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It really is mind boggling that there are fans who don't understand this. Almost all of the success this franchise has enjoyed has been directly due to hitting it big in the lotto. We'd all love to live in a world where we can root for wins every night, even in losing seasons, but it simply isn't in the best interest of our long term success to win meaningless games when our best chance of contending is through drafting well. Higher draft picks lead to a better chance of drafting good players. Having good players leads to more trade opportunities due to having more assets. Having good players also (ideally) leads to success on the court. Success on the court leads to a better chance of landing big FAs. The mindset of completely disregarding the importance of drafting as high as possible makes absolutely no sense. I just think some people like to be contrarian.

It's just semantics to call losing last nights game tanking or just being an outright loss. The fact is that winning that meaningless game in a lost season gave us a worse chance to pick the highest prospects on our board. You cannot deny that. You might not care about it but you can't deny it. That being said, to act like that meaningless win and avoiding "tanking" in that one instance has significance in the overall context of building a winning team, but TANGIBLY INCREASING OUR CHANCES TO HAVE A HIGHER PICK IN THE DRAFT doesn't matter at all is not only contradictory, but it's some of the worst reasoning I've seen on here. For that reason, you are "that guy".

I was assuming that was sarcasm, but his response to my last post made it clear that this is how he really thinks. Yikes.

This guy. If I offered to buy you 50 lotto tickets for the next PowerBall, I'm guessing you'd opt for just one ticket instead on the principle of saving some paper.

I hate being a Magic fan.

TBH, this forum kind of sucks without him.

I don't think anyone said that.

This.

True. My argument is for D-Rob. But, who knows, maybe he ends up being worthy of that 2nd 1st.

Y'all see my boy D-Rob yesterday? I brought him up a few weeks ago asking what everyone thought about taking him with the late 1st. Idk if I'd take him there, unless his workouts exceed expectations, but maybe with our first 2nd rounder? His athleticism and length jump off the screen whenever you watch him. 24 on 10/17 with 7 boards, 2 nasty blocks at the rim, and only 1 TO on a big stage. Go Gata.

I would like to see him put up those numbers when the games matter. I think it's concerning that him hitting his best stretch of the season coincides with us tanking. I know we haven't been tanking for the past 24 games, but we were heading in that direction. Ibaka was clearly a huge problem for us this season, so I don't want to discredit that. But Payton has done nothing but continue to reestablish the fact that he's a streaky, inconsistent PG that most likely isn't the guy we need to lead us into the playoffs.

If we're in the 6-7 range, I wonder if Vuc or Evan would be enough to move up a few spots (and swapping lotto picks). Obviously it depends on the team we'd be negotiating with and what their needs are. But I think we need to do whatever we have to do to get into that top tier.

Do you have a link(s) to anything about that? Seems like it'd be interesting.

You do realize that TOR would have had absolutely no reason to make that trade right? They needed a PF not another SG.

Starters tonight- EP/Fournier/Ross/AG/Vuc Glad to see AG back at the 4.

Finally the blockbuster we've all been waiting on!

That he won't be moved today. No way we get an offer anywhere close to good enough to move him now. He's value will still be high after the season, and could possibly even go up now that he's not going to be splitting post touches with Ibaka. We need to hope for him to close the season out strong and see what the market looks like pre-draft.

Hooooold Henny, hooooold! No stupid trades! We're so close! We can cut Green and then ride out this poop-wave for another couple months then hopefully cash in at the draft with a good pick and see what Vuc's value looks like at that point.

I personally found him to be absolutely obnoxious. It was all stupid nonsense and inside jokes with that guy and he was the most common poster. Glad he's not on here anymore. But just moving to Tennessee seems like a weird reason to stop posting. Was he not really a Magic fan and only posted here because he lived in the area? Now he's bugging Grizz fans? haha

Furthermore, what happened to that Jareth dude? And what was his deal? I've been on an off this board for years and he was one of the reasons for most of that "off" time.

From a tanking and entertainment standpoint, I'd love to see an EP/Fournier/Ross/Mario/AG lineup

Frank will do anything to keep minutes at PF away from AG.

Well, I could see exactly that happening- that's what I'm worried about. If they are really not interested in tanking, then I could see then making a shortsighted trade, then coming out and potentially playing better now that we have Ibaka out of the locker room. Hopefully the awfulness of this team will continue to shine through no matter what Vogel and Hennigan want and we continue to lose. The only consolation of ANOTHER awful year is to get as high of a pick as possible.

I understand. But given the past remarks by him and Henny, this just reconfirms that they might really still be fighting for a playoff spot. We'll finish 10th in the conference and kill our draft spot.