Big L

I'd settle for Pietrus and Najera. That plus a decent draft Rush/CDR would keep us headed in the right direction.

Hey, guys I'm one of those year round visitors here. I don't post much, however in the off season I do more often since the threads often die much quicker. Anyway, here are my two cents. Hedo for Calderon and a pick in a sign and trade with us. Truely I think this benefits both teams nicely. Then the MLE to Pietrus and we have already upgraded our starting 5. Then draft the best PF on the board... Possible? Maybe!

quote: Originally posted by Kberto: quote: Originally posted by ball junkie:From the Toronto Sun. A big article about trading Calderon is there best option: quote: "I would like to start and that's the most important thing,'' Calderon is quoted as saying in yesterday's edition of the Spanish daily sports newspaper El Mundo Deportivo, a sentiment he first shared with visitors to his website. But now comes the kicker. Continued Calderon in the article: "I've been two years with him but I don't know if I could be another year because things would have to change." Barring a complete personality makeover by Ford, which doesn't seem likely, nothing can change in Raptorland. That is why a change in scenery for Calderon is best for all parties concerned. People have been clamouring for a player such as Corey Maggette of the Los Angeles Clippers, an athletic wing who is capable of averaging 20 a night and attacking the rim. http://torontosun.com/Sports/Basketball/2008/05/16/5584746-sun.html After reading that i'll ask a question, if were were to trade Hedo for Calderon, would he have the same kind of feud with Jameer as he has with TJ? No, because he would come here to start. No point in trading a starter for a bench player. He'll get the nod over Meer.

As I look at our roster right now we have 3 legit starters. 1 C and 2 Sf's. I figured lets move the easier Sf to move and get back 1 of the remaining 3 positions in which we need a legit starter, and a draft pick. Now about half of the forum thinks Hedo is untouchable, so my question is how can we significantly improve our roster while keeping Hedo long term? Do we want to be the Suns or the Spurs? Keep in mind the salary cap, that Hedo has a player option on the last year of his contract, and realistic trades. Also the fact that we have 5 open roster slots to fill and potentially 7, w/ Bogans and Foyle having player options.

quote: Originally posted by jack l j:d12 i am down with all of it except reverse the order. jacklj I thought Hansborough was going to stay in college? However, I like him.

My condolences and take care of your family YFP.

quote: Originally posted by jack l j:as i look at our roster i ask myself why we lose close games to good teams. the thing that jumps out at me is "turn overs". we make bad decisions, can't execute, or play composed. in last nights game between spurs and hornets each team had about 10 each. we had over 20 against pistons i believe in the last game. if the goal is to win a championship then you must look at the leadership on the floor when the game is on the line. a good sg would help and a pf would be great but first and formost what is most important. we need a true "point guard". jacklj My thoughts exactly. I mean look at the teams left in the hunt, look at some of their pg's. Billups, Parker, Williams, Paul, Fisher (not great, but solid defender and leader) and Rondo is also a solid defender.

Is anyone awake???

As I look at our roster right now we have 3 legit starters. 1 C and 2 Sf's. I figured lets move the easier Sf to move and get back 1 of the remaining 3 positions in which we need a legit starter, and a draft pick. Now about half of the forum thinks Hedo is untouchable, so my question is how can we significantly improve our roster while keeping Hedo long term? Do we want to be the Suns or the Spurs? Keep in mind the salary cap, that Hedo has a player option on the last year of his contract, and realistic trades. Also the fact that we have 5 open roster slots to fill and potentially 7, w/ Bogans and Foyle having player options.

Quick question everyone How much did we run agaisnt Detroit? How that work out? Having a PG that can effectively run the half court and limit turnovers would have hepled us period.

quote: Originally posted by SmackDaddy: quote: Originally posted by Big L:Yeah you're right he's not a great defender but he has good size at 6'3" and is an above average defender. However, on the offensive end he is a great passer, has great court vision and a great assist to turnover ratio. Now you're talking. We could go to war agaisnt Detroit and win with that lineup. Pickup Pietrus, and play Calderon next to him in the backcourt, with Shard moving to small forward and a bruising PF acquired through the draft (Dorsey?), all anchored by Dwight and we have a very good defensive starting 5. Factor in Jameer/Dooling, Bogans/Evans, Cook, Fran, Gortat, Battie, etc coming off the bench, and I think we have a better 12 man rotation than last year.

quote: Originally posted by lp1230:I think if we are gonna go after a pg it should be one with good size and strength who can cover someone like a billups, yes we have dooling but we all know he is not pg material I'd love that too. But not many of those out there that could be had for the right move.

quote: Originally posted by Big L:Calderon Pietrus Lewis Gortat/draft PF Howard I figure I'll stick with it and give that power of positive thinking crap a try!

Calderon Pietrus Lewis Gortat/draft PF Howard

Yeah you're right he's not a great defender but he has good size at 6'3" and is an above average defender. However, on the offensive end he is a great passer, has great court vision and a great assist to turnover ratio.

quote: Originally posted by Nick Anderson 4 President:Keeping Hedo will be fine once we add a few more pieces. It's not like he's a cancer on our team that we have to get rid of. He helped us immensely this yr, don't forget that. NO, no I'm not saying lets just get rid of him. But lets face it we have duplicate talent. However, If he could allow us to get a solid PG and improve that position substancially then why not do it?

quote: Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16:I sent this one what do you think? If Rose or Beasley were a flavor of ice cream what would it be? You'll answer a million of the same question but you can't answer a single one about Orlando? You don't seem to miss any chances to take shots at the team, geez. Well played sir, well played!

I'm sold on Pietrus.

quote: Originally posted by lp1230:3 things.. 1. raptors will get rid of ford way before calderon 2. we would have way too much money invested at pg 3. Dwight will be very angry about his best friend being replced Again if you look at TJ's contract the guy is not going anywhere. Plus they risk losing Calderon if someone makes him an offer they can't match.

quote: Originally posted by DustinMyselfOff:While my first instinct was NO WAY. It must have been because of my love for Hedo because a sarting 5 of Calderon, Pietrus, Rashard, PF, and Dwight looks pretty danm good! Yes it does! Plus we would match up better agaisnt the perennial playoff teams (ie. Pistons in the east).

You guys are still the team to beat. BTW beat the Celts please!

quote: Originally posted by Miller4Prez64:I think Toronto will trade Ford and keep Calderon.....so what about trading for him? He's deff not worth Hedo, but what would you give up for him? Have you looked at TJ's contract? I don't see anyone taking that. He made 8+ this year and has 3 yrs left.

quote: Originally posted by RoBo2002: quote: It's a better offer but we are still asking them to give up a very rare thing for a piece they could get without giving up that valuable piece. Milwaukee is looking for a PG right now, they already had Ford (and had success with him)wouldn't it be possible they would give up Charlie V for him? That is just one example. Hedo is a very "rare thing" as well. He is a matchup nightmare at 6'10", can dribble, shoot, pass, rebound, hold his own on defense, everything. He is a very versitile player, but the problem is... we already got one in Shard. The way I look at it is, we have 2 good SF's and have holes in other areas. Toronto has 2 good G's and has holes in other areas. Both Hedo and Jose are player who make less money than the numbers they produce. Its a perfect fit and makes perfect sense. I dont think Toronto would give up a 1st with it though, as they will probably look to bulk up their big men in the draft. That's how I see it. I think it's a win - win trade. The pick is negotiable.

Ouch!

Calderon is a solid PG period. Good size and great passer, he fits that's why I'd do the trade. I like Hedo but having 2 Sf's in our lineup caught up to us. This would give us a 1,3 and a5 for the next decade. THen we draft a PF and use the MLE on Pietrus and we have upgraded our team.