Dave Lubinsky

quote: Okay, here's the problem: when you asked for "logical & educated Magic fans", I figured you were one yourself. But it just seems that you're posting this all based on absolutely no evidence, backing it up with emotions and false perceptions you have yourself, and just poor judgment. Normally I'd go on and on until you gave up, but I'm pretty sure I've made my point and have given plenty of reasons show you otherwise, and either a language barrier or stubbornness will keep you from understanding/changing your mind. tl;dr I'm done Nice debating with everyone. Just a passionate Magic fan here finally expressing his self after a let-down in the playoffs. If this conversation were to happen in person, you all would see my tone of voice & expression are not insulting or stubborn. I guess im done too

quote: You seem to be forgetting what he did last year and what he did against the Bobcats and ATL... mostly the Bobcats, when the team needed him most (Dwight Howard and Wince being nearly nonexistent offensively). And like I said, he was able to cancel out KG, so he at least did his job in the ECF (battling viral diseases). I'm mostly talking about his personality. He isn't the kind of guy that's always yelling and screaming and looking like he's about to kill someone. That's just not him. He does, however, play hard when he's needed and hits big shots. Him pretending to be what he's not wouldn't make him any better. Thats one of the problems with Orlando's fan base... Who CARES what he did last year.. Last year is OVER.. It doesnt matter because their is no title banner hanging in the Amway. Who CARES what he did againt the less talented Bobcats.. First round of the playoffs against a severely undertalented team compared to Orlando, nothing to be impressed about. You are supposed to do that. Your expected to do that! Who CARES what he did against Atlanta. We swept them and our main guys IMO still didnt do enough, NO WHERE NEAR enough. ECF arrives.. Time to show up.. Make your money.. I dont want to hear about Flu's and stomach viruses.. Show up to the big stage and make your money! Make your name! Make your legend! Make your legacy! THIS IS why we are not a title team.. Can anyone else see this?

quote: Originally posted by Jareth Cutestory: quote: Originally posted by Dave Lubinsky: quote: Now that's an entirely different argument. And this is tough because 1) You can't possibly be talking about Lewis. The guy is just ice cold. Calm and collective, but in big games he shows just how big his heart is. Did you really just label a player with 14.1 ppg in season & 12.9 ppg in playoffs...um Ice Cold? 12.9 = Ice Cold? Wesley Matthews 13.2 = Ice Cold Joakim Noah 14.8 = Ice Cold Paul Milsap 18.0 = Ice Cold Lamarcus Aldridge 19.0 = Ice Cold Then why are you blaming Lewis for an ECF loss? Not blaming anyone for anything. Im blaming the Magic front offce for bringing in players who start to hit their decline on OUR watch... like usual.

quote: Now that's an entirely different argument. And this is tough because 1) You can't possibly be talking about Lewis. The guy is just ice cold. Calm and collective, but in big games he shows just how big his heart is. Did you really just label a player with 14.1 ppg in season & 12.9 ppg in playoffs...um Ice Cold? 12.9 = Ice Cold? Wesley Matthews 13.2 = Ice Cold Joakim Noah 14.8 = Ice Cold Paul Milsap 18.0 = Ice Cold Lamarcus Aldridge 19.0 = Ice Cold

quote: Originally posted by Jareth Cutestory:Who are we to question a players desire? I'm passionate about alot of things. Doesn't mean I have to bang my head against it to prove my desire. You're taking this into an entirely different direction. One that can't be discussed logically or educated because it's not something we can prove using fact. Perception is reality. Look at the ones who do "bang their heads" and are fearless on the big stage.. Those are the ones who win titles

If the topic is starting to fork, my fault.. But I started this thread in frustration mode wondering why we have 2 large contracts under our belt, both in which are on the decline. It frustrates me because I dont see these guys sacrificing whatever it takes to get it done.. Lew and VC do not deserve those contract numbers, they just dont.........It irrates me! I know Im off topic though.. Just gets me heated because I care about my team as a whole

quote: Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes:Look at Boston for example: Ray Allen before the trade: 26.4 ppg with 21 attempts a game. 29.5 USG% after the trade: 17.4 ppg with 13.5 attempts a game 21.6 USG% KG before: 22.4 ppg with 17.6 attempts a game after the trade: 18.8 ppg 13.9 attempts a game Pierce before: 25 ppg 18.1 attempts a game after: 19.6 ppg 13.9 attempts That is a great example Buttermilk, it shows that drop offs will happen with more talent. I Agree with that, BUT... Pierce, Garnet and Allen all took a decline, IN THEIR NUMBERS... Never in their minds, and still play with swagger, confidence, toughness, and the mindframe that the Larry OBrian Trophy is THEIRS, and nothing will stop them on their way to honoring their fans, franchise and ones own self.. Our guys..... well.......IMO dont really care. Thats what they showed us in the ECF. If you dont have the passion, or SELF WILL to give it your all with your body getting crushed, your legs giving out and your arms being tired, then you better put up BIGGER NUMBERS than you did at your last city. I prefer not to have players on decline's with no burning desire to win titles.

I guess I am still waiting for a player who will come in here and expect to be BETTER than he was prior to signing. We are the Magic... We pay you whatever amount you desire (for the most part), and dont hold you accountable for it.. We are just happy you are in a Magic Jersey, actually producing is up to you, but we wont be mad if you dont. I WANT A FREE AGENT for once who feel's they deserve MORE money because of the talent & dedication they bring

Player Drop-offs Vince Carter 2008-2009 w/New Jersey 20.8 PPG 2009-2010 w/Orlando 16.6 PPG Rashard Lewis 2006-2007 w/Seattle 22.4 PPG 2007-2008 w/Orlando 18.2 PPG I have went through and analized quite a few of current players & past players recently, only to discover that 87% of the players we have signed over the past 8 years have dropped in their scoring averages by over 3 1/2 points in their first season with the Magic. Any idea why that is? Do not tell me it's because of Dwight David Howard..

I could care less of Dwight's whereabouts, I just hope he's doing something to improve his game.. Freethrows, post moves, ANYTHING.. I beg you Dwight, PLEASE become a top-5 Center of all time.

At 3:45 pm today Dwight was lifting at RDV for a VitaminWater campaign. RDV is in Orlando, not Houston. Suddenly this thread becomes meaningless.. Sorry

Might serve him right. I would rather have JJ give us the production he was shown over the course of these playoffs, in the starting line-up Tired of the beggers on this board & city of Orlando, BEGGING for Vince to show up. Please Vinceeee, shoowwww upppp..... Think about it from the pine buddy. Vince Carter - " I owe you guys one ".. No you dont. You owe it to yourself, and your career.

Might serve him right. I would rather have JJ give us the production he was shown over the course of these playoffs, in the starting line-up Tired of the beggers on this board & city of Orlando, BEGGING for Vince to show up. Please Vinceeee, shoowwww upppp..... Think about it from the pine buddy. Vince Carter - " I owe you guys one ".. No you dont. You owe it to yourself, and your career.

Did you just hear Stuart Scott? "Lets take a look into Amway Arena as we see here Rasheed Lewis working on that jumpshot. Really? Rasheed Lewis?

quote: Maybe you should just go watch soccer, there is no need for it in the nba. It ruins the game! Oh, and maybe your right about the whole soccer thing. At least those guys give it their absolute ALL in order to make their countries proud! It's all about loyalty & legacy in Soccer.. You dont see left wings tweeting about the red carpet movie event.. Especially when they are losing