ironman

Fearless! Great player...

We have to support and love our team. No reason to panic. We defenetly have to make some small adjustments and we will. Lets get ready for sunday. Go Magic!

Not intimidated by any racism... Not me! As far as searching for your posts... You really are dumb I wouldn't waste my time like that. Edit Language

I don't have any problems with Diener. TD played around 49 games last season (If am not wrong) and he numbers were about the same. Now, I honestly do not think that him playing this late in the season will make that much of a difference.

Hey Genius! Carlos was given a good op with this team. Nobody should argue that fact. But what we have seen in the past couple of games with JN is something we should have known 2 months ago. He is not playing on his natural position. I am not comparing CA with JN. They are very different players. I still believe that CA is the best PG on this team.

quote: Originally posted by emory889: quote: Diener has been an irrelevant player for this team. Why do you even waste time analyzing his talent? You are better off defending Jameer's inability to become a Point guard (like you have done in many previous occasions). You guys need to star assuming responsabilities for what you've said in the past in this forum and stop projecting everything on those fans who might thing that Arroyo is a better option as PG for this team. I have??? I seem to recall saying for the past several months that Jameer has played terrible. Unless you can produce a post I made in the past couple of months where I praised Jameers play for the season (not one individual game) I suggest you shut your mouth. I would know what I've posted alot better than you. Hey My moth is shut. I am using my hands and a CPU keyboard to answer your tantrums. Edit Language

quote: Originally posted by Kberto:People like you always complain that Jameer isn't a real pg and he takes to many shots and that we don't need him doing that. So when someone like me suggests we play a guy that looks to pass first and shoot second you still have a problem because you want ARROYO to play all 48 mins. Again, Let's talk real issues...

quote: Originally posted by The Dude Abides: quote: Diener has been an irrelevant player for this team. Why do you even waste time analyzing his talent? You are better off defending Jameer's inability to become a Point guard (like you have done in many previous occasions). You guys need to star assuming responsabilities for what you've said in the past in this forum and stop projecting everything on those fans who might thing that Arroyo is a better option as PG for this team. Oh..I get it.You want people to be held accountable for there prior posts....hmmm..... Like on Jan 19th when you said quote: Originally posted by ironman:The discussion should not be about Carlos nor Travis. The real discussion should be about Brian Hill. Why is your regular PG(Nelson) only averaging 29 mpg? If Carlos (2nd PG) is not producing the logical option should be to exteden Jameer's min. After all Arenas played 41 mins on last night game. Carlos hasnt, wont and cant produce...So Jameer should get more minutes???? yet you seem to think that Carlos deserves more now - even though you made it clear that he should recieve less time if he didnt produce... Go crawl back in your hole, you hypocritical Fan-royo. seems the Pot is calling the kettle black on this one. For JN to be a better PG than CA, he has to be a PG first and he is no PG. Had JN playing minutes been increased back when I wrote that, he would have been exposed for what he is. JN is nothing but a 5'10" shooting guard. Now, I would have also expected for CA to be given the same op. And yes TRAGICALLY I am a Fan - rroyo.

quote: Originally posted by Kberto:I wish Diener was our starter. He's a pass first guard that doesn't hesitate to make the extra pass or swing the ball. Also, his outside shooting spreads the floor, which would help eleviate some of Dwights double and triple teams. Unfortunately, it's to late now to start him, but I wouldn't mind seeing him get about 7-8 mins a game to see if he can help. Arroyo fans always want to talk about how Carlos never gets a chance to prove himself. Diener is the definition of that. He got back up duties for a handful of games and was benched without even being notified. It really sickens me how this orginization lets young talent rot. I would hate to see Diener leave in the offseason, but he deserves to be with a team that respsects his ablities on the court. Dude, You always have to bring Carlos and his fans! I tell you what... I am going to help you here a little bit. I got really sad when read your heart breaking post. TD is averaging 3.8 points in 11 mpg. If we use him as you sugget 7 to 8 min, statistically he should be contributing with maybe around 2 points per game. As you can see not enough. Now, let's stop crying and lets talk about the real issues this franchise has ( Howards Turn overs, Jameer's debalce, and so on...)

quote: Originally posted by emory889: quote: Originally posted by KT:People- I read with the new PG thread with amusement. I don't understand how someone can claim to be a Magic fan and then disrespect a player on the team so much. It's not Travis Diener's fault that the Magic drafted him and refuse to play him. Some of you did not follow Diener's college career, have no idea of his basketball IQ or really, anything else about his game. Quoting his stats from his NBA career is a total waste of time, as the Magic have wasted his time. I have said it before, and I will say it again, I hope Travis Diener gets traded ASAP. If he isn't talented enough for the NBA, then I hope he goes and plays in Europe and makes tons of money like so many former college standouts do. I am so tired of negative Magic fans. The team is going nowhere this year, get over it and let's look ahead and get real. Seriously. Don't confuse Magic fans with the Arroyo fanatics man. Most of the real Magic fans like Dieners game and want to see him get more minutes to see what he can do. The Arroyo fans think the only real pg in the league is Carlitos. If Arroyo played for the Suns they would be calling for him to start. Most of them are completely unreasonable. Diener has been an irrelevant player for this team. Why do you even waste time analyzing his talent? You are better off defending Jameer's inability to become a Point guard (like you have done in many previous occasions). You guys need to star assuming responsabilities for what you've said in the past in this forum and stop projecting everything on those fans who might thing that Arroyo is a better option as PG for this team.

quote: Originally posted by Kberto:If it was up to me he would be our starting point guard. He's the best pure point guard we have. He has a pass first mentality, and he doesn't hesitate to swing the ball. Also, his great three point shooting would help Dwight out of double-teams. The people who criticize our guards are the fans of "the player." No way

I won't go either.

A very poor looser! All I have to say Is Remember the Knicks?

quote: Originally posted by PREFOT:I really think your love for jameer has shot you out of reality. Not only he is inconsistent an turnover prone. Everytime we are behind in a game and the bench brings us back it's always up to jameer to f... everything up again. Not only is Carlos going to be on this team next year, he is going to be our starter. If we keep jameer as our starting PG next year, we will be in the same situation we are now, an average team. quote: Originally posted by ironman:Leave Carlos on the bench and trade him as soon as posible to a team that might have a need for a PG. AS far as Jammer goes, He is your STARTING POINT GUARD and Guess What? He will continue being your STARTING PG at least for one more year. GO JAMEER!!! I was just being sarcastic dude. Let me tell you something and let it be very clear... This team has only one true point guard and his name is CARLOS ARROYO. We can argue all night long about his pros and cons as player, but he is the Real and only PG on this team. JN is a very undersized SG, KD is good defensive SG and that's it. Now as far as him not playing, leave him on the bench earning his 4 mil. He has done enough already and it hasn't been apreciated by his coach. This team is imploding. Hopefully he'll get trade next season and we will continue blasting this underachieving frachise. Love you all.

1) Arroyo 2) JJ 3) Trevor