ball junkie
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34 minutes ago, fan for too long 2 said:+/- is really a non stat. They’re just way too many variables in the equation. Also it should be per minute or per 48 minutes, this would help a little bit, but not much. This”stat” is too dependent on who you are playing with and who you are playing against while your on the floor.
Yet with JI you can pretty much throw all those variables out the door lol …cause it does not matter with him lol lol
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32 minutes ago, Soul Bro said:I think you missed Crazy's question. No, this stat does not take into account minutes played or the context of those minutes. Thus, while JI has been a huge difference maker in the minutes/games he's played, he's played far fewer minutes/games than the other regulars. Additionally, he's played a lot of those minutes against backups off the bench. As to the games moving forward, I think it's a no brainer to start him like the last game. That lineup, assuming JI can stay healthy, is incredible.
All that data is listed …but the plus minus is only for the time you’re on the court that is correct, be it a lot of minutes or not so many …still doesn’t change the numbers …it counts how the team does when x player is on the court be it scoring more or less than your opponent …now if you wanna say he played against backups go for for it …but I think we all know with JI does not matter lol …we all saw what he did to Durant and Doncic on back to back nights the last two nights
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49 minutes ago, Crazyhorse81 said:If you could excuse my ignorance, but is +/- normalized like per x-minutes or something? Because otherwise it makes sense that JI has such good numbers, as he's hardly played.
Not ignorant at all …good question …and agree with you in that it doesn’t take a rocket scientist if you watch the Magic to know what player makes the greatest impact …and it’s not close re JI …my understanding of plus minus is that when a player, any player is on the court it takes into account of whether the entire team out scores the opponent or the opponent outscores in this case the Magic .
What is mind boggling to me is the names at the top …not AB mind you …but Suggs decisively at the top and Banchero solidly in second .
It also lists games played, minutes per game etc etc …was reading a few days ago on another site talking about the Magic numbers when Banchero was on the court but I just kinda glossed over it …this little nugget got my attention .
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https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/worst-plus-minus-orlando-magic-players
If you’re a believer in plus minus it’s very interesting who’s at the top of this list …these are season totals …of course if you watch the team no surprise who’s the best …it goes from the top the worst on the team to the bottom whom are the best
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1 hour ago, All Eyes On Me said:Yeah, I think Markelle could be the guy on the trade block. He’s starting to round back into form with his defense and driving (when he plays) but he won’t even look at the basket from 20 + feet. He’s not a good fit with Paolo, and we need to be focused on the players that fit best around our superstar.
Great win. Held a healthy Suns and all their firepower to single digits in the 4th before garbage time and under 100 for the game. We still need shooting and we should address it at the deadline, but I think it needs to be Gary and Chuma that are on the block.
The bottom quote was you after the Suns game …will you make up your mind sir lol lol …clock is ticking on the Fultz naysayers …what is Weltham gonna do …suspense lol
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3 minutes ago, MAGICTIME22 said:Agreed. Correct call for sure. Even with all of that the Magic still had a chance there on that last possession. That last shot by Franz almost went in. I was hoping that it did to have the chance to see Luka wipe that smirk off his face. You know the smirk? Lol. It's that look he always gives when he baits the refs into blowing the whistle while flopping around like a fish out of water.
Haha yep ok … great description lol
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2 minutes ago, MAGICTIME22 said:It also stopped some momentum that the Magic had going while still maintaining a one point lead.
Exactly …but the call was correct whether was an accident or not …dude was doing some serious nose bleeding
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9 minutes ago, JJZFL said:I addressed it earlier (see first post above) but obviously medical staff has laid down some rules. Whether this is the right approach or not remains to be seen. Probably cost us the game tonight but maybe not playing him big minutes in a back to back will result in more future wins this season. Hard to know.
Yeah bruh I understand about JI lol …but I’m not gonna explain to every poster why he isn’t playing …was actually explaining it to you why we collapsed and the reason for aftermath of posters lol
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Just now, JJZFL said:True but without the third quarter collapse it doesn’t come down to individual plays in the 4th
Well and that’s why there have been 50 posts wanting an explanation for why JI didn’t play lol lol
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1 minute ago, JJZFL said:Third quarter was the big swing. That’s how we lost this game.
Well we fought back after that swing …had chances …had the lead until the flagrant …was a 4 point swing …we never recovered to lead again
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My takeaway from this game is that JI and Fultz are vitally important to the success of this team …knock on wood that they continue progressing from injury
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1 minute ago, harryfromphilly said:yeah about AB so why was the hot hand on the bench and cole in'? why was issac not in for the first 5 minutes or the last 5 minutes of the second half. Why was markell's sitting? where was caleb instead of chuma, he was a starter a few games ago very very strange coaching
I’m not the coach …but Cole is a vet …JI situation is getting better …Fultz is just coming back only played 10 games so I understand the injury maintenance …Caleb struggling big time not sure of Chuma
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That flagrant was a big swing
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Man that’s a big call against us
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That’s gonna be a flagrant …nose is pouring blood
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We are still in this game …let’s see if our franchise players can lift our team …
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1 minute ago, MAGICTIME22 said:You mean to tell me that Isaac can't give you 4 or 5 minutes to start the third quarter? That potentially could have increased the lead from 16 to 22 or 24. Instead you rest him and it's a total disaster. Once he didn't come back, I turned to my company here and I said this is going to be a Dallas victory by 10 plus points and I was right.
Yeah your prediction looks spot on at this point …unless we mount a comeback
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Just now, OnlyFranz said:Until we get guys who can consistently shoot the 3 ball and keep defenses honest no lead is safe. Magictime22 called it and we’re just folding with no creativity in our offensive play calling.
Bruh …we are smoking hot from 3 tonight …14-28
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It’s how fast we have collapsed that is stunning …you can blame whomever
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Interesting that all the good that came out of the first half is gonna disappear if we blow this game and the big lead …minus only one player …JI
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JI BABY ! LFG !!
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1 hour ago, Phil4Real said:Great game last night. Nothing spectacular on offense, really. I think the win came thanks to the defensive concentration and effort of our players.
Give me Mo Wagner every time to change the pace of a game.
Fultz was again very good, I think many are going to have to swallow some of the words from the last few weeks. I think anyone who watches his last two games can see that beyond him not having an outside shot, he is a constant concern for the defense when he moves between the lines and finds ways to the basket. He is really clever, tonight he had 5 steals and 0 turnovers. Of course, if you can bring in Tyus Jones, go for it. But Markelle is the only real point guard on the team and as much as we all love Anthony Black, he's not even in the same league as Markelle right now. If we want to win, Fultz is our only option. And I'm ok with that.Agree Phil …only a few more games until we know whether Weltham is gonna keep Fultz for the rest of the season …things can change again like if we suck tonight against Dallas …but I though it was unusually quiet after a win like last night …Suns came in rolling had all their big guns and writers predicting they were gonna destroy us …you guys that want Fultz gone better root harder he and we suck lol lol lol
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2023-2024 General Game Thread
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Looking forward to tonight’s game …first look at Wemby …Spurs can beat us if we aren’t focused …they aren’t the worst team in the league having won 10 games …I’m sure the media will focus on the Paolo Wemby first matchup but I’m actually hoping JI starts and guards him …Wemby is putting up numbers …don’t know if any of you saw his recent matchup with Chet but it got pretty physical and intense …looking at the box looks like Wemby got the better of him