on Redick, there's no verdict in. Hell, I'm sure they're plenty of analysts who still think Redick could be a good player in this league. Likewise, I'm sure there are plenty who agree with you. Point is, this convo is going nowhere anytime soon. I posted facts about Redick that are factual and so did you. I'm not a hardcore Magic fan, you're right. I'm a fan of Redick and that's why I follow the Magic.

quote: Originally posted by SmackDaddy: quote: Originally posted by Rodey:In '05 their NC RPI was 4 and their NC SOS was 46. In '04 their NC RPI was 4 and their NC SOS was 24 In '03 their NC RPI was 18 and their NC SOS was 108 In '02 their NC RPI was 2 and their NC SOS was 59 Oh Brother! One of the top 10 NCAA programs in the country every year, has a Non-Conference strength of schedule of 53, 59, 24 & 108, and you think that's tough? I'm glad you think you know more about college basketball than everybody else (which you don't), but this is an NBA board. This is the pros. This is where the big boys play. Maybe both you and JJ need to come to the very obvious realization, that this isn't about frat parties & Cameron Crazies anymore. I'm glad you think you're the God Almighty of basketball knowledge, because you aren't. And yes, those numbers are pretty solid for a program that is consistently one of the best. Do some research, teams like UConn constantly have horrible non-conference schedules. I'm done with this board, because *******s like you come here and think you know everything about everything. It's obvious by your 3000+ posts that you have nothing better to do with your time than come here and act like Stephen A. Smith. And I will go back to my frat parties. Thank you.

quote: Originally posted by SmackDaddy: quote: Originally posted by Rodey: I completely disagree with your thoughts on padding early schedules, in particular, at Duke. Coach K always puts together a preseason schedule that is challenging. Ha! Are you serious? JJ's senior year, Duke opened the season by playing Boston Univ (not BC, Boston University), Seton Hall, Davidson, & Drexel, which Duke defeated by an average of 27.25 points. Not exactly competitive. FYI, in JJ's freshman year they opened by playing against Army, Davidson, Dayton & Fairfield. His sophomore season the opened by playing Detroit, Pacific, Liberty, & Portland. His junior year, they played Tenn. Martin, Davidson, UNC Gboro, & Toledo. Spare me & the rest of the board with your biased, distorted views of reality. Facts are facts no matter how much you choose to dispute & ignore them. Drexel was a good team Redick's senior year and has continued to be a good mid-major sleeper that knocks good teams off every year. You'd know that if you watched college basketball. I see you forgot to mention Memphis (granted that was in the Preseason NIT or Coaches vs. Cancer Classic) and the game against a very good Texas team during his senior year. You may think my view are biased and distorted, but when it comes to college basketball, I guarantee my knowledge far surpasses yours. If you knew anything about college basketball, you'd know that Duke's non-conference schedule is usually pretty decent compared to other big name programs. In '05 their NC RPI was 4 and their NC SOS was 46. In '04 their NC RPI was 4 and their NC SOS was 24 In '03 their NC RPI was 18 and their NC SOS was 108 In '02 their NC RPI was 2 and their NC SOS was 59 The only year you have a legitimate case was in 2003 when their non-conference strength of schedule was pretty poor. All of the other years it was pretty solid. The only perennial powerhouses I know that schedule better non-conference games are Kansas and Arizona, who usually play excellent NC schedules.

Yeah, I knew that Smack Daddy had referenced those guys I mentioned in my second paragraph and not you. I'm just used to quoting everything on message boards and then going into all previous posts I want to comment on, so that wasn't directed at you.

quote: Originally posted by Mr Charisma: quote: Originally posted by bravlady:Good points! Can't prove what he can or can't do if he doesn't get playing time. Well then let's just make Dwight, Rashard and Hedo sit out a few weeks while we give JJ, Augustine, and Gortat 40 minutes a game so that we can find out if they can play. Heck let's bring back Kruger and Martin to give them some time, too. I've started realizing that many JJ fans are actually fans of college basketball, not the NBA, and they expect the college methodologies to be followed in the NBA. Sorry, folks, it doesn't work that way. At schools like Duke, NC, Kansas, UCLA, etc., when they bring in big high school recruits, they start playing them immediately because they know they may only have that player for a year or two before he goes pro. Also, they pad their early season schedules with patsies so that they can give their young players lots of playing time without being concerned about losing the game. This, bravlady and gentlemen, is the NBA. There are no "gimme" games. If you want playing time, you have to take advantage of every opportunity to prove you deserve playing time. In the preseason, both JJ and Bogans were given plenty of playing time, particulary with Dooling and Ariza being out for so long. Bogans buried JJ during the preseason. It wasn't even close. I've seen the sentiment expressed that his fans wish the Magic would trade him. And THAT we can agree on. Don't categorize me as a strictly "college basketball" fan. I've been around the game my entire life. I follow the NBA and NCAA religiously, so I'm confident I know plenty about both leagues. I completely disagree with your thoughts on padding early schedules, in particular, at Duke. Coach K always puts together a preseason schedule that is challenging and with tournaments like the Big Ten/ACC Challenge, Coaches vs. Cancer Classic and the Preseason NIT, there's not many fluff games in there. As far as there not being any "gimme" games in the NBA....please. If a team starts out winless through their first 5 games, that team isn't done for the season. If anything, early season NBA games are much more meaningless and fluff than early season NCAA games. NCAA games are much more meaningful and carry much more weight than NBA games. In the NBA you can make the playoffs with a losing record. You can't pull off an NCAA Tournament appearance with a losing record. As far as the guys I mentioned being second string in the NBADL, what's your point? All the guys I mentioned struggle with their offensive skills. That's not something you can do if you want to be in the NBA. Whether you want to admit it or not, being a good offensive player in the NBA is going to matter more than being a good defender. Noel, Terry, Tucker, Brown and McCants are all very athletic and all very good defensively. However, there's a trend in all of them with the exception of McCants...they're not good offensively. That's the reason they're not successful in the league, not because they aren't good defensively. So I don't quite understand your point there. Also, if you have to earn your minutes, why is Pat Garrity playing 15 minutes a game? What did Garrity do in the preseason or in these first three games to prove he's worthy of 15 minutes a game? Sure, he shot fairly well in the preseason, but so did Redick. Why's Garrity getting 15 and Redick getting 6.5? Redick is better than Pat Garrity in every single aspect of the game. And please don't try telling me that Pat Garrity gets minutes because he's a big body and is in the game for rebounding. If a guy is 6'9" and only hauling in 1.3 rpg in 15 minutes, he's not much of a rebounder.

Oh and what you failed to mention about the Memphis game was that not only did they throw a lot of double teams at him with their extremely athletic guards, but that Duke primarily looked to the post the whole game. Redick only took 9 shots. You can credit that to Carney somewhat, but Redick is going to get his shots, even against the most athletic defenders. That was Shelden Williams' game from the start, due to Memphis' lack of bigs. As for the Temple game, he was just off that night. If you watched the game, you would see that he had plenty of open looks but he just wasn't hitting them. That and Collins did play great defense. You also fail to mention the 35 Redick put up against North Carolina with two very athletic and very good defensive players in David Noel and Rashawn Terry. Or how about the 41 he put up in a losing effort against Georgetown and their long, athletic defenders? You talk about players who are "NBA ready." When you're long and athletic, you're usually good defensively. I don't know what you consider "NBA ready" but both Terry and Noel were very good players, especially on the defensive end and Georgetown was stacked with great athletic defenders in 2005. And there's always the 29 he put up against Shannon Brown in the 04-05 season and the 18 on McCants in that same season. Rex Chapman, one guy off the top of my head who wasn't very athletic, couldn't really put the ball on the floor, couldn't really create his own shot, yet, managed to have a very nice NBA career. Give it time. Redick will have a solid NBA career. It takes time for some. I just can't wait for the day Redick gets solid playing time, proves you wrong and I can rub it all over your face. It would just be so satisfying. Oh and guys in the NBA do just get playing time. Ask Ervin Johnson, Michael Ruffin, Pat Garrity and Bo Outlaw. All guys who were never very good and at one point or another, got significant playing time without doing much at all.

I'm quite aware who JJ played at while with Duke. I'm a hardcore Duke fan and watched literally all but a handful of Redick's college games. He had no trouble creating his shot in his 41 point game against Texas in which he made P.J. Tucker look silly a few times. Tucker was very athletic, and big if you know him. I can tell you more about Redick's career at Duke than you care to know.

I would love for Orlando to trade Redick to somewhere where he could get playing time. Because I'm confident that Redick can have a solid career, in which he averages around 14 a game, given ample playing time. Brian Hill and SVG not playing Redick certainly does not help your argument. You can list his deficiences all you want, but until he's given a real chance to showcase his skills, they mean nothing. If that time comes where he gets good playing time, with the Magic or somewhere else and he still struggles, I'll be the first to say 'Hey, I love the guy, but he wasn't made for the NBA.' Until that day comes, I'll continue defending him. There is a reason why he was drafted 11th and there is a reason why analysts loved Orlando taking him there and there is a reason why they think he could thrive with the Magic. And to be honest, their opinions on Redick are much more valid than ours. How I would love to see Redick go to the Suns. He would thrive in that offense so much.

I know that Redick had surgery on his back before the draft. Now I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure that back spasms and herniated discs are not related. Back spasms are completely muscle related and are common amongst athletes. They're not very serious. As for his herniated disc, he no longer has a herniated disc, he had it repaired, that's what the surgery was for.

I guess we can make assumptions of when Redick was in those games, but unless we go back and watch tape, neither of us knows. I do recall, in one of the San Antonio games, Redick did most of his damage in the first half, which means he was doing his damage against the likes of Finley or Ginobli. Also, you make it sound like 11.71 and 13.7 are huge leads, which, in the NBA, they are not. I don't know many NBA teams that put in their scrubs when they're up by 11, unless it's under a minute left in the game. I also don't know how many teams consider a 13 point lead safe, unless it's late in the 4th quarter. Remember, these are games in which Redick played 20+ minutes. If we're going by your theory, that would have to mean either A) The Magic were winning big the entire game or B) The Magic were losing big the entire game and what happened during that time was that they either came back a bit and made it closer or the other team pulled away more. Because when you're winning by 13, I don't know too many coaches that would put scrubs in for 20 minutes and when you're losing by 11, I don't know how many coaches would put scrubs in for 20 minutes. Both of those margins of victory are very easy to close in a quick time, especially in the NBA. As far as shooting percentages go. I tend to throw them away for all players last year. It's really not fair to judge shooting percentages from last year, due to the ball changes. I don't know about you, but I've played basketball my entire life and when you're used to playing with one type of ball and then play with another, it throws your shot off a bit. So players had to adjust to Stern's new ball and just as they were getting used to it, he decides to go back to the old ball.

I love how all you guys are trying to convince yourselves that Keith Bogans is actually a good player. There's a reason he's already been with three different teams in his five years in the league...because he's nothing more than a bench player. I guess if you want 9 ppg out of your starting shooting guard, Bogans is your guy. If you want 14-16 a game, Redick is your guy. And don't act like Bogans' defense is so spectacular. I'm pretty sure I've never seen this guy on any All-Defensive teams. It's at best, slightly above average.

quote: Originally posted by RoBo2002: quote: Originally posted by Rodey:Wow, a lot of overreaction to back spasms. There's a history to these back spasms. No one is jumping the gun here, it is now confirmed that this is a long term injury that can be something to seriously hurt his young career. He is still in his rookie contract and now has gone out with back spasms twice... thats not good at all for JJ. Redick has had one back injury prior to this, I would hardly call that having a history. Back spasms are not serious. They're not going to keep you out for a long period of time and they aren't going to end your career. Anyone who has played basketball as long as a guy like Redick is going to run into these kinds of things once and awhile. He was healthy his whole career at Duke. Now, he gets a little banged up and it's the end of the world? Relax.