Darthmagic

When Vince was struggling earlier in the year a lot of people on this board including myself thought he was done. However, it only appeared that way because of injury. T-Mac is still not 100 percent and will need some time to come into his own. I would welcome him here because i believe he can be a very good player once he's healed up. The thing that impressed me the most last night was his play making abilities. He can straight up pass the rock and facilitate an offense. The Vewt min for TMac would be a steal IMO.

I need help! I'm addicted to hating Rashard.

Raining threes

quote: Originally posted by AddiFB:Anyone else feel like Gallinari looks like the silly looking dude standing next to the beer keg at the party, holding a red plastic cup and staring at you with a weird smirk... wearing nothing but a jockstrap and sandals... ? NO...

JJ WITH THE HUGE FLUSH!!!! DUNK OF THE NIGHT?

Bill Walker looks like a talented young player

quote: Originally posted by J2K:LOL at Dwight getting mad at Pietrus for getting a rebound lol! Poor peaches.

quote: Originally posted by VCplusD12: quote: Originally posted by PSPUMD: quote: Originally posted by VCplusD12:Dude, channelsurfing.net usually has better stream quality than atdhe but the p0rn ads are really irritating i love those , it makes me feel likes all the girls are trying to Messages me and asking me to go out tonight. The best thing is that they all live near me Guys look really disinterested tonight. Might hit a record in three's tonight.

Considering that the league is moving away from bigger post players could Brandon Bass thrive ad our full time back-up center if Gortat gets traded? I know he's only 6-8 but he has a wide body and is very aggressive going for rebounds. He played some back up center in Dallas and did well. what do you think?

quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery:I find it utterly fascinating that UBBaller is arguing Pietrus is better than Miller because Miller never carried a team deep into the playoffs, as though Pietrus had done anything remotely comparable to that. Quoted for truth.

quote: Originally posted by ThisIsTheYear:For the record, I'm not saying I would take Miller over Pietrus. I admire what Pietrus brings to the table in terms of energy/defense, and how crucial he is to our success in this upcoming post season. What I'm arguing against, is the fact that some believe Pietrus is a better OFFENSIVE player. That is laughably absurd, and typically does not warrant any debate, but of course, these are the Magic boards, where homers run amok. And I despise the Gators. I think the issues are being confused. unless we get another defender i would not give up Peaches for Mike Miller. I would replace JJ with Mike because i think Mike is the superior player. Yes, i understand that JJ is younger but i like what Miller brings. He and Peaches would make a hell of a combo off the bench.

quote: Originally posted by UBBALLER8: quote: Originally posted by Darthmagic: quote: Originally posted by ThisIsTheYear: quote: just based on age alone i'm not on the miller train, dude's older, and more injury prone, i know peitrus has his bouts, but miller goes down alot. Miller's as old as Barnes, meaning, he just turned 30. For a guy that relies on shooting, 30's not exactly one of his final twilight years as a player. He's injury prone? Assuming he finishes off his final four games this season without getting inured, Miller has averaged 69 games played per season since the beginning of his NBA career. MP, by contrast, has averaged 62 games played. Who's injury prone again? It's amazing that people can compare Peaches to Mike Miller. I'm at a loss as to how people think Peaches can come close to Miller's all around game. Peaches can't even dribble three times without traveling. Read Lewis' post above yours. PS I assume you are a UF fan as well. No i'm not. But i've watched both players play for my team and trust me, Mike Miller is the better player.

quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by Darthmagic: You are either a UF homer, a racist, or are on hallucinogenic drugs. Mike Miller does nothing at all better than Pietrus, and is certainly not a better defender or rebounder than Barnes. It could be argued that now that Barnes is in the starting lineup that he isn't even a better shooter than him either. miller is a better offensive player... Than Pietrus? How so? Because he averages more points on a team that is 200x worse? Mike Miller can never and will never be as valuable to a championship caliber basketball team as Mikael Pietrus is. Pietrus could average 20 on a really ****ty team too - where he's chucking up all sorts of shots. I remember Mike Miller being here and scoring points, but I also remember Mike Miller dribbling the ball of his foot into the stands in crucial situations, and turning the ball over carelessly also. I want no part of him or IR-Mac. He's a far superior playmaker and 3 point shooter then both of them and it is so obvious it isn't even funny. Pietrus may be more athletic but he discounts that by making so many moronic plays that I will take Miller's bball IQ over Pietrus' athleticism any day. There both always nursing some kind of injury so that's a push. On ball d Pietrus may be better but again he makes so many mental mistakes that Miller simply does not. You point out Miller dribbling the ball off his foot. Valid. Back in 2002 anyway. Kid was in his first years so of course he was making some bad mistakes. By your reckoning we should have given up on Dwight years ago. Now I will agree with you on Barnes in a heartbeat. But if it is between peaches and Miller then I'm sorry, there are very few teams that would take the french-men over the vet. i disagree. pietrus has established that he can be a two-way player. the fact that he plays great defense makes him more valuable. You just tend to overrate your college teams players. A lot. I agree with the 2 way player assessment. Pietrus >>> Miller In what universe? in the universe where basketball is played on two ends of the court. we can't use the Defense is just as important as offense when making dwight's case for MVP then dismiss it when people want to overrate miller. The fact is, its easy to find guys who can score. We have several guys on our team who can fill the roll of 4th or 5th option on offense. We dont have as many who can be a top level defender. Thus my reasoning behind why pietrus would be more valuable on this team than mike miller. I'm not ignoring the defensive side of the ball, but IMO Mike Miller gives you more on the offensive end than Peaches gives you on the defensive end. Include the bball IQ it's no contest. Outside of athleticism JJ is a better player than Peaches. I'd take Mike Miller over JJ right now. If JJ became mike miller he would have had a successful career outside of championships. Mike has won rookie of the year and 6th man of the year. The guy's a baller and seriously underrated on this team. Ads for fit on this team, i wouldn't give up Peaches for him. See, the same people who would have JJ over pietrus like miller over pietrus. These people dont have championship ambitions. JJ is a great player, JJ can win games by himself occasionally while pietrus cant. JJ also cant play in certain playoff series because of his defense. While pietrus may never be the offensive threat that JJ or mike miller is, he is more important on a championship team. The average JJ offensive game and the average Pietrus offensive game is pretty negligible. Pietrus' defense is way more important though. If im building a team and i need a 4th or 5th option im picking pietrus every time because his investment is always worth double because he excels at both offense and defense. JJ and Miller have higher offensive ceilings but need shots for that to happen. Unless they are 2nd or third scoring options out there your return of investment doesn't beat Pietrus. Again, in what universe does Peitrus EXCEL offensively? When the hell did that happen?

quote: Originally posted by ThisIsTheYear: quote: just based on age alone i'm not on the miller train, dude's older, and more injury prone, i know peitrus has his bouts, but miller goes down alot. Miller's as old as Barnes, meaning, he just turned 30. For a guy that relies on shooting, 30's not exactly one of his final twilight years as a player. He's injury prone? Assuming he finishes off his final four games this season without getting inured, Miller has averaged 69 games played per season since the beginning of his NBA career. MP, by contrast, has averaged 62 games played. Who's injury prone again? It's amazing that people can compare Peaches to Mike Miller. I'm at a loss as to how people think Peaches can come close to Miller's all around game. Peaches can't even dribble three times without traveling.

quote: Originally posted by UBBALLER8: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by Darthmagic: quote: Originally posted by UBBALLER8: quote: Originally posted by Darthmagic: quote: Originally posted by UBBALLER8: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by Ramsde68: quote: Originally posted by UBBALLER8: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by UBBALLER8: quote: Originally posted by Mat

You are either a UF homer, a racist, or are on hallucinogenic drugs. Mike Miller does nothing at all better than Pietrus, and is certainly not a better defender or rebounder than Barnes. It could be argued that now that Barnes is in the starting lineup that he isn't even a better shooter than him either. miller is a better offensive player... Than Pietrus? How so? Because he averages more points on a team that is 200x worse? Mike Miller can never and will never be as valuable to a championship caliber basketball team as Mikael Pietrus is. Pietrus could average 20 on a really ****ty team too - where he's chucking up all sorts of shots. I remember Mike Miller being here and scoring points, but I also remember Mike Miller dribbling the ball of his foot into the stands in crucial situations, and turning the ball over carelessly also. I want no part of him or IR-Mac. He's a far superior playmaker and 3 point shooter then both of them and it is so obvious it isn't even funny. Pietrus may be more athletic but he discounts that by making so many moronic plays that I will take Miller's bball IQ over Pietrus' athleticism any day. There both always nursing some kind of injury so that's a push. On ball d Pietrus may be better but again he makes so many mental mistakes that Miller simply does not. You point out Miller dribbling the ball off his foot. Valid. Back in 2002 anyway. Kid was in his first years so of course he was making some bad mistakes. By your reckoning we should have given up on Dwight years ago. Now I will agree with you on Barnes in a heartbeat. But if it is between peaches and Miller then I'm sorry, there are very few teams that would take the french-men over the vet. i disagree. pietrus has established that he can be a two-way player. the fact that he plays great defense makes him more valuable. You just tend to overrate your college teams players. A lot. I agree with the 2 way player assessment. Pietrus >>> Miller In what universe? in the universe where basketball is played on two ends of the court. we can't use the Defense is just as important as offense when making dwight's case for MVP then dismiss it when people want to overrate miller. The fact is, its easy to find guys who can score. We have several guys on our team who can fill the roll of 4th or 5th option on offense. We dont have as many who can be a top level defender. Thus my reasoning behind why pietrus would be more valuable on this team than mike miller. I'm not ignoring the defensive side of the ball, but IMO Mike Miller gives you more on the offensive end than Peaches gives you on the defensive end. Include the bball IQ it's no contest. Outside of athleticism JJ is a better player than Peaches. I'd take Mike Miller over JJ right now. If JJ became mike miller he would have had a successful career outside of championships. Mike has won rookie of the year and 6th man of the year. The guy's a baller and seriously underrated on this team. As for fit on this team, i wouldn't give up Peaches for him.

quote: Originally posted by UBBALLER8: quote: Originally posted by Darthmagic: quote: Originally posted by UBBALLER8: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by Ramsde68: quote: Originally posted by UBBALLER8: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by UBBALLER8: quote: Originally posted by Mat

quote: Originally posted by UBBALLER8: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by Ramsde68: quote: Originally posted by UBBALLER8: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by UBBALLER8: quote: Originally posted by Mat

quote: Originally posted by GhostAnime:Bad idea. Bass is a terrible rebounder, and there's no benefit in putting him at C. Even if you want to post him up, most C's are actually bigger than him. You people are forgetting that he's naturally a power forward. And DO NOT compare us to the Cavaliers. Ever. When did Bass become a "terrible" rebounder? I just don't get this. Was he a terrible rebounder on the Mavs? And the stats say he plays better as a Center.

quote: Originally posted by barnettej: quote: Originally posted by Darthmagic:Considering that the league is moving away from bigger post players could Brandon Bass thrive ad our full time back-up center if Gortat gets traded? I know he's only 6-8 but he has a wide body and is very aggressive going for rebounds. He played some back up center in Dallas and did well. what do you think? Looking at the numbers of Bass when he played for the Mav's and Gortat now... And it would appear that Bass has done a better job than Gortat in the backup role with limited minutes... And Bass has proven that he can handle the position... even though he is undersized... the guy is a pure beast in terms of strength.. I would even go out and say that Bass is the second strongest guy on the team... although we dont have many big guys... So I would think that Bass could definitely fill the role Gortat has if or when he is traded. This is my point. He plays his best at back up Center. I see no reason why he couldn't do it.

quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery:Hickson plays next to Lebron and Jamison, who are both quality rebounders. Al Horford averages 10 rebounds per 36, and is playing next to Josh Smith/Joe Smith, who both average 9 per36. Brandon Bass averages 7.2 per36, and would be playing in a second unit that doesn't rebound well. This is a horrible, horrible idea. i dont think it would be if we played him with barnes. Just because he plays on the second unit doesn't mean we need to do an entire line change and play all the backups at once. You're still going to be running a unit that will constantly be outrebounded badly. Our whole system is largely predicated on Dwight being able to rebound like 2 players. In the second unit, that becomes an issue because Warlock, while a very good rebounder, isn't Dwight, and as such we're already running a team that gets beat on the boards a good amount of the time when Dwight is out of the game. Replace Gortat with a mediocre rebounding power forward playing center, and we'll get destroyed. I'm not so sure about your doom and gloom scenario. Bass is a solid rebounder, Ryan is a better rebounder than Bass and Shard. Even Peaches is a pretty good rebounder from the wing position.

quote: Originally posted by optics:I like Bass as a player but lets be honest .. he just doesnt fit our system @ all. When we first picked him up I thought we would incorporate him to be our big at PF and let Rashard go back to the 3 .. but Stan would rather have 4 other plays stand at the perimeter and let Howard try to grab every rebound possible. My question is .. why use Bass to match up with other teams? Why dont we use him out there at the 4 and let other teams "match up" with us?? Hmmm .. food for thought Bass is a decent low post sorer. Even better than Gortat IMO. If he plays center, then we can surround him with shooters like we do with Dwight. C-Bass Pf-Ryan SF-Pietrus SG-Redick PG-J-Will That's a decent second unit

quote: Originally posted by AnotherCavsFan:If Hickson can do it in Cleveland, Bass can do it in Orlando. I want Bass on this team and i don't see him accepting spot minutes at the four spot come next season. This is the best way for him to stay with us and get minutes. He's not gonna supplant Ryan at the 4 spot so i would welcome his move. Stan doesn't seem to like using him there though.

Considering that the league is moving away from bigger post players could Brandon Bass thrive ad our full time back-up center if Gortat gets traded? I know he's only 6-8 but he has a wide body and is very aggressive going for rebounds. He played some back up center in Dallas and did well. what do you think?

I wasn't sure if the refs were allowed to make calls in our favor