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quote: Originally posted by ma:I am not a Hedo fanatic, I just like the guy, and I think he does not deserve all this extreme criticism. When a friend of yours do something not as good, do you stop calling/talking to him and trade to another friend? So you're Hedo's BFF? That's poor analogy. This is basketball my friend, and not just some neighborhood basketball. It's a business. Exploring trade possibilities regarding Turkoglu at this crucial time is not a knock on his abilities and nothing personal. It's just the right thing to do because whatever management does could decide whether we get the championship or not.

Hedo's bread and butter play. He made it that time but I swear, free throws shot by Dwight blind-folded will have a better percentage of going in than those crazy drives. Feels good when they go in though, and likely to be included in the top "plays" of the week.

Bogans is good for tiring out the Kobes and Wades of the league the first three quarters of the game. They'd be too happy exploiting the match up until they finally get burned out in the fourth quarter. JJ and Bogans are basically playing for 3rd string minutes, 3rd stringers aren't put against starters, ergo, not much defense is needed in that regard. All of this is of course, assuming that Pietrus is healthy. Forgot about that. While he's out though, I think it should be Lee then JJ/Bogans. It's a no-brainer.

quote: Originally posted by ma:On another note, here are the salaries of some players who I think do not contribute as much and complete as Hedo right now (assists, ball handling, setting up offense, scoring, defense, etc.): Simmons, Nets, SF - $10.6M Harrington, NYK, PF, $9.2M Dalembert, PHI, C, $11.2M Jermain Oneal, RAPTORS,C, $21.3M Deng, CHI, SF, $9.4M Hughes, CHI, SF, $12.8M Nocioni, CHI, SF, $8M Sczerbiak, CLE, SG, $13.8M Wallace, CLE, PF, $14.5M Dunleavy, IND, SF, $9M Diaw, CHA, PF , $9M Blount, MIA, C, $8.5M Marion, MIA, SF, $17.8M (more than Wade) Odom, LAL, PF, $14.1M Thomas, SAC, PF, $8.5M Dampier, DAL, C, $11.5M Howard, DAL, SF, $9.9M McGRADY, HOU, SG, $20.3M Stojakovic, NO, SF, $12.5M Miller, WOLVES, SG, $9M LaFrentz, BLAZERS, C, $12.7M Kirilenko, JAZZ, SF, $15.1M Here are some comparable players: Iguodala,PHI, SG $11.3M Jamison, WASH, PF, $9.9M Ginobili, SAS, SG, $9.9M Even Darko is making $7M in Memphis, the highest paid guy there! 6pts, 5 reb, 1blocks, 20min. a game!! My point is, compared to market value, we have Hedo for a steal now, and even $10M would be a good salary for his contributions. I'm too lazy to check each and everyone on that list, but most of them didn't just sign minty fresh contracts, did they? They were assured that much at a time in the past when their individual market values were WAY higher. Or as Marc said, they're just lucky to have gotten such terrible contracts. As for the big guys, and don't tell me just because Hedo's 6'10" that he's classified as a big guy, it's common knowledge that teams overpay for big guys since there's a lot less talented big guys than smaller guys.

quote: Originally posted by serdar:solution is easy : dont play with hedo just bench him for 3 games against some good teams and wait for the result..if the team is better without him just trade him or let him away say him good luck and goodbye... i say again with jameer nelson's leading this team cant go anywhere...he is not a w-factor...this team nees a superstar pg first..when u get him trade hedo if you dont get a super pg then you got to keep hedo..coz he is the only leading capable person who makes good defence and good passing around even not good shooting sometimes...if you can trade him against d-williams or c paul, then it ll be fine...just do it..when m pietrus comes back he and lewis can fill many gaps and team can run with a good pg then...the weakest chain is j nelson..trade him first... Did you just compare Turk to Deron and CP3? Turk's our best trading piece, but he's not that valuable.

Hedo's cool. I appreciate the intangibles that he brings to the table. But I don't think he's worth $10m a year from what he's shown so far this season. Okay, to be fair to him, last year was the ONLY year where I'd think he's worth $10m. Right now, playing on a possible contract year, he's just not bringing home the bacon. That's where the argument stems from. From the numerous things that might not end well for the Magic regarding Turkoglu after this season, should we entertain the many scenarios of moving him? It's not a knock on Hedo's ability, but he's our best trading piece right now. What management decides to do with Hedo could either make or break the team's championship chances so it is not a thing to be taken lightly.

quote: Originally posted by PEC: quote: Originally posted by magic berto: quote: Originally posted by ma:Raptors could not put as much performance if Dwight was there to stop numerous uncontested dunks and layups. So it's all Dwight's fault that the Raptors got open dunks and layups? This is a five-man game, no matter what Turk tells you. Everybody needs to defend somebody, not just watch Dwight in awe. Quoting a post out of context can lead to believing something else. Reading the entire post answers many questions like what the person had in mind with their post I read his entire post, thank you very much. What exactly did I take out of context?

quote: Originally posted by ma:Raptors could not put as much performance if Dwight was there to stop numerous uncontested dunks and layups. So it's all Dwight's fault that the Raptors got open dunks and layups? This is a five-man game, no matter what Turk tells you. Everybody needs to defend somebody, not just watch Dwight in awe.

quote: Originally posted by ankara:After toronto game, you have decided to trade him. After washington game, you changed your mind. Care to point out people who changed their minds about Hedo after the Washington game? quote: Originally posted by ankara:Nelson is not new guy, more than 5 years now. He is not consistent, making play for this team. Without Hedo, orlando's offence will not run like now. It is clear. Nelson as in Jameer? He's been a Magic for more than 5 years? I'm lost, he and Dwight entered the league the same year. At most, he is in his 5th year, no where beyond that.

We've played a good chunk of our games so far like we didn't have Hedo at all. Well, the Hedo of old plus a lot more chucking, yes. More defensive attention this year? Okay, if that's the case, why doesn't he just PASS to an open guy instead of going against 1,2,3, and sometimes even 4 defenders and going for his abysmal high off-the-glass "lay ups"? Terrible shot selection is a waste of possession and is usually almost as bad as a TO. If only Hedo would take a step back and play a bit smarter again, then all will be well and good. Still wouldn't address our need for a better front court rotation though.

quote: Originally posted by ozgurmoses:I rebember that most of the people talk about him as a great player last year. Yet, two really really awful nights let us talk question his ability to shot, confidence and and so forth. We lost to consequtive game as he played so bad. However, we have made a franchise best start with his precious contribution. His last year's performance led people more focus on him not RL. I think that we should keep him with a reasonable rise in his salary. Two really, really bad nights and about a dozen really bad nights.

Stock Plummet?

This definitely puts the NEW in news. Never heard about Dwight being buddies with Bosh and the outlandish probability of the latter going to the Magic come 2010. Never.

JJ sucks. Bogans would've shut down everybody and nobody would've scored on him. Given the chance, Bogans would've knocked down that last shot, he has ice water in his veins. SVG is so stupid for designing a play for that Dukie, Kentucky boys are where it's at.

Cavs are underrated a bit here while the Celtics are overrated a bit (by almost everyone, I guess). Them lot needed 7 games to dispatch the Hawks in the first round and another 7 games with a couple of near losses to dispatch the "over-hyped" Cavs to get to the ECF. I'd be more wary of facing Lebron's will than ole McGrumpy Garnett.

Rashard talks funny lol Almost can't understand half of what he says but he's definitely a lovable guy.

After that last Turk drive, I can't see how anyone can argue that Turk's layups aren't lower percentage shots than his jumpers. He just makes me cringe every time he drives. He should take it to the hole strong, kind of like when he took it to Tayshaun in the playoffs.

Good thing nobody on the Heat outside of Wade are hitting their shots. Otherwise, we'd be down by double digits easy. Wade's cooled down too, that just helps us all the more.

quote: Originally posted by Kberto: quote: Originally posted by magic berto:Turk's giving Bogans a run for his money as worst player of the game. Still isn't the "fourth" quarter though. You gotta give Turk credit, that's a very difficult thing too do. I think Hedo's pulling away. His boards and dimes are going along nicely. His missed three pointer turned into a Dwight dunk too...

Turk's giving Bogans a run for his money as worst player of the game. Still isn't the "fourth" quarter though.

Mike Moreau called it, 27-7. He has the freakin DeLorean. We win this one.

quote: Originally posted by Dirtdan:Interesting read, but only one small problem. The Magic are 25-7, not 27-7. Coach Moreau = Doc Emmett Brown

quote: Originally posted by bravlady:2. Rasheed was into Dwight's head. I watched Rasheed's constant jawing at Dwight. When they were at the FT line waiting to rebound, Rasheed was giving Dwight lip service and Dwight was listening. Can't imagine they were talking about Marla Maples in the audience. Dwight shouldn't even make eye contact much less listen to him. He always does that. Dwight needs to get some of KG's duchbag powers.

quote: Originally posted by Kramer: quote: Originally posted by magic berto: quote: Originally posted by Kramer:Imagine if Lebron was surrounded by 3 border-line All-Stars http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?playe...~5~5~19~19&te=&cash= Hm makes me realize how much worse the Magic and Cavs would be if they traded their respective superstars. I wonder which would be worse; starting Ben Wallace at Small Forward or Rashard Lewis at center Well, we can start Foyle. lol As great as Dwight is though, I still think Lebron's a tad bit better than him. And that trade's just horrible for them. I just played around with the trade machine. Jameer - Peaches - Lebron - Rashard - Warlock That's just ridiculous. Wouldn't care if Hedo walks at the end of the season.

quote: Originally posted by Kramer:Imagine if Lebron was surrounded by 3 border-line All-Stars http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?playe...~5~5~19~19&te=&cash=