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quote: Originally posted by cunningstunt:i think people read a little too much espn, whatever, last thing we need is for people to understand team ball, let them think that stopping 2 guys will defeat the whole squad. LOL at ESPN, the TMZ of sports. Look what happened to the Cavs when they went to the finals it was all Lebron with no one contributing and look how it played out. The Magic have about 5 players who can make an impact on a game, same with the Cavs, Lakers, and Magic. In the end its gonna be the defensive side of the game that lets teams win

quote: Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes: quote: Originally posted by nbafan4life12:Your teams success is going to depend all on Carter. We know how well he has performed in playoffs lol but I still think by the 2nd round he wont be called Wince Harder or a playoff choke lol Maybe during the Finals, but it never depended on Hedo and it won't depend on Carter now. Yeah but every team needs a closer and for the Magic it would probably be between Carter or Nelson. Howard has shown that he can completely dominate a game on the defensive side of the ball and his offense is getting better and better everytime I see him play, but Vince is key IMO. The difference between him and Hedo is Hedo came off picks looking for a jumper, Carter can come off a pick for a jumper or to attack the basket.

quote: Originally posted by TampaTony: quote: Originally posted by nbafan4life12: quote: Originally posted by TampaTony: quote: Originally posted by LeBroncious: quote: Originally posted by ThisIsTheYear:I can't imagine a more miserable feeling than having Jamario Moon contribute against your team. Try having Rafer Alston score 26 points in game 4 of the ECF. Moon had a surprising stroke in last nights game but it's hard to feel that bad for the Bulls. They had 50+ points in the paint, 13 offensive rebounds, 20 more shots than the Cavs and only 4 TO's. To think they lost by 10, with all that in their favor, is a testament to how superior Cleveland is (or maybe how bad the Bulls are). or testament to how bad cleveland's interior defense is maybe? how do you give up that much in the paint to a very small bulls team? I hope that this is just this series or just the bulls being that good for the cavs sake... if you give up that much to the magic you loose... easily... Its the Shaq effect he only played 15 minutes in the game because he had foul trouble, Cavs have the best interior defense in the paint when Shaq is on the floor. And if you were to tell me that a team had 13 offensive rebounds and 20 more shots then there opponent and they lost I would say the other team was playing great defense. Anything the Cavs do go or bad Im not gonna count for them in this series, they still have to get everyone incorporated and fix some things up mainly turnovers and transition D. 50+ points in the paint= great defense? lol... ok... and the cavs won because you have lebron which is sad because you should be winning these games easily... as much as you guys want to make it out like the bulls are good, they're not... they have Rose and that's it. Noah is a spark plug but he should be getting dominated by shaq but shaq is out of shape even with loosing 20 lbs. I can't wait to see how our pick and roll destroys him... I forgot all defense is played in the paint, did you not read the part about Shaq? Him not in the game is the reason why they scored in the paint. Shaq played 15 minutes Noah played 41 minutes and Shaq is clearly not in game shape. He looks real good early in the games and looks tired late and thats directly linked to not being able to touch a ball for 6 weeks. Once he gets his wind back he will be good, we dont need him for the entire game only 25-30 minutes. As for Lebron how is it sad? He scored 40 on 23 shots thats efficient it would have been a different story if he was going one on 5 which he didnt or took 25-30 shots but he didnt. The Cavs helped set him to play one on one instead of him dribbling at the top of the key and jacking up a jumper. And he did get help from Shaq who had 8 pts and 7 rebs in 15 minutes, 14 pts from Jamison, 12 pts and 6 assists from Mo(no turnovers) and the bench produced.

Your teams success is going to depend all on Carter. We know how well he has performed in playoffs lol but I still think by the 2nd round he wont be called Wince Harder or a playoff choke lol

quote: Originally posted by TampaTony: quote: Originally posted by LeBroncious: quote: Originally posted by ThisIsTheYear:I can't imagine a more miserable feeling than having Jamario Moon contribute against your team. Try having Rafer Alston score 26 points in game 4 of the ECF. Moon had a surprising stroke in last nights game but it's hard to feel that bad for the Bulls. They had 50+ points in the paint, 13 offensive rebounds, 20 more shots than the Cavs and only 4 TO's. To think they lost by 10, with all that in their favor, is a testament to how superior Cleveland is (or maybe how bad the Bulls are). or testament to how bad cleveland's interior defense is maybe? how do you give up that much in the paint to a very small bulls team? I hope that this is just this series or just the bulls being that good for the cavs sake... if you give up that much to the magic you loose... easily... Its the Shaq effect he only played 15 minutes in the game because he had foul trouble, Cavs have the best interior defense in the paint when Shaq is on the floor. And if you were to tell me that a team had 13 offensive rebounds and 20 more shots then there opponent and they lost I would say the other team was playing great defense. Anything the Cavs do go or bad Im not gonna count for them in this series, they still have to get everyone incorporated and fix some things up mainly turnovers and transition D.

quote: Originally posted by ThuglifeJ:That was a goaltend. Oh my god. And Rose is insane. Even without a single foul called tonight You would know about goaltends wouldnt you?

quote: Originally posted by i HATE Rich DeVos: quote: Originally posted by Cavs4life23: quote: Originally posted by i HATE Rich DeVos:Cavs "fans" are the STDs of the magic message board Really???? that's why almost every thread on these boards is about the Cavs or Lebron started by magic fans.... what does that have to do with what I said? Believe it or not the cavs and the queen effect the magic just like all the moves the cavs made this year were effected by the cavs inability to shut the magic down. I think I'll call you crabs Your right about the Magic part but they also need size and scoring for for the Lakers and Celtics.

quote: Originally posted by ThuglifeJ:EVEN the Announcer screamed foul on that one. oh and nice flop Varajoa Cavs are a joke of a team sometimes. Theyre good, but flopping and complaining needs to go Flop? Noah got him with the elbow. Yeah complaining from other teams need to go too

quote: Originally posted by MagicFromHarlem:are these lebron block analysis necessary???...so stupid.. Its ESPN what do you expect?

quote: Originally posted by elephant27:I think on this "Art of the Block" thing, they should show Courtney Lee dunking on him last year. lol Or Lebron packing Dwight lol

Just want to say good luck to you guys and the Magic. But come on now, yeah Lebron will get the benefit of the call but the Cavs as a team are playing physical and attacking the basket while the Bulls are shooting jumpers. Cant get foul calls if your settling for jumpers

Lebrick take your Magic glasses off, the refs were on the Magic side its not that hard to see.

Thanks for calling me an idiot lol but Howard was getting away with alot of elbows today when those same elbows that would get Shaq in foul trouble. The calls IMO affected the Cavs more then the Magic

Didnt see it that way, the refs also let the Magic get away with a couple of calls too

Wow is the season even over yet lol

quote: Originally posted by LeBrickJames: quote: Hacking? Yeah he did hack when Howard had an easy dunk but the refs blew that blocking foul when Jamison was cleary set, that gave him his fifth foul and that jump ball that they called for West and JJ? Yeah Jamison did score but he still looked lost at times on both ends on the floor. I love when Cavs fans complain about bad calls. They get the favor of the referees so much, it's quite rich when they get a taste of it themselves. Thing is Im not a Cavs fan. Today it was obvious who was getting the favor of the fouls and that was the Magic. It isnt an excuse because the Cavs could of played better but the refs calls late in the game affected their rotation. Another note if Shaq threw those same elbows that Howard threw today Shaq would have been out by the start of the 4th.

quote: Originally posted by nbafan4life12: quote: Originally posted by LeBrickJames: quote: Originally posted by nbafan4life12:No one is blaming the refs but like I said their was questionable calls on both sides of the ball. Cavs backcourt didnt do anything but they had a lead and the game was close. I love how you guys are getting happy after this win. When you guys lose you had excuses, I guess the Cavs do too, having to incorporate a new player on their team. Incorporating? The guy scored 17 points including giving you the lead in the 3rd quarter. Id pretty much say he knows his role. H is problem was FOULS. He was playing hack-a-howard and got busted for it; it was NOT about knowing is role. Get it straight. is problem was FOULS. He was playing hack-a-howard and got busted for it; it was NOT about knowing is role. Get it straight. Now go back to crying. Hacking? Yeah he did hack when Howard had an easy dunk but the refs blew that blocking foul when Jamison was cleary set, that gave him his fifth foul and that jump ball that they called for West and JJ? Yeah Jamison did score but he still looked lost at times on both ends on the floor.

quote: Originally posted by LeBrickJames: quote: Originally posted by nbafan4life12:No one is blaming the refs but like I said their was questionable calls on both sides of the ball. Cavs backcourt didnt do anything but they had a lead and the game was close. I love how you guys are getting happy after this win. When you guys lose you had excuses, I guess the Cavs do too, having to incorporate a new player on their team. Incorporating? The guy scored 17 points including giving you the lead in the 3rd quarter. Id pretty much say he knows his role. H is problem was FOULS. He was playing hack-a-howard and got busted for it; it was NOT about knowing is role. Get it straight. is problem was FOULS. He was playing hack-a-howard and got busted for it; it was NOT about knowing is role. Get it straight. Now go back to crying.

quote: Originally posted by Kramer: quote: Originally posted by nbafan4life12:No one is blaming the refs but like I said their was questionable calls on both sides of the ball. Cavs backcourt didnt do anything but they had a lead and the game was close. I love how you guys are getting happy after this win. When you guys lose you had excuses, I guess the Cavs do too, having to incorporate a new player on their team. And Mo' Williams is getting back into the swing of things. Excuses aren't a negative thing; their just reality. This game doesn't say very much except that both teams will be very confident when they face in the postseason and it should be a long, competitive series. Exactly. One thing for sure Jamison should be starting. Its not like all these games they have played have been blowouts, and both teams are still adjusting to each other, didnt you guys add like 6-7 new players? Its gonna take both teams time to adjust.

No one is blaming the refs but like I said their was questionable calls on both sides of the ball. Cavs backcourt didnt do anything but they had a lead and the game was close. I love how you guys are getting happy after this win. When you guys lose you had excuses, I guess the Cavs do too, having to incorporate a new player on their team.

quote: Originally posted by LeBrickJames: quote: Originally posted by livebythe3:cavs fans are already blaming this game on the refs on their forums What? The refs kept the cavs in this game. So many phantom calls for Lebron it was ridiculous. They have a right to. Howard got away with countless elbows, they called a jump ball when Delonte got the shot up, and they called a block when Jamison was in position for a charge come on now lol. Thing is despite the bad reffering the Cavs were still in the game.

What a game by both teams tonight. Magic won it tonight but man were the refs making questionable calls on both sides of the ball. Cavs still trying to learn better rotations for their team and almost came out with a victory. Only lost by 6, shot 3-18 from 3 and missed key free throws.

Dwight sure does have class after taking someone elses nickname. One also is tougher while the other is still mentally weak. Howard had class when he said Shaq has been in the league for 60 years during the rookie all star game? Shaq had every right to say what he said. The media shouldnt say its Shaq vs Howard if Howard needs a double team to defend Shaq. Shaq is probably one of the classiest players in the NBA. He took Hickson and Delonte under his wing and mentors them. Why would Shaq mentor someone on a different team? And doesnt Howard have Ewing to help mentor him? It shows the disrespect Howard has if he already has a mentor but wants to have another one. I wonder how Ewing feels about that situation

Shaq at 24 was better than Howard at 24. Howards defense IMO gets slightly overrated. He is a better weak side defender than he is a one on one defender where it was the opposite when Shaq was in his prime. And yes Howard is the better shot blocker but how many times does he get called for goal tending a game? He tries to block every shot that goes up(which isnt that bad lol). Seriously if you had a choice between a 24 year old Shaq or a 24 year old Howard to start a team you would take Howard? Could you answer that with a straight face lol? We saw what Howard did against the Lakers in the Finals and it wasnt pretty lol. If that was a 24 year old Shaq against that Lakers frontline the series would have been different

quote: Originally posted by MagicAtic: quote: Originally posted by T REX: Shaq was only here for a few years. He was just coming into his own. The guy is an all-time top five center. In his prime he was unstoppable. Dwight is so far behind Shaq at the same point in their careers its not even funny. Dwight has a lot of work to do offensively. Defensively he is benefitting from the change in defense rules. My god if some of the old centers had the rules of today? Unreal. A lot of youngins on here. Dwight has already accomplished more in his career than Shaq by the age of 24. Shaq got swept in the Finals Howard did not. All-NBA 1st team Shaq: 0 Howard: 2 Shaq DPOY: 0 Howard: 1 Def 1 team Shaq: 0 Howard: 1 Franshise stat leaders Shaq: 0 categories Howard: 5 categories Rebound title: Shaq: 0 Howard: 2 Block title Shaq: 0 Howard: 1 Twinkies Shaq: 82,345 Howard: Too many calories Scoring title: Shaq: 1 (he better win one at 20 FGA) Howard: 0 # of SUPERSTAR players they have played with Shaq: 2 Howard: 0 Seems like Howard has accomplished more. But I forget that everything is based only on scoring. I forgot Dwight is playing against the same caliber of Centers that Shaq had to do when he was playing with the Magic.