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Interesting poll NBR. I like it. Are you as surprised as me that the votes are favoring getting a new point guard first? Otis has been saying since the season ended that getting a wing scorer is priority number #1. Man, after watching Chauncy and the Pistons just demolish the Bulls I'd love to get that guy out of Pistonland although it'll never happen. At least we were more competitive with the Pistons than the Bulls. You guys know the Chicago fans were booing the heck out of Skiles and the players don't you? Thought that was interesting.

Hey Magic28, when you start a new thread on a new coaching prospect try to include his name in the thread topic. Lately, for obvious reasons, there have been numerous coaching candidate threads popping up. I started a thread on Sam Vincent this morning cause to me your thread just looked like another random thread and name. If his name was included in the title I would not have posted mine. As most do I don't click on most threads unless it peaks my interest.

quote: Magic in the mix The Mavs confirmed that the Orlando Magic has contacted Mavs assistant coach Sam Vincent about their head coaching job. Vincent, who completed his first season as a Mavs assistant, has interviewed with Charlotte and has also been contacted by Seattle. I for one made this suggestion earlier in the week. He's an ex-Magic player. He was on the first Magic team ever. I always liked his hustl and defense. Maybe somebody with more time than me can give us some background on his coaching resume. http://www.star-telegram.com/281/story/97769.html

quote: Originally posted by bhnole: quote: Originally posted by ball junkie: quote: Magic in the mix The Mavs confirmed that the Orlando Magic has contacted Mavs assistant coach Sam Vincent about their head coaching job. Vincent, who completed his first season as a Mavs assistant, has interviewed with Charlotte and has also been contacted by Seattle. I for one made this suggestion earlier in the week. He's an ex-Magic player. He was on the first Magic team ever. I always liked his hustl and defense. Maybe somebody with more time than me can give us some background on his coaching resume. http://www.star-telegram.com/281/story/97769.html That confirms that Brian would NOT be coming back then, why talk to Vincent if Brian is returning. Vincent is also an ex-teamate of Otis's as well when they both played here. Expect a press conference this afternoon. Yeah, I agree Bhnole. You beat me to it. I was just gonna post the same thing.

quote: Magic in the mix The Mavs confirmed that the Orlando Magic has contacted Mavs assistant coach Sam Vincent about their head coaching job. Vincent, who completed his first season as a Mavs assistant, has interviewed with Charlotte and has also been contacted by Seattle. I for one made this suggestion earlier in the week. He's an ex-Magic player. He was on the first Magic team ever. I always liked his hustl and defense. Maybe somebody with more time than me can give us some background on his coaching resume. http://www.star-telegram.com/281/story/97769.html

I'm going with ZaZa Pachulia and Anderson Varajeo. Chris Corchiani had a nice career too.

According to this poll, half the people that voted agree with Brian Hill that we need a new point guard. The other half that voted agree with Otis that we need a shooting guard. Interesting, I thought more people would side with Otis and a new shooting guard.

quote: Originally posted by MagicmaninMiami: quote: If it's not Brian Hill then I desperately don't want the Magic to hire a re-tread. I think it would make me puke.j/k Not sure I know what you mean by a retread. As far as I know everyone with NBA experience is a retread in that they were elsewhere and would come here. If you mean someone we already hired then you are right. Should never have hired anyone we had to let go before. Somebody new like an Ivaroni. Not someone like Adelman or your boy Van Gundy. Just my opinion so don't get offended. You know lately I've seen some new guys getting interviews. I know of two guys who are ex-Magic players that are interviewing with other teams as we speak. I haven't heard anyone talk about Sam Vincent or how about Reggie Theus? I garantee you Theus would run an up-tempo offense. Thoughts?

quote: Originally posted by MagicmaninMiami: quote: Originally posted by ball junkie:Billy Donovan is coming(I hope) so I'm exstatic about that! Calm it down dude. You run too much with commentary. Scmitz didn't report a single source. Its just all his conjecture. The facts in fact don't look good now. Take a read. HE is likely to continue to coach college http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-donovan050607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns Its just a rumour and the Magic are unlikely to give him GM power http://blogs.theledger.com/default.asp?item=595585 Wow, thanks for posting that Miami. You posted a blog from my main man Dick Scanlon. Yeah, I realize it's all conjecture at this point but I'm trying to get excited about the next coach whoever it may be. If it's not Brian Hill then I desperately don't want the Magic to hire a re-tread. I think it would make me puke.j/k Dick is a good common sense writer. Folks in Polk County have enjoyed him for years.

quote: Originally posted by davcivic:First you backed up the coach 100% saying it was all roster problems. Then you said it was 50-50 but the coach was coming back. Then you said it was more like 70-30 coaches fault. Then you said the anti-hill side won and that you where only supporting hill so you wonuld not be negative towards your team and be supportive. Then you said it because you are a coach and a comrade, so you feel it is unfair to blame the coach for all the loses and that you know how it feels. Now you are back at saying that it is still 50-50 and that BHill is a saint, well almost. You started getting out of topic and now want to go back. The media's criticism on the players is mostly coming from the local sentinel reporters, which in mine and a bunch of others here is worth as much as a shinny penny you could see in the bottom of a sewer manhole. We know how the guys can and could have played, but they where held back. That's how the players feel and that is how some of the fans feel. End of story. We all see things different and that's okay, but it is also good to try and keep one idea and not cahnge it around. I am sure you will come back and respond, which is fine. But I will drop it. I am expressing how I feel, same way you had to say something because you kept it to yourself and had to say it...I just did.... All I know is you must really prioritize my posts since you think you know everything I have been posting about the coach. The only thing in this post I'll respond to is that I said it was 70-30 coach's fault. As I've said many, many times before it's 50-50 and I'll stand by it again. I really think your kind of throwing some things in their Dav that you are speculating about. If you want to ask me about my opinion I'll be glad to clarify things for you. I did start a thread congratulating the "Fire Brian Hill" crew because their efforts seemed to pay off when I didn't think it would do a bit of good. I thought he was coming back regardless as did many others. Billy Donovan is coming(I hope) so I'm exstatic about that!

quote: Originally posted by MagicmaninMiami: quote: Ready to get back to the topic? You do like to stick your head in the sand don't you? You are the one thats been on and on about BHill and what was said of him in other threads. This thread is about Stan Van Gundy and your last 4 or 5 posts have been totally off topic. and yes there are many that would disagree that we would have any problem with talent if the coach actually played the talent we do have. where have you been? Thats why its not a 50-50 deal for most of us. Get us a coach that will play talent and we'd see Darko, JJ and even Aziza further developed and we'd actually know what Diener can do instead of letting him go without even having an intelligent answer. Get us a coach that will play talent and we'd have a jameer that would think a little bit about shooting first and often because he - egads! - might actually think his time would be reduced. Now do you have anything constructive to say about the coaches that will be here next year. Its time to get over it - Your coach is on his way through the door. This thread is about alternatives not BHill. Your a funny read!(lol) You are pretty entertaining though. My man Billy Donovan is on his way to Amway Arena and I'll be in Magic heaven!

quote: Originally posted by MagicmaninMiami:Come on BJ. Lets put a little honesty into the equation please. Anyone who has been around even a few months knows that it wasn't just the insults that made you defend Brian Hill. You have been a defender of BHill regardless of insults. You have openly indicated you thought it was a lack of talent rather than the coach that should shoulder the blame for the fiasco of this season. I for one have never called Hill by a name and I concur with Emory that I can't recall him doing that either. So essentially you are just trying to paint everyone with the same brush. Its over man. He's on his way out. Management agrees with our points but The Magic are still here and will need a coach. Can we actually discuss what this thread is about? Since you called me out Miami I'll respond. Yes, I did say I think our roster is just as much at fault as Brian and I will stand by that statment. Unless you disagree I don't think many others will. There is no doubt in "MY" mind our roster needs some definite upgrades. I still say it's 50-50. Don't waist your time trying to convince me otherwise. And yes, I started the Phil Jackson thread and I stand by it. The insults to the Coach have bothered me since it started. I even e-mailed Marc Acres about it. He can verify it if need be. The insults bothered me first so I used the crticism's of the coach to fuel the crticism's of the roster which has been well documented by the media. I stand by my statements on both issues. Ready to get back to the topic?

quote: Originally posted by emory889:I totally understand you speaking up BJ. The personal insults annoy me as well (although I have called him dumb a couple of times). The problem I have is you have posted the exact same thing in two separate threads where nothing bad was said about Hill. There's a big difference between insulting the coach and discussing possible replacements. Do you want me to start a whole new thread to explain this again?(lol) I was trying to just express myself here instead of creating a whole new thread. It kind of happened spontaneously. Do you understand the point I'm making? I think you do. That's it. And since you agreed with me I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't like insulting people's intelligence. Regardless of who it is.

This hire would make me forget about Brian Hill real fast. I don't care about all the other failures of college coaches. A young, new guy with charisma and an up-tempo offense would get me real excited! Much more so than the re-treads like Adelman, Van Gundy(etc.) It would excite many a Magic fan also!!!

quote: Originally posted by emory889:Once again BJ, no one in this thread has insulted Hill. I'm sure Solution would if you asked him nicely but still. It seems like you are trying to pick fights and then come to Hill's defense after you instigated it. I'm really not sure what your motive is. I answered you on the Stan Van Gundy thread.

quote: Originally posted by emory889:No one has said anything insulting about Hill in this thread. Actually I haven't seen a over the top Hill thread (you know Brian Hill is a angry troll) in a little while. You are fighting a battle in this thread that doesn't exist BJ. Emory, it's not in this thread but it has been going on all year long. You know how sometime's something bothers you and you don't say anything and just keep it to yourself until you can't stand it anymore. Then you finally speak up. That's what is happening here.

I actually agree with all the opinion's of the "Fire the Coach" people and their crticism's of his rotations, substitution's(etc.) Here's what has irritasted me "ALL" year long. And maybe I'm a little more sensitive to it since I still do some coaching. After every game we lost this season the board was bombarded with insults to the coach. Personal insults to his intelligence. I don't need to elaborate cause I know everyone knows exactly what I'm talking about. Does everyone understand? I agree with your coach crticism's. I wish it would just stop at that but it doesn't. A lot of people make it personal with their insults to his intelligence. I know Brian doesn't read here and most likely none of you know him. That still doesn't make it right. I still don't like it and it makes me want to defend him. I don't conduct myself like that anywhere. I may disagree but I'm not gonna insult your intelligence. Besides, there are rules on this forum for flaming and fowl language that are clearly stated at the top of the page. I hope I am clear on my feelings and people can understand where I'm coming from.

I actually agree with all the opinion's of the "Fire the Coach" people and their crticism's of his rotations, substitution's(etc.) Here's what has irritasted me "ALL" year long. And maybe I'm a little more sensitive to it since I still do some coaching. After every game we lost this season the board was bombarded with insults to the coach. Personal insults to his intelligence. I don't need to elaborate cause I know everyone knows exactly what I'm talking about. Does everyone understand? I agree with your coach crticism's. I wish it would just stop at that but it doesn't. A lot of people make it personal with their insults to his intelligence. I know Brian doesn't read here and most likely none of you know him. That still doesn't make it right. I still don't like it and it makes me want to defend him. I don't conduct myself like that anywhere. I may disagree but I'm not gonna insult your intelligence. Besides, there are rules on this forum for flaming and fowl language that are clearly stated at the top of the page. I hope I am clear on my feelings and people can understand where I'm coming from.

quote: Posted on May 9, 2007 11:13:51 AM Arena-Desperate Magic Buying Time For Billy? Call it common sense. Or call it a conspiracy theory. But here's my latest thought: The Magic are buying time to pursue Billy Donovan, which would allow them to wipe away the Brian Hill mess in one stroke. It's the only way, the most logical way, to make everthing right. Present Billy as the new Magic coach, and Brian Hill is reduced to a footnote. It's unfair to Brian, but that's business. I'm thinking that this is less about Hill and all about landing the arena deal, i.e. securing the future of Magic basketball. If the Magic bring on Billy Ball, they will again regain some footing as an NBA darling, for no coach can make a bigger splash than Donovan. They'd have Billy, salary-cap room and Dwight Howard, which equals an arena-ribbon cutting ceremony, uptick in corporate sponsor sales and sell-outs. But the Magic have needed time to pull off the coup. They need time to smoothe-talk Donovan, especially if Billy is playing golf in Ireland as some suspect. They need time to smoothe-over the hurt that GM Otis Smith will feel if they have to let him go because Donovan might want total control. Or they need time to talk Billy down from wanting to be GM, hoping he and Smith can work together. Come on. Why else does team prez Bob Vander Weide say it will take two to three weeks to make a decision on Hill, who the DeVos family has known for more than a decade? I suspect that Brian knows the score already, in some form. Hill is a company guy, and if Vander Weide says that the future of the organization hinges on the arena deal and that Billy Ball is the only thing that can surely save it . . . .Hill will have to go play along. Maybe he's not in limbo. Maybe he knows the plan. Maybe Smith does, too. It's why they can't utter a peep. So in a week or so, the Magic call a two-for-one news conference. Hill says he's retiring, and then an hour later, out pops Billy. Isn't this the Magic way? They announced John Weisbrod's "resignation" as GM, and then hours later followed with Brian Hill II. And remember how they cleaned up the toxic waste after the first Brian Hill stint? After the players ran him off, the Magic brought Chuck Daly out of retirement for $5 million a year and then added Dr. J as a community ambassador. Both moves were made to fumigate the stink surrounding Hill's ouster. See a pattern here? Can we say that perhaps this latest situation is not about Brian Hill and is bigger than Brian Hill? Does any one buy that the problems, as outlined by Vander Weide, are "style of play" and Hill's questionable use of personnel? Nah. This, maybe, just maybe, is about Billy Ball saving the day --- and the franchise. The Lakeland Ledger here in Polk County is reporting some of this also. I must agree with Brian that these thoughts have occurred to me also. http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2007/05/arenaconscious_.html

Interesting points made by Steve Kerr here. quote: "I think a lot of people are waiting to see what happens there," said Steve Kerr, former NBA player and current national television analyst with Turner Sports. "I don't know all the dynamics, but he [Hill] still could be back. It might be a little uncomfortable, but there is some precedent." Kerr likened the situation to what happened in Toronto last summer. The Raptors hired General Manager Bryan Colangelo, which immediately touched off speculation that he would fire Coach Sam Mitchell, who was going into the last year of his contract. A slow start didn't help, either. Mitchell, though, made some adjustments to his coaching style and the Raptors flourished. I'm going to tell you this because I know a lot of you have respect for Tim Povtak. I've been e-mailing with him quite frequently. I'm not going to divulge everything we spoke of but I can garantee you he is completely on the Brian Hill bandwagon and he doesn't like it one bit the way they are handling him now. Definitely makes me feel better. As I've said before, most of the venom towards Brian is just right here on these boards. He might be coming back? Who knows.

quote: Originally posted by davcivic:My answer is no. It's a stupid question. Shaq is a big ******, he will say whatever he wants. SVG is nothing like BHill. Different styles. SVG proved he could win with practically young talent and a group of then nobodies. Bhill could only win with a great cast of players around him. end of story. What a classy response. To bad most of the Brian Hill critic's have to revert to calling things stupid. Just like they do with the coach. End of story.

quote: Originally posted by ball junkie:Now, I wanna know something from you guys. Tim Povtak in his podcast tonight said he thinks Brian is gone cause management has undermined his ability to coach this team. He mentioned that Stan Van Gundy was a likely replacement. As most of you know Van Gundy took a leave of absence in the middle of last season citing he missed spending time with his family. I think most of us know reading beneath the lines what the real truth was. Shaq wanted Riley coaching whom he had much more respect for and felt Riley could take the Heat to the promised land. He didn't think Van Gundy was a championship caliber coach or Van Gundy would have continued coaching the team, in my opinion. Wouldn't that make Van Gundy a carbon copy of the coach(Brian Hill) we have now since Shaq said the exact same things about Brian? No answers to this question yet? Have you guys thought about the fact that our next coach could be worse than this one? I don't need to remind some of you of our management's decisions which is being questioned again as I speak with regard to how they are handling Brian Hill's situation. Be careful of what you wish for. Sometimes the grass is not always greener on the other side. Just food for thought.

If they part ways with Brian Hill. This is from the Gainesville Sun: quote: Other NBA sources, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the Orlando Magic would consider Donovan a candidate if the Magic decide to part ways with current head coach Brian Hill. Hill's job status is still being evaluated after Orlando went 40-42 and was swept by Detroit in the first-round of the NBA playoffs. Interesting.....? Even though most college coaches have failed in the NBA I wouldn't mind having a young fiery up-tempo guy running the show at all. Even though the Magic beat writer's have suggested contacting Donovan this is the first report I've seen verifying an interest or stating that the Magic would like to talk with him. http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20070507/GATORS02/70...coming_Billy_D_s_way

Now, I wanna know something from you guys. Tim Povtak in his podcast tonight said he thinks Brian is gone cause management has undermined his ability to coach this team. He mentioned that Stan Van Gundy was a likely replacement. As most of you know Van Gundy took a leave of absence in the middle of last season citing he missed spending time with his family. I think most of us know reading beneath the lines what the real truth was. Shaq wanted Riley coaching whom he had much more respect for and felt Riley could take the Heat to the promised land. He didn't think Van Gundy was a championship caliber coach or Van Gundy would have continued coaching the team, in my opinion. Wouldn't that make Van Gundy a carbon copy of the coach(Brian Hill) we have now since Shaq said the exact same things about Brian?

quote: Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16:Here is the rundown on Povtak's podcast. He feels like Hill will be gone because you can't take the guys legs out from underneath him and then sell it enough to bring him back. He said it is taking so long probably because the team is focused on the new arena plans and trying to get those approved. On the subject of replacements he said that Donovan would create a buzz but the history of college coaches is so bad that he feels the team will go with an experienced coach, he is thinking Stan VanGundy. Hey Marc, does Stan Van Gundy make your toes curl?(lol)