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quote: Originally posted by weezt0e:He basically rehashed what everyone thinks. That there is no way they can bring back brian hill after they have "cut off his legs" He said he thinks he's done. He also said that he thinks Hill deserves another year for bringing "structure" to the team.He is in favor of them trying to get Donovan for the "buzz" factor. (Retarded) But he acknowledged that most college coaches have failed. He named a lot of coaches (none of which are on my short list: Adelman or Iavaroni) including Carlesemo , the Van Gundys and Carlise as possible replacements. But he was just comming up with those off the top of his head. Fianlly he said he thinks the Spurs win win it all this year. Thanks weezt0e. Much appreciation.

Hey, can sombody do me a favor? I live in a relatively new neighborhood that doesn't have DSL yet for computer's. Only dial-up. Can someone click this link and go to Listen In:Tim Povtak thinks Brian Hill's days are numbered and tell me what it says? It's right on the upper part of the page. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ I got one more thing to say. If they fire Brian they better make darn sure they got somebody else lined up to coach this team. And I don't want some re-tread either. I'd rather have Brian back instead of a re-tread. Thanks.

Interesting...? The tension mounts!(lol)

If they part ways with Brian Hill. This is from the Gainesville Sun: quote: Other NBA sources, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the Orlando Magic would consider Donovan a candidate if the Magic decide to part ways with current head coach Brian Hill. Hill's job status is still being evaluated after Orlando went 40-42 and was swept by Detroit in the first-round of the NBA playoffs. Interesting.....? Even though most college coaches have failed in the NBA I wouldn't mind having a young fiery up-tempo guy running the show at all. Even though the Magic beat writer's have suggested contacting Donovan this is the first report I've seen verifying an interest or stating that the Magic would like to talk with him. http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20070507/GATORS02/70...coming_Billy_D_s_way

Come on Fran! Buckle up buddy! Get your butt over here to the good ole U.S.of A. and help your Magic boyz kick some butt!!! Kick your girl to the curb cuz we got some fine women over here too!! J/K Seriously, Otis is being a sly dog and calling him up to try and persuade him to come over. I'll take his big body in the trenches in a hearbeat!

quote: Five areas the Magic must address this offseason if they hope to finish next season with the optimism of a team actually contending for a championship. (1)Decide on Brian Hill's fate quickly. If Hill is going to be fired, the Magic would be wise to move as quickly as possible. The franchise needs a coach in place before the free-agent courting process opens in July. And if the Magic are going to replace Hill with one of the top candidates (Larry Brown, Rick Carlisle or Marc Ivaroni), they had better make their move in the coming weeks. As for Hill, there are some in the organization who still think the veteran coach can return to the Magic. Putting his future in doubt greatly undermines his authority with his players. But if Hill is willing to be more flexible with his player rotations and the style the Magic play next season, there is a belief he could keep his job. (2)A summer of improvement from Dwight Howard. Howard's scoring average has gone up each of his three NBA seasons, but the franchise center still has a ways to go to become the Magic's go-to-scorer. He certainly proved he could dunk, leading the league in stuffs with 254 this season. But Howard has to add a jump hook and a face-up jump shot from 12 feet to counter defenders who keep him away from the rim. Also, the Magic are in the process of hiring Howard a shooting coach in hopes of addressing his problems from the free-throw line. He dipped to 58.6 percent during the season and he was much worse (45.5 percent) in the playoffs. If Howard doesn't get this flaw fixed now, he's headed for Shaquille O'Neal depths. Howard would be better working with a veteran big-man coach (maybe Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Pete Newell, Bob McAdoo or Clifford Ray), but instead he'll spend a large chunk of his summer playing with Team USA. So it's up to Howard to come back next season with a new wrinkle to his game. (3)Re-sign Darko Milicic. Bringing back the 7-foot Serbian is priority No. 1 this summer for the Magic -- if they can get him at what they deem to be a logical figure. Milicic will be a restricted free agent, meaning the Magic can match any offer he receives from another team. The Magic actually want to knock out Milicic's deal first because they won't know how many free-agent dollars they have remaining until they sign him. Expect the Magic to offer a deal at $7-8 million per season, but not necessarily at the length Milicic might want (three years instead of six). One rub is that Milicic wants to expand his game more to the perimeter next season. Hill made him stay mostly inside this season, and by the playoffs he developed a lot of confidence -- not to mention a nifty left-handed hook -- on the low block. But he wants to expand his game to the outside where he occasionally shoots 3-pointers. Money will be the overriding factor in Milicic's decision, but his role in the offense will also play a major part. (4)Be aggressive in free agency or trade. The free-agent market will feature top names such as Vince Carter, Chauncey Billups, Rashard Lewis and Gerald Wallace. But those players will be extremely difficult to lure away because their teams can pay more than the Magic. Carter seems the most logical because of his ties to Central Florida. He's from Daytona Beach and has a summer home in Orlando. But there are questions about his leadership abilities, something that has to worry a Magic squad already short on leadership. Another avenue for the Magic to explore might be the trade route. Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Mike Bibby and Andre Miller are in seemingly hopeless rebuilding situations in Minnesota, Seattle, Sacramento and Philadelphia, and might be looking for a way to get to a playoff team. An offer of Milicic, Hedo Turkoglu and a first-round draft pick might be enough to lure Garnett or Allen. Pair one of those stars with Howard, and the Magic would instantly become contenders in the Eastern Conference. (5)Point guard or scorer? There is some division among the Magic as to whether the team needs a point guard or a scorer more. Smith, for example, is convinced that Orlando needs a scorer that it can give the ball to late in games and come through with points. Hill, meanwhile, has inferred that a pass-first point guard could do wonders for the offense, especially Howard. There certainly are good cases for both considering that the Magic were abysmal offensively most of this past season. Orlando ranked 27th in the NBA in scoring and 29th in both assists and turnovers. Nelson is a vital part of the core of this team, but he might be best used off the bench as a change-of-pace guard who can provide instant offense. Passing isn't his forte and it showed this season when the Magic's ball movement often ground to a halt. Billups is the best point guard in free agency, but Detroit isn't likely to let him leave after losing Ben Wallace last summer. Denver's Steve Blake and Milwaukee's Mo Williams could be pass-first point guard targets within the Magic's reach. I think the longer the Brian Hill situation drags out the better his chances are of returning. Nuff said. Tired of talking about it. Don't know if anyone knew it cause I didn't but was glad to see that the Magic are going to hire a shooting coach for Dwight. Hopefully a better, more confident shooting Dwight will emerge next season. As much as you guys know I love the sound of Vince in a Magic uniform, I must admit his leadership reputation on a team that is already lacking scares me. Point guard or scorer? This is the subject that is causing the rift between VanderWeide, Otis and Brian Hill. I think VanderWeide is in the middle listening to both Otis and Brian Hill state their cases. We need both area's addressed this summer. Problem is it will be very hard to do. I think the wing scorer is priority number 1 but then we have no point guard. At least I agree with Denton that Jameer is not the guy to start and would be better served coming off the bench. http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/...05070318/1002/SPORTS

quote: Five areas the Magic must address this offseason if they hope to finish next season with the optimism of a team actually contending for a championship. (1)Decide on Brian Hill's fate quickly. If Hill is going to be fired, the Magic would be wise to move as quickly as possible. The franchise needs a coach in place before the free-agent courting process opens in July. And if the Magic are going to replace Hill with one of the top candidates (Larry Brown, Rick Carlisle or Marc Ivaroni), they had better make their move in the coming weeks. As for Hill, there are some in the organization who still think the veteran coach can return to the Magic. Putting his future in doubt greatly undermines his authority with his players. But if Hill is willing to be more flexible with his player rotations and the style the Magic play next season, there is a belief he could keep his job. (2)A summer of improvement from Dwight Howard. Howard's scoring average has gone up each of his three NBA seasons, but the franchise center still has a ways to go to become the Magic's go-to-scorer. He certainly proved he could dunk, leading the league in stuffs with 254 this season. But Howard has to add a jump hook and a face-up jump shot from 12 feet to counter defenders who keep him away from the rim. Also, the Magic are in the process of hiring Howard a shooting coach in hopes of addressing his problems from the free-throw line. He dipped to 58.6 percent during the season and he was much worse (45.5 percent) in the playoffs. If Howard doesn't get this flaw fixed now, he's headed for Shaquille O'Neal depths. Howard would be better working with a veteran big-man coach (maybe Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Pete Newell, Bob McAdoo or Clifford Ray), but instead he'll spend a large chunk of his summer playing with Team USA. So it's up to Howard to come back next season with a new wrinkle to his game. (3)Re-sign Darko Milicic. Bringing back the 7-foot Serbian is priority No. 1 this summer for the Magic -- if they can get him at what they deem to be a logical figure. Milicic will be a restricted free agent, meaning the Magic can match any offer he receives from another team. The Magic actually want to knock out Milicic's deal first because they won't know how many free-agent dollars they have remaining until they sign him. Expect the Magic to offer a deal at $7-8 million per season, but not necessarily at the length Milicic might want (three years instead of six). One rub is that Milicic wants to expand his game more to the perimeter next season. Hill made him stay mostly inside this season, and by the playoffs he developed a lot of confidence -- not to mention a nifty left-handed hook -- on the low block. But he wants to expand his game to the outside where he occasionally shoots 3-pointers. Money will be the overriding factor in Milicic's decision, but his role in the offense will also play a major part. (4)Be aggressive in free agency or trade. The free-agent market will feature top names such as Vince Carter, Chauncey Billups, Rashard Lewis and Gerald Wallace. But those players will be extremely difficult to lure away because their teams can pay more than the Magic. Carter seems the most logical because of his ties to Central Florida. He's from Daytona Beach and has a summer home in Orlando. But there are questions about his leadership abilities, something that has to worry a Magic squad already short on leadership. Another avenue for the Magic to explore might be the trade route. Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Mike Bibby and Andre Miller are in seemingly hopeless rebuilding situations in Minnesota, Seattle, Sacramento and Philadelphia, and might be looking for a way to get to a playoff team. An offer of Milicic, Hedo Turkoglu and a first-round draft pick might be enough to lure Garnett or Allen. Pair one of those stars with Howard, and the Magic would instantly become contenders in the Eastern Conference. (5)Point guard or scorer? There is some division among the Magic as to whether the team needs a point guard or a scorer more. Smith, for example, is convinced that Orlando needs a scorer that it can give the ball to late in games and come through with points. Hill, meanwhile, has inferred that a pass-first point guard could do wonders for the offense, especially Howard. There certainly are good cases for both considering that the Magic were abysmal offensively most of this past season. Orlando ranked 27th in the NBA in scoring and 29th in both assists and turnovers. Nelson is a vital part of the core of this team, but he might be best used off the bench as a change-of-pace guard who can provide instant offense. Passing isn't his forte and it showed this season when the Magic's ball movement often ground to a halt. Billups is the best point guard in free agency, but Detroit isn't likely to let him leave after losing Ben Wallace last summer. Denver's Steve Blake and Milwaukee's Mo Williams could be pass-first point guard targets within the Magic's reach. I think the longer the Brian Hill situation drags out the better his chances are of returning. Nuff said. Tired of talking about it. Don't know if anyone knew it cause I didn't but was glad to see that the Magic are going to hire a shooting coach for Dwight. Hopefully a better, more confident shooting Dwight will emerge next season. As much as you guys know I love the sound of Vince in a Magic uniform, I must admit his leadership reputation on a team that is already lacking scares me. Point guard or scorer? This is the subject that is causing the rift between VanderWeide, Otis and Brian Hill. I think VanderWeide is in the middle listening to both Otis and Brian Hill state their cases. We need both area's addressed this summer. Problem is it will be very hard to do. I think the wing scorer is priority number 1 but then we have no point guard. At least I agree with Denton that Jameer is not the guy to start and would be better served coming off the bench. http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/...05070318/1002/SPORTS

quote: Published Sunday, May 6, 2007 Magical Mystery Reversal: Orlando Coach has No Guarantee of Job By Dick Scanlon dick.scanlon@theledger.com Contrary to what they said less than a month ago, the Orlando Magic are considering a coaching change. Brian Hill and his staff are twisting in the wind right now after some remarks made by club president Bob Vander Weide a few days after the Magic's playoff elimination. Vander Weide told the Orlando Sentinel that Hill's status is under review, and that he would like to see some changes in the Magic's ``style of play.'' In response to a question about recent statements indicating a commitment to Hill, Vander Weide said: ``Sometimes there are no guarantees in life.'' Unless he can spin his way out of what that comment suggests, Vander Weide might as well fire Hill right now because he has seriously undermined his ability to coach. When Hill was hired two years ago, no one was more vehement in his long-term commitment to Hill than Vander Weide. There had been too many changes in too short a period of time, he said, and the organization needed some stability. This was going to be the coach for the next four years (the length of Hill's contract), for better or for worse. Obviously something has changed, and unless Vander Weide and general manager Otis Smith were just blowing smoke in mid-April, the change has come very recently. The playoff sweep at the hands of the Detroit Pistons? Come on! Nobody was too surprised by that. Besides, Smith had said Hill's future was not tied to the Magic's playoff fortunes. There is a widespread assumption that the players do not like Hill, and certainly there are players who don't. But there is no evidence of a player revolt. To have a revolt, you need a leader, and one of the many problems with the Magic's roster is that they don't have one. The only player whose opinion really matters to the organization is Dwight Howard, and at this stage of his career the young center is not presumptuous enough to stage a coup to get the coach fired. In other words, Howard is no Penny Hardaway. There was a bogus story going around NBA gossip circles that Howard was livid when Hill insisted he make it back for the first practice after the All-Star break. Anyone who knows Howard also knows he would not be offended by something like that. In other words, he is no Penny Hardaway. At least not yet. You can make a case for or against Hill, just as you can for most NBA coaches. He was hired to instill a sense of order and to provide the team with the defensive identity it had lacked. He has succeeded on those fronts despite having only one guard (Keyon Dooling) who plays a lick of defense. Hill has also succeeded in getting the Magic into the playoffs, as minimal as that accomplishment was this season. The case against him, amplified by get-a-life web sites and radio talk shows, is that the Magic should have done better than 40-42 in a season in which the Eastern Conference was unusually weak and injury-riddled. It's hard to disagree with that, and it's routine for the coach to take the blame when a team fails to play up to expectations. So after Vander Weide's unfortunate remarks, the Magic organization is faced with the choice of spinning out of them, or spinning its wheels with a fifth different head coach in 4 1/2 years. This guy's a real straight shooter. He's been the Magic beat writer for us folks in Polk County since the team's incepion in 1988-89. As you can see he defends Brian Hill at times and crticizes him also. Thought you guys would be interested in his column. I actually taught school with his wife my first 5 years of my teaching career. They are both quality people. I might add, he is in the Magic lockeroom after each game so I would take his comments on some players and incidents that supposedly happened this year as pretty reliable. http://www.lakelandledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID...05060503/1113/SPORTS

quote: SENTINEL EXCLUSIVE Hill 'has a shot' at keeping job; Magic's brass demands changes Brian Schmitz | Sentinel Staff Writer Posted May 6, 2007 Brian Hill's return as coach of the Orlando Magic could depend on how he plans to make changes and meet some "requirements" that team President Bob Vander Weide soon will propose to Hill, according to people with knowledge of the situation. According to one of the sources who requested anonymity, Hill "has a shot" of keeping his job if his responses satisfy Vander Weide and General Manager Otis Smith, adding, "Bob has his requirements for Brian and questions he wants answered." Another person close to the situation said, "I think that's probably accurate." What requirements Hill might have to meet to satisfy the Magic were not known. Vander Weide acknowledged Hill and the club had some philosophical issues to iron out. Vander Weide had said the team's style of play "is one of the key things," wondering whether it could play more up-tempo. There also is a question regarding Hill's use of personnel, particularly young players such as rookie J.J. Redick. Smith said recently that Jameer Nelson likely couldn't be regarded as the Magic's point guard of the future playing in the current offensive system. A column item in the New York Post last week said Hill's departure was imminent. Sources told the Sentinel on Saturday that Hill was still the coach of the Magic, and that the club had not contacted any coaching candidates to replace him. Hill had spent at least part of last week at his condo in New Smyrna Beach. "Brian's calm, pretty calm about all this," said one source who had spoken recently with Hill. I just had an idea. Why doesn't Brian Hill agree to hire an offensive coordinator!(lol) http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/local/orl-magic06...orl-sports-headlines

quote: Originally posted by MagicFanBen: quote: Originally posted by NBAMagic47:good article junkie, finally a writers opinion who seems to be unbiased either way. he makes some good points and observations through out the entire article quote: There is a widespread assumption that the players do not like Hill, and certainly there are players who don't. But there is no evidence of a player revolt. To have a revolt, you need a leader, and one of the many problems with the Magic's roster is that they don't have one. i have been trying to bring this point across since i started posting, its nice to see and read someone else with the same opinion. quote: There was a bogus story going around NBA gossip circles that Howard was livid when Hill insisted he make it back for the first practice after the All-Star break. Anyone who knows Howard also knows he would not be offended by something like that. In other words, he is no Penny Hardaway. At least not yet. i posted a similar statement earlier today. if anybody knows dwight they would know that it is not in dwights character to have any ill feelings toward anyone quote: The case against him, amplified by get-a-life web sites and radio talk shows, is that the Magic should have done better than 40-42 in a season in which the Eastern Conference was unusually weak and injury-riddled. i just like the term get-a-life web sites, if anyone knows me by now they would know how i feel about this. overall good article, thanks for finding and posting it junkie You are trying to legitimize your opinion based on a author of an article that is only commenting on a situation from his point of view. You can not use his comments as evidence of fact when he has no first hand knowledge either way. Ben, his(Dick Scanlon) point of view is of a Magic beat writer that has been with the team since it's inception. As most people have commented already he seems to be a straight shooter and not taking anyone's side in his thoughts. What I can tell you is what I've already said. This guy has been covering the team since the beginning. He has personal relationships with the players and the coach's and management. I guess you could say from a personal standpoint it is his opinion and not factual. True. I happen to know the guy very well. You all have known me for a long time. As I said earlier I worked with his wife for many years. Very honest, hard working people. I would be very hard-pressed to disagree with any of his comments because of my personal relationship with Dick and knowing the honesty and integrity with which he and his wife conduct themselves. I would say his comments are about as close to gospel as you can get in this crazy Brian Hill situation that the organization is now involved in.

I like this quote from the article: quote: If you are going to believe anything, I would be more apt to believe a beat writer that uses quotes from his sources versus a fan ran web site. I have always felt like this.

quote: Published Sunday, May 6, 2007 Magical Mystery Reversal: Orlando Coach has No Guarantee of Job By Dick Scanlon dick.scanlon@theledger.com Contrary to what they said less than a month ago, the Orlando Magic are considering a coaching change. Brian Hill and his staff are twisting in the wind right now after some remarks made by club president Bob Vander Weide a few days after the Magic's playoff elimination. Vander Weide told the Orlando Sentinel that Hill's status is under review, and that he would like to see some changes in the Magic's ``style of play.'' In response to a question about recent statements indicating a commitment to Hill, Vander Weide said: ``Sometimes there are no guarantees in life.'' Unless he can spin his way out of what that comment suggests, Vander Weide might as well fire Hill right now because he has seriously undermined his ability to coach. When Hill was hired two years ago, no one was more vehement in his long-term commitment to Hill than Vander Weide. There had been too many changes in too short a period of time, he said, and the organization needed some stability. This was going to be the coach for the next four years (the length of Hill's contract), for better or for worse. Obviously something has changed, and unless Vander Weide and general manager Otis Smith were just blowing smoke in mid-April, the change has come very recently. The playoff sweep at the hands of the Detroit Pistons? Come on! Nobody was too surprised by that. Besides, Smith had said Hill's future was not tied to the Magic's playoff fortunes. There is a widespread assumption that the players do not like Hill, and certainly there are players who don't. But there is no evidence of a player revolt. To have a revolt, you need a leader, and one of the many problems with the Magic's roster is that they don't have one. The only player whose opinion really matters to the organization is Dwight Howard, and at this stage of his career the young center is not presumptuous enough to stage a coup to get the coach fired. In other words, Howard is no Penny Hardaway. There was a bogus story going around NBA gossip circles that Howard was livid when Hill insisted he make it back for the first practice after the All-Star break. Anyone who knows Howard also knows he would not be offended by something like that. In other words, he is no Penny Hardaway. At least not yet. You can make a case for or against Hill, just as you can for most NBA coaches. He was hired to instill a sense of order and to provide the team with the defensive identity it had lacked. He has succeeded on those fronts despite having only one guard (Keyon Dooling) who plays a lick of defense. Hill has also succeeded in getting the Magic into the playoffs, as minimal as that accomplishment was this season. The case against him, amplified by get-a-life web sites and radio talk shows, is that the Magic should have done better than 40-42 in a season in which the Eastern Conference was unusually weak and injury-riddled. It's hard to disagree with that, and it's routine for the coach to take the blame when a team fails to play up to expectations. So after Vander Weide's unfortunate remarks, the Magic organization is faced with the choice of spinning out of them, or spinning its wheels with a fifth different head coach in 4 1/2 years. This guy's a real straight shooter. He's been the Magic beat writer for us folks in Polk County since the team's incepion in 1988-89. As you can see he defends Brian Hill at times and crticizes him also. Thought you guys would be interested in his column. I actually taught school with his wife my first 5 years of my teaching career. They are both quality people. I might add, he is in the Magic lockeroom after each game so I would take his comments on some players and incidents that supposedly happened this year as pretty reliable. http://www.lakelandledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID...05060503/1113/SPORTS

I have a friend who periodically gives me inside info on the Magic. I want to clarify something. On Friday, I posted my friend had e-mailed me Brian was GONE!!! Just now I checked my work e-mail again and there was another message from my buddy. He said he was just joking about Brian being fired. He said he was not sure what direction the team was going as far as the coach. He said everyday his opinion changes as well as the people he works with in regards to the future employment of Brian Hill.

I wouldn't even think twice about it! He is exactly what we need in another big. Do you know something Nyce? He couldn't get here fast enough for me. That's exactly why Otis drafted him. He fits Dwight's game to perfection. He is also not your typical European finesses player from what I've heard. He likes to mix it up in the low-post.

You might want to add Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy to the list. Click here if you want to read about it. He just re-signed: http://www.nypost.com/seven/05062007/sports/van_gundy_r...rts_peter_vecsey.htm

All I know is everytime the word Brian Hill is used in this article it has the word "IF" attached to it.

I'm gonna have to call my Magic Insider tommorrow and get the scoop. Also, I got news for Otis Smith if he's banking on Jameer Nelson starting next year in an up-tempo offense. I'll just re-post my thoughts from another thread yesterday: quote: One more thought on this subject since every thread here is on Brian Hill and frankly I'm getting tired of talking about the guy. There's no new news to report on the subject anyway. Obviously VanderWeide is not sure what to do with Nelson either, hence the statement he made before leaving to go back to Michigan. Now, it is possible that VanderWeide and Otis don't agree either. I've seen some quotes from Otis in that MC article that says he thinks Jameer can flourish in an up-tempo offense. Otis specifically used an example of the Sacremento Kings and compared Jameer as a carbon copy of Mike Bibby. Here's my problem with that I'm going strictly from the memory cells in my brain so anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Mike Bibby has been playing the point guard position his entire life. It's the same position his Dad played in college and the NBA. I would be willing to bet that when Jameer played in high school he was a shooting guard. I know in college at St. Joe's he played point guard his last 2 years and mostly shooting guard his first two years, taking turns with Delonte West as to who ran the point. Mike Bibby has been a point guard his entire life. Coaches have tried to convert Jameer to the point with marginal success. He is a natural shooting or scoring guard. Mike Bibby is a good passer. I don't see Jameer as a great passer. He almost always looks right at the person whom he is going to pass the ball too. Any good point guard knows at times you have to be deceptive with your passes. I just don't see that in Jameer. Some of my friends and I saw Jameer play in the NCAA tournament in Tampa a couple of seasons age when they played Auburn(I think). St. Joe pulled the upset. Mostly because of Jameer and mostly cause he was hitting jumpers and getting to the basket. Not because of his playmaking skills. Is Jameer a good to great scorer? Yes. Is he the next Mike Bibby? Let's just say I have some serious doubts. There is just so many more skills required into being a good point guard than shooting. Let's also don't forget Bibby is at least 6-foot tall. I honestly don't think Jameer is 5'10. Maybe 5'9? I have not seen him all year long get a defensive push from the point guard postion cause he is not capable. I actually like Arroyo better in an up-tempo offense and from a defensive standpoint also. I refer back to VanderWeide's quote in my initial post. "We have to re-think how we use a 5'10 point guard in our system". In other words, VanderWeide is not as sure as Otis is that Jameer is the point guard of the future. Just like me. If the Magic decide to go up-tempo with Jameer running the show, I have my doubts. Off the bench as a spark? I'm much more comfortable with that.

quote: SENTINEL EXCLUSIVE Hill 'has a shot' at keeping job; Magic's brass demands changes Brian Schmitz | Sentinel Staff Writer Posted May 6, 2007 Brian Hill's return as coach of the Orlando Magic could depend on how he plans to make changes and meet some "requirements" that team President Bob Vander Weide soon will propose to Hill, according to people with knowledge of the situation. According to one of the sources who requested anonymity, Hill "has a shot" of keeping his job if his responses satisfy Vander Weide and General Manager Otis Smith, adding, "Bob has his requirements for Brian and questions he wants answered." Another person close to the situation said, "I think that's probably accurate." What requirements Hill might have to meet to satisfy the Magic were not known. Vander Weide acknowledged Hill and the club had some philosophical issues to iron out. Vander Weide had said the team's style of play "is one of the key things," wondering whether it could play more up-tempo. There also is a question regarding Hill's use of personnel, particularly young players such as rookie J.J. Redick. Smith said recently that Jameer Nelson likely couldn't be regarded as the Magic's point guard of the future playing in the current offensive system. A column item in the New York Post last week said Hill's departure was imminent. Sources told the Sentinel on Saturday that Hill was still the coach of the Magic, and that the club had not contacted any coaching candidates to replace him. Hill had spent at least part of last week at his condo in New Smyrna Beach. "Brian's calm, pretty calm about all this," said one source who had spoken recently with Hill. I just had an idea. Why doesn't Brian Hill agree to hire an offensive coordinator!(lol) http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/local/orl-magic06...orl-sports-headlines

It was only Game 1 but we certainly competed with the Pistons better than the Bulls. So far it's a total mismatch! Interesting?

Here's a quote from the Florida Today and John Denton: quote: "I really think we have to re-think how we use a 6-foot point guard in our system," said Vander Weide, who left Orlando Thursday and returned to his home in Grand Rapids, Mich. "We're not sure what Jameer is (a starter or reserve), but we know he's good for this franchise." See to me, this is the key. Our point guard play. I don't care what coach you bring in here or what system, be it up-tempo or not, you still have to have a point guard to implement it. Whatever system or coach you use the point guard still has to quarterback the team, make good decisions on the floor, get others involved in the offense, have good court vision and be able to feed the post. Did Jameer do anything this year to convince you guys he can do these things? I don't see Jameer being able to do it. Anybody else agree or disagree? I hear you Knappy!(lol) To me he is a shooting guard. That's why he slipped in the draft after being named the college player of the year. Other GM's saw the same thing. To further, with an up-tempo offense like Otis is talking about wanting I could see more turnovers next year then this year. Don't forget, VanderWeide said Jameer was 6-foot but in actuality he is probably only 5'10 if that. I actually think Arroyo would function much better for our team in an up-tempo offense cause he doesn't turn the ball over as much. http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/...05040352/1002/SPORTS

One more thought on this subject since every thread here is on Brian Hill and frankly I'm getting tired of talking about the guy. There's no new news to report on the subject anyway. Obviously VanderWeide is not sure what to do with Nelson either, hence the statement he made before leaving to go back to Michigan. Now, it is possible that VanderWeide and Otis don't agree either. I've seen some quotes from Otis in that MC article that says he thinks Jameer can flourish in an up-tempo offense. Otis specifically used an example of the Sacremento Kings and compared Jameer as a carbon copy of Mike Bibby. Here's my problem with that I'm going strictly from the memory cells in my brain so anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Mike Bibby has been playing the point guard position his entire life. It's the same position his Dad played in college and the NBA. I would be willing to bet that when Jameer played in high school he was a shooting guard. I know in college at St. Joe's he played point guard his last 2 years and mostly shooting guard his first two years, taking turns with Delonte West as to who ran the point. Mike Bibby has been a point guard his entire life. Coaches have tried to convert Jameer to the point with marginal success. He is a natural shooting or scoring guard. Mike Bibby is a good passer. I don't see Jameer as a great passer. He almost always looks right at the person whom he is going to pass the ball too. Any good point guard knows at times you have to be deceptive with your passes. I just don't see that in Jameer. Some of my friends and I saw Jameer play in the NCAA tournament in Tampa a couple of seasons age when they played Auburn(I think). St. Joe pulled the upset. Mostly because of Jameer and mostly cause he was hitting jumpers and getting to the basket. Not because of his playmaking skills. Is Jameer a good to great scorer? Yes. Is he the next Mike Bibby? Let's just say I have some serious doubts. There is just so many more skills required into being a good point guard than shooting. Let's also don't forget Bibby is at least 6-foot tall. I honestly don't think Jameer is 5'10. Maybe 5'9? I have not seen him all year long get a defensive push from the point guard postion cause he is not capable. I actually like Arroyo better in an up-tempo offense and from a defensive standpoint also. I refer back to VanderWeide's quote in my initial post. "We have to re-think how we use a 5'10 point guard in our system". In other words, VanderWeide is not as sure as Otis is that Jameer is the point guard of the future. Just like me. If the Magic decide to go up-tempo with Jameer running the show, I have my doubts. Off the bench as a spark? I'm much more comfortable with that.

Denton just repeated what Dwight said 2 or 3 days ago. I read that this morning too but didn't post it cause it's old news. Chosen, I wouldn't put to much into this. I think the writing is pretty much on the wall. He's done. Just a matter of time.

Got this from Hoopsworld. It was written by a guy who covers the Magic. quote: Magic Backcourt Many people would like to believe that Coach Brian Hill is the biggest problem in Orlando. True as that may be, the Magic

quote: Originally posted by bhnole: quote: Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16: quote: Originally posted by bhnole: quote: Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16:Someone needs to spill the beans here! My comment was only a guess, I don't know anything new since the stuff I shared after game three. That his removal was a "Done Deal" and has been for weeks now. Oh I meant Junkie, he said he has some info! That was his info. His source has been telling him for weeks now that Brian is coming back, apparently his source is now telling him that Brian is definitely gone. First, he told me yes he was coming back. Then a couple of weeks ago he told me, not sure. Then today he e-mailed me like this, GONE!!!!!!!!!

quote: Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16:Bhnole kinda touched on this, it's tough to tell whether Jameer can work out because we haven't seen him in a system that suits his talents (or any of our PG's for that matter). We have seen a ton of undersized PG's in the league, and from what I have seen they seem to work really well as 6th men because they provide energy and push the tempo. I would like to use him like the Kings used to use Bobby Jackson or NY uses(Spontaneous) Nate Robinson. I don't want to go on the search for the "Big" PG again, I have enough Reece Gaines and Jeryl Sasser highlights to last a lifetime. As a sixth man off the bench? Marc, I'd be totally with you on that one. Who's gonna start then? One more question for thought. In our just completed sweep against the Pistons, who do you guys think would win if Chauncy Billups started at point guard for the Magic and Jameer Nelson started at point guard for the Pistons? I'll hang up and listen.(lol)