barnettej
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Just now, jjgator said:We're probably the worst team in the NBA at this moment.
I would Up that by saying we are the worst Franchise in the NBA at this moment.
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I’m glad we have progressed as a team..... sigh.
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28 Wins Miniumun - 33 Wins Max
The draft was okay. Presents questions back to AG again. Didnt address any scoring only defense. East as bad as they might be Teams are making adjustments.
And to make matters worst, Dwight is in Charlotte where I live..... oh the irony of seeing D12 again.... smh.
Can we fast forward to next year please.
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Can someone explain to me the reasoning in firing ALL of our scouts and personell 30 days before the Draft?(if the reports are accurate). This makes me nervous as we have four picks on this year draft.
I would assume it's because the last guys were bad at drafting players.
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That's why you take Ball over Fultz..... #1 pick..... Uh-oh is that Kevin Costner calling for Ainge? "Earvin, you give me #2 and a future 1st or I will take Ball."
No Balls please.... we don't need a draft bust and a loud mouth father on the daily news cycle telling the world how his son is getting raked by whatever NBA team that doesn't cater.
Let the Lakers take him and the laughs continue.
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You know it would be one thing if we were not so loaded on the Bigs. Maybe we could flip one and our late pick for a mid round one. We definitely need a PG, who can pass and score. Definitely need a shooting guard. If we are set on Gordon and Mario, then we shouldn't focus on the SF or PF position, same can be said at C... but I know a lot of people are not sold on Vuc.
I like this years college group, but with every year it all comes down to one main thing... transition. Can they (the group of potential NBA prospects) transition their game into the NBA and find their nitch. McCollum and Curry took time to do this, but were able to effectively do it.
Another thing to keep in mind is the landscape of the NBA today and the way out division is built. If we can find a mismatch in the draft that could really expose our opponents, then that's a great pick.
There are a lot of players that could help us, I think it will be a good draft that will produce some talent. I like Monk at 6, but if there are better players that fit what we are going to do, then let's pull the trigger and hope it works this time.
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I didn't watch the Massacre at the Gardens last night. Not because I was busy or had to take care of my daughters, but because I know the ending. However I did not see this coming though, which is the consistent epic beat down. Brought to you by another super team if you will and Miami repeat, just replace Allen with Korver.
Reading the headlines and tweets I get a sense that no on else did either, which is really, really, really bad. This time of the year the NBA should have its prime moments with more people paying attention and watching. Instead the people are just waiting for the inevitable finals matchup game 7, minimizing the whole NBA season to a 2 team showdown that was foreseen.
If no one is watching then money isn't flowing. Why sponsor you when everyone is watching something else. So this begs the question:
Are Super Teams and Blow Out Wins good for the NBA?
-I'm gonna start by saying no, because it shows there is no league balance. And if your team isn't a super team, then it's not gonna be fun at the end. For the past ... 6 years or so... you can pick the finals matchups before the season starts. In a way I see the league as watered down. I don't think it's good for business either and I'm sure it has to hit the pockets of the NBA at some point.
Thoughts?
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Monk at 6 .... which I think he will be
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I have always said that the lottery system is out of date and needs to follow conventional wisdom like the NFL
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I'm sad as well... hopefully we can still draft monk at 6....
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6th pick... uh such a bummer really.
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Monk then Bacon..... those are my first round picks that would instantly raise this team.
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Until we fire Martins, it won't matter who we hire. The next GM will be under the same rules as the last one, and the one before that...... the root cause to this failing franchise is still collecting paychecks and making decisions while hold the fewest wins out of all NBA Presidents....
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And my job is done... Good Bye Rob, you were horrible.
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im not sure what it would take to get the value of an nba team below 500 million.
Another 5 years of this and it will definitely happen. Keep Martins, I need a good price!
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It will be making the decisions after I buy the team because the Devos are incompetent in the NBA world.
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But it's okay though... if the Devos continue to be dumb then I will buy the team.
At some point they will be so bad the price will be cheap
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Yes he does and not just because of the past 5 years but by the way he handles adversity when he is toe to toe with. The whole Billy thing was bad, lucky we were able to "steal" SVG, then Martin handle SVG bad and Dwight.
Out of the staff he has put in place and the picks they have selected, I can see we hit one pick out of the park in Dwight, had some solid picks after in Nelson, JJ and Victor... but other than that... the rest hasn't done much in terms of making this team a threat.
And that's Martins job, to hire the folks to make a threat team that's going to fill seats and endorsements.
This has been the worst 5year stretch our franchise has had. Martins owns this.
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I'll concede the Iguodala move on one point - I was mistaken in my history and was mistakenly remembering the Howard trade as when we had already drafted Oladipo. Iguodala could have been paired with Oladipo, but we didn't have him at that point, so sure, trading for a vet on an expiring deal wouldn't have done much to build for the future.
However, we haven't been able to pair our young talent - which we have - with any supplemental talent, and as such, we continue to waste away in the lottery spinning our wheels, not doing anything.
The highest draft pick on Golden State is a #7. We've had 3 picks higher than that with nothing to show for it. Klay was not a top 10 pick, Draymond was not even a first round pick.
The Spurs haven't had a lottery pick in over a decade. Their last lottery pick is now retired, and they are still a top contending team with a bunch of low picks.
Miami built their championships around superstar free agents. Without Shaq, or later LeBron and Bosh to help out Wade, Wade has zero championships and not much success in the league.
Nowsitzki was a #9 overall pick for Dallas. Again, we have had far higher picks than that with nothing to show for it.
Kobe Bryant was not even a top 10 pick, and was acquired by the Lakers for Vlade Divac. They then paired him with a superstar in Shaq via free agency, and later, Kobe led the Lakers to 2 more championships with free agent acquisitions such as Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom.
The Pistons won their championship without the aid of a top draft pick. Their roster was built of castoffs from other teams and assembled to a championship and a 2nd Finals appearance.
So of the past 20 years, the only teams that were molded by the "tank" philosophy of sucking for the highest possible picks, were Cleveland (drafting Kyrie, trading Wiggins for Love), Chicago (drafting Jordan and Pippen), and kinda sorta the Spurs, who didn't "tank", their all time center went out that season with injury, and so their pick of another all time player was instantly paired with a returning all time center to create a very dominate duo.
You have the Lakers (5 championships), the Pistons (1 championship), the Mavericks (1 championship), the Warriors (1 championship), and the Heat (3 championships), who were built outside of the draft.
That's 11 of the last 20 championships that were won without the draft.
And that's giving you the 5 Spurs championships which are more of an anomaly to the whole "tank" philosophy, as the core of that team, outside of Duncan, were all low drafted players. Ginoboli, 2nd round. Parker, 28th overall. Leonard, 15th overall.
So really, that's 16 of the last 20 championships that haven't built via the "tank" philosophy, and haven't needed to "suck" for higher draft picks to win championships.
That leaves you with the last 2 Bulls championships (Jordan and Pippen), the Celtics (trading high picks for Allen and Garnett), and the Cavaliers (drafting Kyrie and trading Wiggins for Love)
Hennigan has had the draft picks. And I think that most of us would even agree that he's done as well as possible with those picks. So what's missing? Putting the talent around them.
As every single one of these championship franchises have done. They don't continue to tank. They draft a guy, and then put talent around him.
The last 20 years of championship history completely contradict your entire "tank" philosophy, yet you continue spouting it as if it's some kind of competent and viable team building strategy.
You are wrong.
Damn this was a savage post... +1 for this.
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Wait the Magic are still playing???????
Thought we threw in the towel way earlier, like game 1.
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The money is there.
It's the w's and that one special talent that's lacking.
True, but I was saying that we cannot stay the course because eventually it will effect the money. So we should not keep Rob. We need to move on and like you said work on getting talent and some w's
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So?
Even Martins knows that winning puts money into the business and that without it, it definitely impacts the business and makes it hard to attract your fans and loyalty which comes with easy endorsements from bigger companies because of the bigger turn outs, and when it comes time to renew with the city; that it won't be pooped on by having a garbage team.
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They've actually made money the last 5 years. And our attendance this year is good for 15th in the league.
It's a tribute to our fans in that they understand how we're rebuilding," Martins said. "They've bought into it. But at the end of the day, there comes a time when you have to win in order to maintain loyalty, in order to continue to grow business, in order to sell your building out every night, which is one of the ultimate measures of success from a business standpoint. So our expectation is that we're reaching a point where we need to win and we need to be competing for a playoff spot."
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You're one of the most emotional posters here man.
Yes I am but I also am able to drop it and look at from a different view. In this case money. And what's being lost.
Payton4thewin: I'm just going to start typing my responses in your comments. This year was the most profitable year for the franchise in over a decade and we've been more profitable over the last 5 years than the previous 5 years.
Damn it you can't hack the system P4W.... lol... good work around though.
2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread
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Maybe we can get Rob Hennigan back, I heard he is back with OKC.... I guess that Victor Trade was for him and his boys..... Devos need to sell this franchise to someone who is competent.