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quote: Originally posted by Kramer: quote: Originally posted by jackie69: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by ironarrow: quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan:Paying 8-10 mil for a guy like Hedo is nothing, it is a lot better than paying 18-23 mil a year for a guy who can only shoot the ball. That's interesting logic. "I overpaid massively on my house, so I should go ahead and spend way too much on my car as well. Fair is fair." American economics, ladies and gentlemen! I don't know what your job is but I am gonna go ahead and give you a little example. After I am finished, if you still don't see how ridiculous your logic is then I will need to go no further. I used to work as a graphic designer for a company. We were 3 designers in the office on the same table. We were all doing the same job and were all getting the same salary. If any of the other guys had got paid more than me I would have been more than pissed. I guess you would feel the same. I wouldn't care if the company (by a naive mistake) overpaid the other designer. All I think at that point would be does he deserve that much more than me? If not; bye bye to that company. I would never do more work for less money than any other guy who works under the same roof. Do you think Rashard is 3 times better than Hedo? If you do, then I will seriously will not spend another unnecessary word. Rashard is not Wade! He is getting an undeserved and ridiculous amount of money. If Hedo is worth 10m than considering recent performances Rashard is not worth a penny more than 10m. If Rashard gets 20+ and Hedo asks for more than 10m, then I don't think you can blame him. Personally, I wouldn't want to stay in Orlando under these circumstances even If they pay the same money as Portland. My criteria would be the comparison with the team's other stars. Not a comparison with my previous contract! I am not Hedo, but If I was: I would never stay in Orlando for that funny amount unless Rashard starts playing like Wade or Lebron! Your comparison would be true if shard and hedo were in the same fa class. Saying shard makes $X and does Y amount of work vs hedo making less than $X and doing Y+ amount of work doesnt make sense given the different markets that the salaries are taking place in. Its like saying The Knicks gave Jerome James something like $8 million a year. Gortat looks to be better than Jerome James so the Knicks should offer him more than $8 million a year. So, Rashard is in the same FA class as Kobe, Lebron and Wade? LoL.... There are more Stephon Marbury's and Allen Iverson's than there are Lebron and Wades. Face it, Rashard isn't that overpaid, Lebron is that underpaid. The max salary is a max salary. It is used by every team in a league featuring a handful of players who completely dominate. Are you serious by saying Rashard isn`t that overpaid? I mean, really, are you serious?

quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by ironarrow: quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan:Paying 8-10 mil for a guy like Hedo is nothing, it is a lot better than paying 18-23 mil a year for a guy who can only shoot the ball. That's interesting logic. "I overpaid massively on my house, so I should go ahead and spend way too much on my car as well. Fair is fair." American economics, ladies and gentlemen! I don't know what your job is but I am gonna go ahead and give you a little example. After I am finished, if you still don't see how ridiculous your logic is then I will need to go no further. I used to work as a graphic designer for a company. We were 3 designers in the office on the same table. We were all doing the same job and were all getting the same salary. If any of the other guys had got paid more than me I would have been more than pissed. I guess you would feel the same. I wouldn't care if the company (by a naive mistake) overpaid the other designer. All I think at that point would be does he deserve that much more than me? If not; bye bye to that company. I would never do more work for less money than any other guy who works under the same roof. Do you think Rashard is 3 times better than Hedo? If you do, then I will seriously will not spend another unnecessary word. Rashard is not Wade! He is getting an undeserved and ridiculous amount of money. If Hedo is worth 10m than considering recent performances Rashard is not worth a penny more than 10m. If Rashard gets 20+ and Hedo asks for more than 10m, then I don't think you can blame him. Personally, I wouldn't want to stay in Orlando under these circumstances even If they pay the same money as Portland. My criteria would be the comparison with the team's other stars. Not a comparison with my previous contract! I am not Hedo, but If I was: I would never stay in Orlando for that funny amount unless Rashard starts playing like Wade or Lebron! Your comparison would be true if shard and hedo were in the same fa class. Saying shard makes $X and does Y amount of work vs hedo making less than $X and doing Y+ amount of work doesnt make sense given the different markets that the salaries are taking place in. Its like saying The Knicks gave Jerome James something like $8 million a year. Gortat looks to be better than Jerome James so the Knicks should offer him more than $8 million a year. So, Rashard is in the same FA class as Kobe, Lebron and Wade? LoL....

quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery: quote: Originally posted by TURBEY:Butler played 2 min more, not 3 in the regular season... Hedo played 38.9 min in the playoffs (butler played 38.6 in the regular season), Hedo's TO is 2.67 in the playoffs, and TO's wont change a lot with playing more like 3-5 minutes... Any more questions? quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery: quote: Originally posted by TURBEY:2008/09 season stat's Butler 3.13 TO per game, his career 2.31 TO per game Turk 2.65 TO per game, his career 1.65 TO per game anymore questions? quote: Originally posted by TheRevTy:If Hedo Turkoglu truly has the handles everyone makes him out to have, how do you explain him being second on the team in turnovers, only .3 per game behind Dwight? Caron Butler: TOV% 14.3 Hedo Turkoglu: TOV% 14.6 The reason Caron Butler had more turnovers than Hedo did was because he had the ball a lot more(as evidenced by his higher usage rate), and played 3 more minutes a game. Hell, Dwade had more turnovers than either of them. Does that mean Wade has no handles? So wait, you're saying that he played 2 more minutes a game but his TOs stayed mostly the same. That must surely destroy my argument. After all, there's no way he was handling the ball less in the playoffs than he did in the regular season. USG% 23% Playoff USG%: 21.2% So his usage rate went down to 92% of what it was. So at the same minutes as he had in the regular season, he'd have had: 2.392 TOs in the regular season in 36.6mpg. Adjust that to the 38.9 and you get 2.54. So adjusted for usage rate and minutes, Hedo averaged .1 TO per game less in the playoffs than he did in the regular season. Are you willing to concede your argument was circumstantial gibberish, or should I make this argument look even more ridiculous by pace adjusting them too? I have been reading this forum for the last 2 years and i honestly did not see you make any comments to a thread if Hedo is not on the title. Since you like mentioning numbers can you give me how many of your 5068 posts are not realted to Hedo? I am not going to ask in how many of them you mentioned something good about Hedo. LoL......

quote: Originally posted by richnba:That was minnesota being retarted. Noway Otis is stupid enough to sign Hedo to 10 mil. I think you guys will be very very surprised about the money that he will be offered by both Orlando and several other teams as well. I say no lesss than 12 mil per year...

quote: Originally posted by Wescoat:Am I the only one who would be happy to see him go? His agent is speaking as if he won't return to orlando, at least that is what I've percieved from his words and tone. Let him go and sign a true PF. We don't need a terrible defender. So, if you don`t want a terrible defender, first you should get rid of Rashard and Jameer. On the other hand Hedo is the main core of offense of this team...

quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery:Every time I read a Sheridan article, I wind up laughing that he gets paid to write them. I think I saw the exact same scenarios presented on this message board twice a week for the last 3 months. And I still don't care. And nobody cares about you...

Nelson cannot takeover the playmaking duty. He is not that type of a guy...

Activating Jameer definitely has COST us the championship. Admit it or not, that`s the truth....

quote: Originally posted by 3 years left: quote: Originally posted by Guardian: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan:I look at Shard and he has played well offensively but defensively is a joke. He is by far the worst defender on this team. He can't defend the sf because he does not move laterally well, he cant defend the PF beause he is soft and not aggressive. He has been dominated by Thaddeus Young, Big Baby outplayed him most of the series and only held his own in Cleveland. He does not rebound and probaby gives up 5 offensive rebounds a game because of a lack of focus and effort. Don't even get me started on his rotations which are non existent. He makes way to much money for what he does and his age, we could have used that money to sign Dwayne wade which would have made this team a dynasty equal to the Lakers and Spurs teams. If we could move him to get Wade in 2010 I say do it and I can suffer through a mediocre year next year. You forgot to add: Laziest player ever. Has this guy ever dove for a loose ball? Also has anyone ever seen a player take it so weak to the basket? He's just a good spot up shooter and that's it. I for one, have had my fill of Marshard Lewis. The man has played better than any other lame on this team. Dwight doesn't play a whole 48 ever. Hedo is awful to me. He needs to be traded and upgraded. You want to talk about someone with no defense then look no further than Hedo. Lee is a rookie. Peitrus is dumb. the coach is stubborn and INEXPERIENCED in this situation. So blame Rashard all you want, but this team doesn't even make it out the first round without him. You know he is the best player because the Lakers game planned to take him out the game. When have they ever done that to anyone else on this team? Hedo is by far a better defender than Shard. And Hedo is the only one who can handle the ball and pass on this team. You have to be ignorant or not have any sense of basketball to not to realize this fact. Rashard is nothing more than a jump shooter. What else he can do? Pass-no, Dribble-hell no, defed-no. And did i mention that he is a 118 million guy that is paid to just shoot. And at the most important game of the season he got 3 points during the regular time. That is INEXCUSABLE....

quote: Originally posted by jackie69: quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery: quote: Originally posted by iddelen: quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery:Math is awesome: 5 points in 4:49 = 1 point per 57.8 seconds. 9 points in 7:11 = 1 point per 47.9 seconds. We blew our lead because anything less than 2 points a minute, or a point every 30 seconds, is reasonably lousy for a professional basketball team, and because our defense was allowing an average of a point every 24 seconds. And since we want to talk about lead changes, we started the quarter up 12. Which means in the 4:49 Hedo was in to start the quarter, we were outscored by 7, or we were outscored by 1.45 points per minute. After Hedo left, we were outscored by 9 over 7:11. That's us being outscored roughly 1.25 points per minute. So yes, I am serious. Numbers count. It is, in fact, one of their primary functions. You can ignore me if you want, but the only alternative reality I'm living in is the one where basic math applies. DOM, the problem I have with your calculation is that you apply your basic math only to a very specific period of the game, which can provide the results you

quote: Originally posted by richnba:lol, yes Meer cost us the series he single handley came into the game and destroyed the gaemplan, he has doen nothing right. My god get over yourselves. It is amazing what losing can do to people, Meer is so obviously the scapegoat right now its not even funny. Yes we have lost two tough games one blowout lets blame it all meer, its his fault. AJ would of done better? And what in god's name do we have to base this on? It is easy to say AJ would of done better, but judging by the 100 or so other games this year, I will storngly disagree on that point. And also if Rafer from the streets of NY cant take not playing and his ego is hurt. Poor guy, get over it, he is a baller first and foremost and if his "ego" is shaken, and he doesnt come to play hard in game 5, there is no place for him on this team. Definitely, the blame is on SVG not only for activating Jameer but not using the rotation wisely. He put the guy for the whole second quarter in the first game and we know what happened. Then, he does not learn from his own mistakes and keep the guy on the floor for the whole 4th quarter and OT at the most critical game of the season. Saying " He was not playing well but he also was not hurting us" is pure PATHETIC. He hurt us and hurt us very badly. No offense, no defense, can not run the floor, can not pass the ball, all he did was to take the ball to the halfcourt and hand it to Hedo.

quote: Originally posted by MagicFanBen:Seriously Fendi get a freaking life. I can understand closing a thread here and there that are getting no responses, but geesh man you and other mods are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy over stepping your bounds closing all the threads. Such utter B.S. +100000000000

quote: Originally posted by i HATE Rich DeVos:we know dwight blows goats from the line. I blame SPAZZoglu that guy has no f***ing clue how lazy he really is. Give me 10 mil a season and i can turn the ball over and half@$$ some important free throws. I also blame that Cork soaking announcer Breem, it seemed like he was trying to invoke the dreaded "broadcaster's i know the economy is really tough right now but our free throw coach should be fired then tarred and feathered. F*** this team for making me think that they were something other than they werejinx" Are you f***ing serious by blaming Hedo. You are pathetic and idiot. He was the only player that played well tonight you moron. Where was Rashard Lewis that you pay 17 million? Where was your super Mickey Mouse Jameer? We saw what happened to your offense when Hedo was on the bench during the 3rd quarter. Remember that because that will be the exact case when Hedo is going to leave you losers next year......

This guy is a shooter. He is getting paid insanely to just shoot the ball. And during the most critical game of the season he finishes the 4th aurter with 3 POINTS. There is no excuse for that...

1. SVG (Even if he played Jameer for all of the fourth quarter, he should have took him during the last possession and put Courtney Lee in.) 2. Rashard (You are being paid 17 million for 3 points during a finals game?) 3. Dwight (Not only the free throws but also many turnovers stupid plays and not keeping the ball high enough when he got the ball in the paint.)