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Yes I agree. Hopefully all of Watson's and greens as they are horrible.

Yeah Evan is reluctant to pass except Vuc his bud. But with gay he would have the ball less. Gay averages more assists and rebounds and points than evan and Gordon could move to pf then maybe ag will show something good.

Gay has gotten better at assists and t/o to assist ratio. I would not call him a black hole. I would send them green and Vuc. No problem. Can we offer more money at end of year for gay if get him this season?

You all think Payton is a bad staring pg wait till you see smart.

No Grover Cleveland haha

My choice for sf Hood Middleton Arthur Covington Mcdaniels Don't know if they are possible but I am sick of Green and Gordon at that position.

What about Wesley Johnson?

Man you guys are hard on ep. I think he is a starter and a future all star but I see his faults too. His shot is improving. He falls asleep some times as do ALL 22 yr olds trust me I have 2 boys in the age range. But I think all you guys see are his faults.

Tony Parker says hello.

Not a point guard. And what in god's name makes you think this. Does a chimpanzee run Portland?

Payton is not decent and he is the reason players have not developed. Got it. Your opinions are now dead to me.

I knew that would get you guys going. Haha

Find another backup pg who has put up the 20 pts 5+ reb 6+ assists games multiple times. He is starter quality. And he is one tough sob to put up with the crap his coaches have put him through.

Mario has had the shortest leash I have ever seen. It has messed him up big time. And it may be the best thing for him is to be traded and I hate to say that. Skiles and Vogel have shown very little faith in younger players and that is f'ed up for our players. Here is a hint your not going to win a chip with DJ cj rudez green ilyasova and any other scrub journeyman you can find and play.

Rudez as our backup pf? I think I just threw up in my mouth little bit.

Why would Payton be held out the last 3+ minutes it should of been just a quick blow. Vogel (shakes head)

Payton taking it to the hole strong. Loving it.

Feels like 4 or 5 decades lol.

My team da bears and Cutler. Hopefully gone after this year I pray.

You've got to give too get. Who do you give up on and move and how much value do they have is the question.

Can you give examples of 7 or 8 seeds getting that? It's a nice idea not sure if that's reality. And as of right now our vets with exception of ibaka, are not leading us to even an 8 seed.

Not when the youth of your team is riding the pine they aren't learning much. And 8 seeds are not drawing big free agents.

Tank as u call it. Or **** or get off the pot. This trying to squeak into the playoffs with journeyman players is bs pure and simple. Playing Gordon Mario Payton Evan ibaka biz the bulk of the minutes is what I would suggest. Tank by default or just maybe they develop some continuity and win. At least you will find out who you want to keep. Everyone else would be on the trading block unless u decide that one or more of the young players is not going to get it done. Then they can be packaged in a deal. Vuch would be shopped around first as he probably has the most value. That's my two cents.

I never said Payton was a leader. Does not have the personality for it. Evan is not a leader either. Vogel has put the ball in his hands way too much and he is a bad facilitator. Other players have to see this, they are not blind. Most agree that Evan is in the wrong role. The sooner that role ends the better.

Payton is probably sick of backing up DJ who has been sucking. Imo there is some serious chemistry issues on this team. Not sure where it's coming from. But I don't think the blend is right. A leader is needed and Evan ain't it.