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2 hours ago, ball junkie said:Good post Dan …comps he lists are Anthony Edwards, Paul George, JR Smith …I don’t know how any Magic fan can watch that and not salivate …none on the others have comps to this level .
Words like “DOG” and “GYM RAT” …sure bodes well for future development …Weltham …don’t be the guy who passes up and regrets it down the road …just sayin’
I'm about locked in to taking Jabari #1. But do you think the Kings or Blazers would be open to a trade? We have some assets available Ross, Issac, Markelle, Cole, Bamba, Bulls 2023 pick. What would entice them to give up a lotto pick and get us Sharpe?
I like Fran, Suggs, Carter Jr and our #1 as our core pieces. Everyone else is available for the right deal.
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On 5/11/2022 at 12:17 PM, Soul Bro said:Rumors are surfacing that the Jazz may be open to trading some of their complementary pieces like O’Neale. If that’s true, we’d be wise to jump all over that. O’Neale is the exact type of versatile vet we need as a big 3 and D guy.
Read this: “O’Neale’s utility on the defensive side of the ball is not only by far the best on the team - his adaptability on that end of the floor rates him as one of the most versatile defenders in the league today. Per crafted nba, his “versatility” rating is 76 (0-100 scale), comparable with players like Robert Covington (71), Draymond Green (75), and Mikal Bridges (77).
It’s one thing to be tasked with guarding four different positions regularly. It’s another thing to grab that assignment and spike it into the ground like Gronk at the Super Bowl.”
https://www.slcdunk.com/platform/amp/2021/2/24/22293105/royce-oneale-ultimate-3-and-d-glue-guy-all-defensive-team-all-nba-utah-jazz
From what I understand, O’Neale has two more years left on his deal at under 10k/year. I’d give up some package around Cole, Chuma or one of our high second rounders.I love Royce Oneale and maybe this trade breaks the Shaq curse!!! ;-)
These type of strategic moves move your team and roster forward.
I'd go T.Ross, (Hampton or Chuma) and our highest 2nd rounder for Oneale and Rudy Gay.
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1 hour ago, The Neighborhood Bully said:I think I just want to move on from Mo. He still has holes in his game and could be expensive to match. Let someone else take that risk and we can get a guy for MLE or 2nd round of draft to replace him. Another thing to mention is there are rumors about his attitude and work ethic and he didn't really step up and get better until his contract year this year. He didn't do enough to justify being a lotto pick and I just see his consistency being a problem for rest of his career. He'll be a backup somewhere and maybe that's where he will excel.
And lastly maybe Coach Mosley was tanking and that was the reason, but I also don't won't throw out two starting centers again with him and WCJr. I think even though the +/- didn't always show it ...this the league has changed so much that throwing two bigs out there for long periods is a recipe to lose. The experiment worked in small batches, don't make it a long term thing where Magic fans have to watch that crap again next year.
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8 hours ago, Albert Lergier said:A lot of respect for Terrance Ross....The Human Torch !!!!!!!!!!
He deserves to play for a CONTENDER....for a West Conference contender, like the Warriors or Suns.
Let's see what the FO can negotiate....should be co-winners at least. Team gets cap relief after next season.
My one rule is that he is not allowed to play with a Lebron team. I can just see him going full Ray Allen in Game 6 and getting Bron another ring. Nope I'd take a lesser 2nd round draft pick to keep that from happening.
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2 hours ago, CTMagicUK said:If we fall to like 4th or 5th I'd take a long look at Dyson Daniels. He's mocked later lotto mostly but I think he'll climb as we approach draft time, allegedly he's a legit 6'8 as a guard with a lot of physical tools and showed a decent amount in the G League this year at 19. (This is going to get hate because people will look up his stats and see his 3P%)
Can we avoid the Aussie's from here on out? I feel like they get too much sun/radiation out that way and are a bunch of basket cases or they just end up as busts.
Andrew Bogut, Kyrie Irving (Although plays for Team USA), Ben Simmons, Dante Exum
Maybe Giddey will turn into something, waiting for him to go full Ben Simmons in three years and demand a trade
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On 4/1/2022 at 10:34 AM, JJZFL said:There’s always “the next great thing” right around the corner. That mindset can lead to decades of futility.
Exactly we could be in a cycle of losing. I'm not as sold on the 2023 class. There has been talk of "great" classes in the past 2007, 2008, 2010, 2014. I think we pretty much get the same amount of stars in each draft with most players never living up to their potential.
I'd like us to go all in one of these PF's Smith, Banchero, Holmgren to pair up with Franz and WCJ. Hopefully one is a stud and you also hope that one of Suggs, Fultz, Cole, Hampton turns into that superstar PG to pair with them, but not holding my breath on that. We need one really great hit with someone, and then to be good enough with the rest of our guys that other allstar players want to sign with us again...that's how we end the cycle of losing and create a championship window.
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On 4/16/2022 at 4:00 PM, crisby pancakes said:Yep, we have a lack of talent all over. You take the best player available and figure out who is worth keeping and who isn't once the fo are ready to stop aiming for lottery picks.
I agree with this. You take BPA and let it sort itself out. OKC with Durant, Harden, Westbrook, Ibaka was a exception to the rule. Most rebuilds don't end with every lottery pick becoming part of core. They usually look for a star to build around and package the others for something better. Look at the Sixers they had lots of picks and Embiid, Okafor, Noel, Simmons, and Fultz. They came out of it all with Embiid and Simmons (whom was just traded for Harden). The Lakers moved all their lotto guys Ingram, Ball, Russell, Hart, Randle (renounced) for essentially AD.
We are basically looking for a superstar to emerge/develop out of Fultz, Anthony, Franz, Suggs, 2022 draft. And if you get a 2nd allstar out of that then very successful rebuild...otherwise package what you can for guys that can make that superstar better. If Issac and Carter Jr. develop they could also be nice icing on the cake. The main thing is to get a good enough team that other good players want to sign here to play with that superstar.
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We are really close to locking in top odds of 14%. We've already got 11.5% chance of winning. This seems like a Magic year to win the draft.3 PF's are all at the top and none have separated be the top pick.
Team > Odds for No. 1 Pick
- Team 1 > 14.0%
- Team 2 > 14.0%
- Team 3 >14.0%
- Team 4 > 11.5%
- Team 5 > 11.5%
- Team 6 > 9.0%
- Team 7 > 7.5%
- Team 8 > 4.5%
- Team 9 > 4.5%
- Team 10 > 4.5%
- Team 11 > 1.8%
- Team 12 > 1.7%
- Team 13 > 1.0%
- Team 14 > 0.5%
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10 hours ago, crisby pancakes said:Sigh, Isaac has had surgery on his hamstring. Yet another setback in this never ending saga.
Maybe the Exhibit 3 verbiage in his contract isn't what we thought it was. I would have thought we would have activated it by now and cut him loose to save $17.4 million a year. Maybe they feel really strong that he will recover fully and come back next year with a boom...might be worth one more chance for Weham? I have that sinking horrible gut feeling that Issac is always going to be injured like McDyess, Greg Oden situation.
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6 minutes ago, Babir_9 said:Are we going to buy out G Harris?
It would be better to hold on to him till Draft night and see if they can dump a big expiring salary for additional assets. But I also like the idea of keeping his bird rights and bringing him back for a similar deal TRoss got. I'm also disappointed we didn't move TRoss or Bamba today.
Funny thing is we were thinking about Bol Bol instead of RJ in the Aaron Gordon deal last year and now we got both.
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On 1/21/2022 at 5:31 PM, Soul Bro said:Ugh. That'd be a waste. It'd be one thing if they were stars, but both guys actually need reps to develop.
Does anyone have any recent updates on JI or Kelle? I agree that they need the reps...would be a waste at this point to sit them out the season. We're a top 4 lottery teams odds with or without them. Might as well bring them back and find out if we are moving forward with them as core peices.
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15 hours ago, TrueMagicFanSince1987 said:I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing how it works because in theory you’re right it would be hard for the opposing defense to contain since they can’t double team both of them at the same time. I’m just worried we are stunting the development of our younger guys playing Ross the valuable minutes other players could get. I wouldn’t be against signing Gary Harris to a reasonable team friendly deal seeing as he has found his rhythm and is playing pretty well for us. We need to trade Ross before the deadline and get at least a 2nd round pick for him.
Yes same here. I want to see what Cole does off the bench with Ross, but also want to see Ross moved to see what younger guys can do. If we got Harris back on a lesser Ross like deal, that would be great, I feel like the Kings, Raps, Wolves, Pels, Hawks or Knicks could jack up the price for Harris. Maybe our competition. Cole's had some monster game this year, but it looks like since he's gotten back from injury (maybe was happening before that) that he's negatively effecting the progress of team mates when he's on the floor. If that continues you have to bench him.
The NFL and NBA are very different when it comes to development. We can look at the Jags at QB and see Lawrence making improvement, it only take a season and a half to evaluate whether this guy is making enough improvements to be a franchise cornerstone. In the NBA because the season is so long you have inconsistent performances and injuries that push that development out for years.It can take 3 years before we know if a guy is worth moving forward with. Even with Bamba's 32 yesterday, I think we've seen enough inconsistencies to know this guy has an attitude with being a backup and hasn't put the work in to be a reliable cornerstone. RJ we're still evaluating, I'm not ready to give up on him, but I think he is gone. I think Chuma is another one that you resign for the right price, but don't care enough to match if someone outbids you in Restricted Free Agency. For me it's Suggs, Fran, WCJr as the core and hopefully Fultz and Issac can compliment that into something special.
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19 hours ago, All Eyes On Me said:Agreed. Hopefully the young fellas make it easy on us for the most part, but to your point, there’s no way Markelle, Cole and Suggs are all here long term
I'd like to see how Fultz does with Suggs. If it's a better option then Cole Anthony black hole since he got back from injury then I would include Cole in any trade with Ross or Bamba to get some quality return. If Fultz isn't the same pre-injury then we cut our losses include his salary in any trade. Forced to roll with Cole, Suggs until something better comes along. Still haven't given up on R.J. , but getting close.
I do think Suggs, Franz are our long term future with WCJr as a core piece unless someone better emerges. Hopefully Issac comes back with no more injuries, but prepared he may not be here either.
19 hours ago, All Eyes On Me said:Coach Moseley into the Covid protocols… what a season…
That kind of season.
...for All Nba teams.
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3 hours ago, jmmagicfan said:I did consider that, but unless we are seriously considering using Hampton as a PG in the future, are we really benefitting him or are we taking time away from his development at positions he is better suited/going to play in the future. I see him as much more of a SG/SF, so I'm worried him spending so much time trying to play backup PG might frustrate him and stunt his growth for what should be his actual position(s). Also, how much is not having a true, healthy, backup PG hurting the guys on the second unit? We've all noticed/commented on Chuma's play so far this year, but how much of that is the team on the floor with him?
Maybe I'm the lone wolf on this sentiment, but I don't see any issues with playing R.J. at PG. This year is about player development and the youngin's learning to play together. Nothing wrong with playing him at PG and working on those skills. He'll be even better at SG/SF having gone through it. The Thunder threw Harden at PG and KD at SG for one season. Didn't work out, but maybe they are better players for it.
If we continue to have bad results into year 2 of this rebuild then yes, let's make changes. One season won't kill us. They learn from each other this year, work on their games and we add better role players next year to boost this core.
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On 11/3/2021 at 6:48 PM, hootie249 said:Isaac is being protected. No doubt about it but hey, i have to start giving these guys credit. They know forwards.
Definitely weird him not being back yet. Maybe his camp/Magic doctors wants to be sure he is fully healed before sending him out there. The verbiage is strong in his contract, if he can't come back from his knee or re injures it then Magic can void his deal.
From John Hollinger~ "Isaac’s deal might be even better than Anunoby’s depending on his health. Let’s start there because Orlando wisely hedged against it in two ways. First of all, there are the incentives — $2.6 million each year — that he only receives if he plays in at least 70 games (or the pro-rated equivalent if we change from an 82-game schedule). Second, sources tell The Athletic that his contract contains an “Exhibit 3,” which could limit or eliminate his salary protection based on an injury to a certain body part. That body part would almost certainly be his left knee that just suffered a torn ACL."
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3 minutes ago, TrueMagicFanSince1987 said:Agree with you here on the scoring front but Fultz can most certainly out produce Cole in the assists and defensive department. He’s a better passer, playmaker, and defender than Cole and that’s what we need in our starting 5. Bringing Cole off the bench as our 6th man would allow him to keep looking for his shot and help our lackluster 2nd unit out in the process.
I think that hinges on Fultz still having his explosiveness. Some guys are not the same after blowing their ACL. If Fultz lack the quickness to keep up Defensively then he is useless to this team. I think Cole maybe has passed him and should start. And again maybe we revisit Issac or Fultz for Ben Simmons if we need someone to just be a better playmaker. Simmons is a way better defender then Fultz and I think a great fit with Franz, Cole and Suggs.
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What a win!!!! Franz steal of the draft!!!!
It seems we are going to live or die by Cole this year, right now PER has him as a top 10 PG in the league, craziness. Is he really better then Fultz?
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Franz looking like Dirk with Defense!!! Very happy with him. :)
I'm not worried on Suggs, he'll figure it out.
TRoss may have the worst Plus/Minus ratio in the NBA this season. RJ our 2nd least efficient player after five games.
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Wow, what is Philly doing at this point? They really messed up by throwing him under the bus after playoffs and not trading him while offers were high. The longer this drama goes on the more likely they are taking .25 cents on the dollar. Apparently they just turned down a offer centered around Lavert and Brogdon. I don't know why the Pacers would offer both, but Morey's stupid if they turned that down.
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2 hours ago, All Eyes On Me said:That’s a super affordable deal. Wow. Probably not the greatest sign for Mo, but we shall see
Great deal!!! Even if Bamba turns into a stud and turns the corner than we have WCJ as very attractive trade asset. Mo is going to have significantly step up his game this year to beat him out.
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2 hours ago, All Eyes On Me said:I honestly think we already have a ton of evidence on this and we’re just afraid to admit the truth. I’d love to be wrong though
Yep, unfortunately for every Joel Embiid there are two or three cases like Antonio Mcdyess that just are injury prone and can't stay on the court.... and the bizarre cases like Brandon Roy where there just nothing left of that knee. The problem with our team is that we have too many guys like that. Fultz, Issac, Carter Jr.
The good news about Issac''s contract is that if he gets re-injured in that same kneed the contract is not guaranteed. We can move on.
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3 minutes ago, Gordon MVP said:Because what people don’t seem to get is that Covid isn’t a disease that ONLY affects you. And that’s the end of the story right there and where personal freedom affects others. This isn’t a type of cancer. What you have you can spread to others. And before you say that vaccinated can spread it like the unvaccinated, that’s only been proven in people with breakthrough infections, which would explain the high viral load and ability to spread it. Other than this, your body would fight it off from the start and decrease your viral load much quicker than an Unvax person.
SARS, Influenza, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Legionaires. There are over a million viruses. We spread them every day. COVID is just bad symptoms and easily transmissible. I've had it twice. Once while vaccinated and I had it much easier time of it the second time...so I'm not denying that COVID is dangerous. But it's misinformation to say the vaccinated can't spread COVID. The un-vax religious people did not get other stuff, why should we care about them not getting COVID if we are vaccinated? The fact is, if you are vaccinated you likely survive COVID. This whole hold the un-vax down and jab them thought process is fear-mongering and for the 2022 elections. People are easy to manipulate when they are afraid and they have someone to blame.Been the truth about Mobs for thousands of years.
Issac has guts for taking a stand. As long as he plays good basketball, I don't care if chooses not to get vaccinated.
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2 hours ago, Gordon MVP said:Yes but with the variants coming out things are changing. Best prophylaxis right now is the vaccine.
If a variant becomes so deadly that your not safe at any age even with the vaccine, us blaming Jon Issac and other non-vax does no good in that situation. At that point you shut down the NBA season...you shut everything down. I think Biden is pitting us to hate the un-vax for 2022 elections.
There are a number of deadly viruses out there that we have vaccines for and not everyone takes those vaccines because of religious or auto-immune reasons. Why is COVID any differant? Those viruses are just as deadly. I am vaccinated for COVID, anthrax and Small pox. Most of the population does not have the anthrax or Small pox vaccine. If there were an outbreak of those two deadlier viruses than I wouldn't blame an unvax small pox person if they got me sick with a variant.
You get a vaccine to protect you! There will not be 100% getting the vaccine. There never was before and it won't happen with the Covid vaccine, we just need to accept it and move on. The saber rattling is to divide, scare and get you to the polls in 2022. I support getting the vaccine, but I also support anyone's choice not to get it. Issac is still the best player on this team! If he plays well I don't care if he sits out a few games because of a religious belief. If he starts to suck or gets injured we move on.
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12 hours ago, O_SteveO said:He’s putting them at a greater risk than if he were vaccinated. That’s how vaccines work
? I think people have drunk the Biden koolaid on vaccines. The man is 80 year rambling moron who is a career liar...I don't trust him or Trump when it comes to telling truth. We will never had heard immunity because this thing mutates like the flu which kills thousands of people every year.
Even if you get the vaccine you can still spread COVID. The vaccinated walking around without masks is what around fourth of July is what really caused the last outbreak. They just want to use this VAX vs UN-VAX thing for 2022 elections. Even if you get the vaccine you can die of COVID. I think it's a non-issue. Issac will just have to get tested more frequently.
The American politician divides and blames so you get angry and vote for them in 2022. The plandemic is over, we have a vaccine...you get boosters if you feel unsafe and you move on. Un-Vax will be left unprotected if they don't get vaccines. Just like you are unprotected from flu if you don't get flu vaccine.
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2022 NBA Draft Thread
in Orlando Magic Forum
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I disagree with their assessment on Jabari not being able to create space and make 3's. He shot 42% and we've seen plenty of video of him making contested 3's. I like Shaedon as a potential 2nd lotto pick if were to get one. But I'm all in on Jabari #1.