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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-sp-orlando-magic-tanking-0223-story.html Oh.

3 way trade with Indy and Bos maybe? I just messed around with it a bit but didn't come up with anything that worked.

I don't really think they'd want Vuc when they have Turner

Haha okay gotcha. I figured it was a play on HWSNBN. Thanks for the clarification, it was driving me crazy. Edit- just now seeing that it changed his name to that in my question haha

Sorry to be this guy, but what does HWNSNBU stand for? I know y'all are referring to HWNSNBU, but I don't get the acronym.

I'll try to clear this up- You said Henny can't build around a dominant player. He asked what proof you have to say that (since Henny has never had a dominant player on his roster- excluding Dwight, as trading him was Henny's first order of business). Henny's track record doesn't lead one to be overly optimistic about building around a star, but it would definitely be a different situation than he's had for his tenure here. I'd love to have the opportunity to see what he can do to build around a star (because that means we'd have a star!), but I in no way would want the first star Henny deals with building around to be one of the most unstable stars in recent memory.

Seems like a guy we should have done everything in our power to get! Serge didn't exactly line up with the rest of our guys and it caused problems throughout the locker room that effected our performance. Multiply that crap x100 and you have the potential of what Cousins would have caused. Again, I'm extremely happy he's not our problem to deal with.

We should pick up Matt Barnes and have him spar with our guys after practices to toughen them up a bit. Maybe knock some sense into Frank, too.

That's an opinion. Everything other than statistics that are posted on here are opinions. Assuming your opinion above is correct- it's my opinion that we don't have a competent GM that would be up to the task of building a team and environment in the next year that would be attractive to Cousins.

There is no way he would have resigned with us. We would have dumped valuable assets for a year and change of drama and friction. He is a knucklehead and is tired of losing. Bad mix of characteristics for someone coming into our organization right now. Whether we whiffed or passed altogether, I'm glad we didn't trade for him.

Maybe there was an unreported "IOU" stipulation in the Tobias trade? Henny gets to make another lopsided trade in our favor this time (all-star protected, perhaps)

That trade is a no brainer if it's a real option. It'd be one of Henny's only wins. I want no part of trading Mario to Det though. Even just thinking about it, I have this sick feeling that Stan would be perfect for him and turn him into yet another Magic killer for years. That would be too much to bare. God this team has made me so negative.

It would be so fitting for us to get a top 3/4 pick, finally get our guy, then have him get hurt like that.

5 Anthony Davis's

He's long and athletic. Shoots well from 3 (up to 39% and has been steadily increasing over his 3 years). Rebounds well. He'd definitely be a project due to his weight, but he's got the size, athleticism and shooting touch to be an interesting piece in a few years. Full disclosure- I'm a Gator fan.

With our mid-20s pick we should take a look at.....are you guys ready for this........Devon Robinson!! He'll need to put on some serious weight, but I think he could be Otto Porter-ish.

Yeah, that's why I said "for now" as in the roster as it sits at this moment. More moves will likely be made.

I think, for now, Ross starts at the 3 with Mario backing him up and Green backs up AG at the 4.

Thanks for the help! You should post in the other topics to make sure everyone knows this trade happened and find out what they think. Go Magic!

I get that. But I also think we're setting ourselves up to be able to have our cake and eat it too (keep AG and one of those top 3 PGs in the draft). I think we should hold onto Vuc (and AG) until before the draft and take a look at things then, unless someone blows us away before then, which I don't think is likely.

Where are you seeing this? Link?

That's not nearly enough to get that pick. I think we'd have to give them AG Vuc and our pick to get that Brooklyn pick.

If we draft one of the top PGs, he could work as our starting C. We won't necessarily need him to provide much scoring when we have a scoring threat at PG who can run the P&R with him. Adding another shooter in Ross and hopefully continued development from Mario and I think we'd have enough offense to mitigate Biz's inability to score. Smith/Payton Fournier/Mario Ross/Mario AG/someone from the Vuc trade/FA vet Biz/Zim

Right, he's decent at identifying potential talent, which he did with the Vuc/Fournier deals. But he's a horrible negotiator and will never be able to get the better of another GM when it comes to established talent/picks.

My hope is that we continue to shop him and see if we can get a deal we feel good about. We have much more leverage with Vuc in trade talks than we did with Ibaka (obviously). If we get an offer before the deadline that we can't say no to, pull the trigger. If not, hold onto him and see how he looks the rest of the season not that his roll will go back to where it was pre-Ibaka. Then, wait until the draft and see what teams will offer at that point. I'm kind of switching my stance on Vuc, from WE HAVE TO CASH OUT ON HIM NOW a few weeks ago, to now "make a move if the right one comes along. If not, hold onto him and keep getting production on a good contract". We absolutely must win the trade if Vuc is dealt. I'm tired of losing trades.